California Illegal Alien At DMV: ‘Nobody’s Passing’ Written Test

Foxrac said:
Deaf people with LD are exempted from strict VR policy (classified as multi-disabilities), but deaf people with LD usually have individualized plan and they get extra support from school. I know many deaf people with LD know how to read and write, but not perfect and there will be always struggling so that why they got extra support from VR.

Also, they get job coach to assisting with job as well.
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If I am deaf with a learning disability, I can still know how to wash dishes at work. Why should I need extra support? I don't know how to read/write doesn't mean I am dumb as long as I know how to do my job and my employer is satisfied with my job performance. Know what I am saying?
 
CrazyPaul said:
If I am deaf with a learning disability, I can still know how to wash dishes. Why should I need extra support? I don't know how to read/write doesn't mean I am dumb as long as I know how to do my job and my employer is satisfied with my job performance. Know what I am saying?
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You are obviously don't get about what I am saying - I'm talking about deaf child who grew up in K-12 and deaf child with LD indeed know how to read and write.

Most employers expect you to do more things than just dishing and any employment with high efficiency won't hire you if you don't have expectation.

McDonald's happily to hire anyone but they suffer from profit loss, but more causal fast food, they won't hire anyone who don't have expectation to meet their efficiency.
 
Foxrac said:
You are obviously don't get about what I am saying - I'm talking about deaf child who grew up in K-12 and deaf child with LD indeed know how to read and write.

Most employers expect you to do more things than just dishing and any employment with high efficiency won't hire you if you don't have expectation.

McDonald's happily to hire anyone but they suffer from profit loss, but more causal fast food, they won't hire anyone who don't have expectation to meet their efficiency.
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Did you go to a deaf school from K-12?
 
CrazyPaul said:
Did you go to a deaf school from K-12?
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Not all of it - just 7th to 11th grade.

I grew up in crappy special education and I didn't know how to read a book that beyond to 2nd grade, even I can't write (just crappy sentences) until I transferred to deaf school so my reading and writing improved in BIG TIME so my reading level is about mix of high school level and college level.

Read and write will getting better if you have right education if you don't have disabilities that impair your learning.
 
Foxrac said:
Not all of it - just 7th to 11th grade.

I grew up in crappy special education and I didn't know how to read a book that beyond to 2nd grade, even I can't write (just crappy sentences) until I transferred to deaf school so my reading and writing improved in BIG TIME so my reading level is about mix of high school level and college level.

Read and write will getting better if you have right education if you don't have disabilities that impair your learning.
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I appreciate your answer. As you said that you attended the deaf school from 7-11th, did you observe other deaf students there? Were all of them smart like you?
 
CrazyPaul said:
I appreciate your answer. As you said that you attended the deaf school from 7-11th, did you observe other deaf students there? Were all of them smart like you?
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Yes, during my time - it is about half and half but our class of 2006 is one of most smartest group, even class of 2007 is more smarter as well.

Today, it is much improving now and there are more smart deaf students now after change in educational strategies and tighten the regulation.

GSD got tighten too and students can graduate with regular diploma like hearing people did.
 
Foxrac said:
Yes, during my time - it is about half and half but our class of 2006 is one of most smartest group, even class of 2007 is more smarter as well.

Today, it is much improving now and there are more smart deaf students now after change in educational strategies and tighten the regulation.

GSD got tighten too and students can graduate with regular diploma like hearing people did.
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Half of those with no LD and half of those with LD?

I grew up in a deaf school (NJSD-formerly MKSD) from K-12 and went home during the weekends. My schoolmates were "part of my family" since we grew up together (5 days per week for at least 13 years). OK, let me get to the point...over half of them who had a LD went to the vocational program to develop their voc skills due to their lack of reading/writing skills as well as math, science, etc. Can you tell me that after they finished the program, they wouldn't get a job because of poor reading/writing skills?

Presently, all deaf students get smart? Unfortunately no. VR counselors should know better.
 
My mom (native in Mexico) used to driving her old Buick sedan with manual transmission when she was very early teenager, drove around the roads without DL until my older sister learn to reading English and terp DMV handbook to my mom. She took an exam, passed it (in around 1960). Now Mexicans or other foreigners can't pass DMV exams. Wtf....
 
CrazyPaul said:
Half of those with no LD and half of those with LD?

I grew up in a deaf school (NJSD-formerly MKSD) from K-12 and went home during the weekends. My schoolmates were "part of my family" since we grew up together (5 days per week for at least 13 years). OK, let me get to the point...over half of them who had a LD went to the vocational program to develop their voc skills due to their lack of reading/writing skills as well as math, science, etc. Can you tell me that after they finished the program, they wouldn't get a job because of poor reading/writing skills?

Presently, all deaf students get smart? Unfortunately no. VR counselors should know better.
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No, some deaf people don't get a good education and some of them are slow with reading and writing due to lack of phonics so it is not LD. LD has strict definition and it is usually diagnose by professionals, especially at rehabilitation center that where you will evaluated for LD, also CAPS at Gallaudet offer LD evaluation.

In Alabama, you are required to take VR evaluation (more of LD evaluation) and they will offer services to support your needs. Most of LD is misdiagnosed or exaggerated - I got diagnosed as LD when I was young child but 2 VR evaluation result shows that I have no LD, but my problem with reading and writing is due to deafness.
 
CrazyPaul said:
Well, their problem is not your problem. You should be glad. :cool2:

Anyway, at my workplace, two deaf guys from Mexico and Morocco are both illiterate and yet they got jobs there through VR (written exam not required). Nobody complained.
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Well .. what about the deaf Americans that are getting turned down for VR support? Is it because illegals are taking the support away from them?
 
Steinhauer said:
Well .. what about the deaf Americans that are getting turned down for VR support? Is it because illegals are taking the support away from them?
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That's exactly happening in California!
 
Steinhauer said:
Well .. what about the deaf Americans that are getting turned down for VR support? Is it because illegals are taking the support away from them?
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As for education, VR helps deaf Americans as well as other disabled students with low or no income. VR supported me for room/board and tuition since I lived on low income (SSI) when I went to NTID. If I lived with rich parents, VR would not support me. I remember some questions VR asked me. If I lived with parents, VR needed to know their incomes.

As for employment placement, I don't see a reason why VR turns them down whether or not they live with parents since they have a disability and need a job.
 
CrazyPaul said:
As for education, VR helps deaf Americans as well as other disabled students with low or no income. VR supported me for room/board and tuition since I lived on low income (SSI) when I went to NTID. If I lived with rich parents, VR would not support me. I remember some questions VR asked me. If I lived with parents, VR needed to know their incomes.

As for employment placement, I don't see a reason why VR turns them down whether or not they live with parents since they have a disability and need a job.
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VR in California will not cover room and broad anymore, but they only cover tuition, books and supplies.
 
Foxrac said:
VR in California will not cover room and broad anymore, but they only cover tuition, books and supplies.
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Oh, I have no idea. You know that I am originally from NJ where I got VR support a long time ago.

I was shocked to learn that VR here helped those two deaf uneducated guys from other countries to get a job at USPS after they became California residents and they didn't have to take a written exam.
 
CrazyPaul said:
Oh, I have no idea. You know that I am originally from NJ where I got VR support a long time ago.

I was shocked to learn that VR here helped those two deaf uneducated guys from other countries to get a job at USPS after they became California residents and they didn't have to take a written exam.
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There is no such as "written exam" and evaluation doesn't have pass or fail, so evaluation helps to get know about your skill.
 
Foxrac said:
There is no such as "written exam" and evaluation doesn't have pass or fail, so evaluation helps to get know about your skill.
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USPS requires applicants to take an exam for entry-level positions. I took it at Boston USPS before I transferred here.

http://postalwork.net/postal_exams.htm

http://www.federaljobs.net/473_postal_exam.htm

They currently take an exam on computers at USPS instead of the paperwork.

Applicants take proctored 473 Postal Exams and other related post office exams at designated testing facilities on computers instead of lengthy written tests that were previously used.
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Foxrac said:
Ok, you confused me about written exam from USPS or VR.
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Oh OK, my other deaf co-workers and I were like "WTF?". We took the exam but those two guys got a postal job without taking an exam. Not fair but USPS hired them through VR.
 
Barbaro said:
It is not always case. My hubby is an engineer, so he has plenty Indian/Pakistan and Middle Eastern friends (they're all engineers and physicists in many different fields). They all speak English very well. Their first language is not English. They are quite educated in graduate/ph.d studies. But some lack practical skills. They can pass car written exams easily and can read signs doesn't mean they're good drivers.

My hubby's friend is in Ph.d engineering program and he needed a car to drive to an airport to other city because he missed a airport shuttle van. Hubby was going to let his friend borrow his car, but he wanted to test his friend's driving skills first. Well, his friend failed a driving test because he didn't bother to check his blind spot before changing the lane. He almost hit a semi-truck and other car. Hubby managed to reach a steering wheel to veer a semi-truck. Semi-truck driver was mad and honked. lol

Hubby had to explain it to him that it was always important to check your blind spot before you change the lane, but you know what his friend said? "That's what the mirrors are for."

My old friend's wife is a Korean, and she thinks she owns all of the roads. She can speak English and read signs, but her attitude... eh.. If you stop at red light and see no other car anywhere, you decide to run a red light anyway. The cop pulled her over and lectured her to not run a red light, but she complained to a cop that there is no other car anywhere and she had to wait for red light to change, and she thought it wasted her time. It wasn't her first time.
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I don't think NYNY meant those of us who are biligunal with English as a second language.

The problem is any foreigners like you mentioned is they don't take the time to learn the driving habits here in the US. It's funny how people do that...
 
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