You miss my point. FJ has repeatly said that oralism is different nowadays. Yes, more kids are responding better to spoken language therapies, BUT if oralism is so different, then how come it is still producing kids who have obviously "deaf" accents/speech? She has also repeatly stated about how WONDERFUL and good this particualar school is, in teaching speech. She has repeatly bashed bi-bi schools for not teaching/offering good speech. All I can say is that privately orally educated kids of today sound pretty much like any dhh kid with speech skills. Including those who attend bi-bi programs! I really do think that if she had investigated some of the better deaf schools out there (and not just assumed that Utah Schools was representive of the whole) she would have had Kat attending FSDB, or MSD, or TSD or many many others.
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You miss my point. FJ has repeatly said that oralism is different nowadays. Yes, more kids are responding better to spoken language therapies, BUT if oralism is so different, then how come it is still producing kids who have obviously "deaf" accents/speech? She has also repeatly stated about how WONDERFUL and good this particualar school is, in teaching speech. She has repeatly bashed bi-bi schools for not teaching/offering good speech. All I can say is that privately orally educated kids of today sound pretty much like any dhh kid with speech skills. Including those who attend bi-bi programs! I really do think that if she had investigated some of the better deaf schools out there (and not just assumed that Utah Schools was representive of the whole) she would have had Kat attending FSDB, or MSD, or TSD or many many others.
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In all fairness, DD, it is not always about the school's speech therapy program itself but how well the children themselves develop speech. Some do, some don't. I don't think ANY person, deaf or not, should be judging another's speech skills regardless of what school. Everyone has different abilities.
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I was one of those success but I would never do such a thing to others.
Then again voice off ASLers are pretty rare, even with DODA families right? We need to find a happy medium. That means we need Schools for the Deaf that offer good quality speech therapies/ spoken language option for those who want it. Webbie, I wonder if that attitude comes from when Clarke/CID/St. Josephs were huge,and were considered the "best" deaf schools......or again the attitude that oral = a better education.
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yes, you could say that. I was more like focused on my education because it was closer to my home - a sort of. ASD is a good school, but I made my choice, not just because of oral. That's different. In my time, no one mentioned which one is better - ASL or oral until some people complained about it a few years ago or maybe last year. I dunno.
I really don't follow up the personal news. My goal was to be successful in a hearing world ...until I found out myself that nothing is perfect anyway.
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We are discussing the topic of this thread, right? "bye bye Clarke"? What I saw FJ address was the fact that the demographic of students has changed due to the Newborn Hearing Screening. Which is factually correct. I'm certain that FJ knows her daughter better than we do. Her daughter is an individual with her own set of unique needs. I don't think any of us are in a position to judge her parental decisions.
Also DD, you may not realize this but it's important for you to know. Bott tried to gently tell you, but I don't know that it registered. I have no issues with you, but it's important that you read this.
It's very condescending and at times frustrating when you're constantly writing, "but what you're missing" or "what you don't get"... Because probably 8 out of 10 times the person actually does get it, just has a different perspective. If you go back and read your posts, you probably have a significant number where you are saying that. Please keep this in mind going forward, and just consider wording things differently.
all, just going back over the thread, a lot of times I think about the topics and ponder in my mind and then return to the thread....so FJ, 
for pointing out more details on the conference breakdown - I did see Monday's Deaf role models topic.and Botti, yes, I see what you mean about early intervention making so much difference in terms of delay prevention because families can actually know that something is going on other than what they were expecting; they can become aware. True.
My original wondering was in regard to not whether the EHDI was inherently useful, but adequate cultural representation and the "medicalizing" of deafness presented when one perspective dominates through heavy referral to CI industry/doctors/therapists etc <upon concern after an infant screening or any kind of childhood testing>.
It concerns me - the issue as part of Clarke closing due to heavy referral to CI's, and the reduction of ASL as an opportunity and avenue to learning....because I know something of what it's like to feel isolated in a mainstream setting and appear as though things are fine but to really flounder and be lost. And to hide it so well. Early Intervention for delays is great but at what cost if single-sided... to lose or de-value Deaf mentors or resources?
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It concerns me - the issue as part of Clarke closing due to heavy referral to CI's, and the reduction of ASL as an opportunity and avenue to learning....because I know something of what it's like to feel isolated in a mainstream setting and appear as though things are fine but to really flounder and be lost. And to hide it so well. Early Intervention for delays is great but at what cost if single-sided... to lose or de-value Deaf mentors or resources?[/QUOTE]
dogmom, yes......I do think there's a place for Clarke as a school, rather then just an early intervention center. It really is surprising b/c St. Joseph's and CID shut their dorm programs, so you would have thought that Clarke would have grown, from the kids who needed private oral programs congregating there. It's the last auditory oral residental school in the US.
It concerns me - the issue as part of Clarke closing due to heavy referral to CI's, and the reduction of ASL as an opportunity and avenue to learning....because I know something of what it's like to feel isolated in a mainstream setting and appear as though things are fine but to really flounder and be lost. And to hide it so well. Early Intervention for delays is great but at what cost if single-sided... to lose or de-value Deaf mentors or resources?[/QUOTE]
dogmom, yes......I do think there's a place for Clarke as a school, rather then just an early intervention center. It really is surprising b/c St. Joseph's and CID shut their dorm programs, so you would have thought that Clarke would have grown, from the kids who needed private oral programs congregating there. It's the last auditory oral residental school in the US.
and yet maybe that's why they're downsizing. I seriously wonder if they wouldn't have had to downsize if parents knew that aided kids or even kids with less then profound losses could attend. I think that's what's making me pound my head against a wall. The best program is a bi-bi program with good oral resources. (I think we all agree there) But, some kids (especially HOH kids) might not cotton to ASL. Clarke could serve those kids. I know that if my parents had known that HOH kids could attend Deaf School, they would have sent me in a FLASH. Of course I prolly would have ended up at READS, the local Deaf Ed collabrative instead. But say if I hadn't cottoned to ASL, they would have sent me to Clarke. I'm a huge fan of ASL but I do think there are some kids who may not really cotton to ASL, but who need a private school. I think too that it also irrirates the eff out of me that the experts seem to assume that inclusion/mainstreaming is THE BEST.
I have a feeling this generation of CI and oral deaf kids will come to Deaf get togehters and hear stories about Clarke/CID/St. Joseph's and say " Gee that sounds GREAT! I wish I had known about that!"
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By the way, I was informed that the Clarke School Reunion will come up this year. It will be very last day of the reunion because Clarke will be shut down permanently. My friend and I were discussing about the price for the reunion, and it is not reasonable price at all. Maybe, they will change the plan rather to go to a restaurant somewhere.
Unfortunately, the alumni wasted their membership over the years because we knew that CS will be disappeared in the air soon. You guys are right about the news. Amen.
(Why we have to pay the reunion fee even the CS will be gone. Are they stealing our money to keep their profit? Probably, yes for sure. I heard that they will cook outside some hamburgers and hot dogs - what a cheap.)
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Who was your teacher? Your teacher was jerk.
Yeah the Alumni Association is going to die soon. I know there's all the " Oh we're just downsizing!" but you really can't have an allum association with an early intervention school. It's impossible. Plus I mean the preschoolers and kindergarteners will not have that connection that older students have. Like yeah, it's good that kids no longer have as severe speech issues that they HAVE to go to Clarke, or Clarke is the only option. But yeah.....I really think that the people in charge of oral deaf education are not really understanding that the mainstream is not exactly some glorious utopia, and that mainstreaming isn't some innovative course any more. Yes, 50 years ago mainstreaming from Clarke or other schools for the deaf was innovative and all. But the thing is......all I can say is that mainstreaming provides job security to jillo.