Bye, Bye Clarke?!?!

Bottesini said:
THat is not true, and I don't miss anything. You try hard to keep that in mind.
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Botte, you're missing that even back in the old days when Clarke was HUGE, (meaning they had a lot of kindergarteners in the dorms who stayed until 8th grade graduation) they still had a lot of kids who transferred in from public schools. Go and look at the old Volta Voices. They had ads in them heavily promoting Middle School at Clarke. I am speaking of THAT population. The reason why Clarke/St. Joseph's/CID had viable dorm programs until recently, is not b/c parents were sending their five year olds to live in the dorms.....but b/c so many kids were struggling in the mainstream and had to transfer. Nowadays, with the lack of private oral dorm programs, kids who are struggling in the mainstream if they are oral will have no choice but to attend a state deaf school.
 
deafdyke said:
Botte, you're missing that even back in the old days when Clarke was HUGE, (meaning they had a lot of kindergarteners in the dorms who stayed until 8th grade graduation) they still had a lot of kids who transferred in from public schools. Go and look at the old Volta Voices. They had ads in them heavily promoting Middle School at Clarke. I am speaking of THAT population. The reason why Clarke/St. Joseph's/CID had viable dorm programs until recently, is not b/c parents were sending their five year olds to live in the dorms.....but b/c so many kids were struggling in the mainstream and had to transfer. Nowadays, with the lack of private oral dorm programs, kids who are struggling in the mainstream if they are oral will have no choice but to attend a state deaf school.
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No I am not. You are being quite disrespectful by constantly harping that I am missing something.

You don't know what you are talking about, but before I really lose my temper, I am just going to step away and not pay anymore attention.
 
Bottesini said:
No I am not. You are being quite disrespectful by constantly harping that I am missing something.

You don't know what you are talking about, but before I really lose my temper, I am just going to step away and not pay anymore attention.
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Botte, I'm just saying that you're looking at this from one perspective. You are right yes.......but the reason that Clarke isn't the same as it was even ten or fifteen years ago, has to do with a lot of reasons. I'm not saying you're wrong....I'm saying that your reason is one among many. Do you see?
 
Lissa said:
deaf schools are so unwanted these days, many deaf schools over here have shut down due to parents sending their kids to HIU units or mainstream schools. I believe deaf kids do need a school just for them like when I went to my school for the deaf. We even had to get an SEN(statement of special educational needs) to get me into the school. Now it is full of kids with special needs, e.g autism, behavioural issues, ,wheelchair bound, etc kids with other needs than deafness. it's just not on!!
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Sounds like the Hampton School for the Deaf in VA. It originally was the black school for the Deaf and it is in Hampton VA. It's actually Virginia School for the Deaf and Blind but most just call it the Hampton school for the Deaf. When people talk about VSDB, they mean the one in Staunton, VA.
 
deafskeptic said:
Sounds like the Hampton School for the Deaf in VA. It originally was the black school for the Deaf and it is in Hampton VA. It's actually Virginia School for the Deaf and Blind but most just call it the Hampton school for the Deaf. When people talk about VSDB, they mean the one in Staunton, VA.
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That's right. They really needed to revamp Hampton into a program for multihandicapped kids (meaning kids with severe mental handicaps) and put the deaf and blind multihandicapped kids there, as well as offer Early intervention/preschool/kindergarten and maybe early grades for "just" dhh/blind/low vision kids.
 
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dd, you are way off base.

these oral schools are still serving huge amounts of kids, but because of newborn hearing screens the demographics of the kids they serve have changed dramatically. My daughter's school serves almost 200 kids through early intervention but as they age that number dramatically decreases. Why? Because the kids catch up and are mainstreamed, NOT because they are transfered to signing schools.

you are very misinformed. I'm sure if you actually spoke to clarke (instead of making garbage up) they would be more than willing to share this information with you.
 
faire_jour said:
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dd, you are way off base.

these oral schools are still serving huge amounts of kids, but because of newborn hearing screens the demographics of the kids they serve have changed dramatically. My daughter's school serves almost 200 kids through early intervention but as they age that number dramatically decreases. Why? Because the kids catch up and are mainstreamed, NOT because they are transfered to signing schools.

you are very misinformed. I'm sure if you actually spoke to clarke (instead of making garbage up) they would be more than willing to share this information with you.
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The mainstreamed kids are miserable buggers. I know because I was mainstreamed. Were you?
 
Beowulf said:
The mainstreamed kids are miserable buggers. I know because I was mainstreamed. Were you?
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So was I. But that doesn't mean it isn't true that that is what is happening to the kids.
 
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Beowulf said:
faire_jour said:
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dd, you are way off base.

these oral schools are still serving huge amounts of kids, but because of newborn hearing screens the demographics of the kids they serve have changed dramatically. My daughter's school serves almost 200 kids through early intervention but as they age that number dramatically decreases. Why? Because the kids catch up and are mainstreamed, NOT because they are transfered to signing schools.

you are very misinformed. I'm sure if you actually spoke to clarke (instead of making garbage up) they would be more than willing to share this information with you.
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The mainstreamed kids are miserable buggers. I know because I was mainstreamed. Were you?
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i didn't say that the mainstreaming was right or wrong, just that it was happening.
 
faire_jour said:
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dd, you are way off base.

these oral schools are still serving huge amounts of kids, but because of newborn hearing screens the demographics of the kids they serve have changed dramatically. My daughter's school serves almost 200 kids through early intervention but as they age that number dramatically decreases. Why? Because the kids catch up and are mainstreamed, NOT because they are transfered to signing schools.

you are very misinformed. I'm sure if you actually spoke to clarke (instead of making garbage up) they would be more than willing to share this information with you.
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You are entirely correct. The newborn hearing screening has had a tremendous impact on children who are DHH and diagnosed early as a result of that. I've always said my son was lucky to be born when he was, because had he been born 1 year earlier he likely wouldn't have been diagnosed until he was older.

Early intervention through the schools, and the family being knowledgeable about their childrens needs early on has had a positive impact on these children.
 
CSign said:
You are entirely correct. The newborn hearing screening has had a tremendous impact on children who are DHH and diagnosed early as a result of that. I've always said my son was lucky to be born when he was, because had he been born 1 year earlier he likely wouldn't have been diagnosed until he was older.

Early intervention through the schools, and the family being knowledgeable about their childrens needs early on has had a positive impact on these children.
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Needs for what? To be as hearing as possible? Oh well.
 
who develops <ed>, promotes and funds the hearing screenings?

I was thinking about that and came across this EHDI Meeting 2012, which led me to this: EHDI Meeting 2012
where are the Deaf people?
<partly rhetorical, part pondering...who gains... and for what end....>
 
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dogmom said:
who develops <ed>, promotes and funds the hearing screenings?

I was thinking about that and came across this EHDI Meeting 2012, which led me to this: EHDI Meeting 2012
where are the Deaf people?
<partly rhetorical, part pondering...who gains... and for what end....>
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there are actually many sessions by Deaf people. Check out the daily breakout schedule.
 
dogmom said:
who develops <ed>, promotes and funds the hearing screenings?

I was thinking about that and came across this EHDI Meeting 2012, which led me to this: EHDI Meeting 2012
where are the Deaf people?
<partly rhetorical, part pondering...who gains... and for what end....>
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Early detection is a great benefit to deaf children as they can begin education with early intervention and not have the huge delays in the past.

It doesn't need to have anything to do with becoming hearing like.

There are many interventions that are helpful that are just for deaf needs.
 
Lissa said:
deaf schools are so unwanted these days, many deaf schools over here have shut down due to parents sending their kids to HIU units or mainstream schools. I believe deaf kids do need a school just for them like when I went to my school for the deaf. We even had to get an SEN(statement of special educational needs) to get me into the school. Now it is full of kids with special needs, e.g autism, behavioural issues, ,wheelchair bound, etc kids with other needs than deafness. it's just not on!!
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All Deaf schools are going to be closed in near future and nobody will care, anyway. They are going to reduce a lot of "abnormal" people, so you can't stop medical technology. There is nothing that we can do.
 
Beowulf said:
Needs for what? To be as hearing as possible? Oh well.
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I think you may be reading more into it than was there. Bott did a good job describing what I was talking about. Early amplification can be a part of it, but my implication was not to "get them as hearing as possible". It was to address their needs, the number one need being an accessible language.

Edit to add: my point was (and I think FJ's point) was that these children are being identified earlier, so their delays aren't as bad as they were in a similar group say 20 years ago. The reason why is because ideally, their needs are being met through various ways.
 
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