Bomb explosion and shooting in Norway

Steinhauer said:
See what I mean?

The spin has already started......:roll:

Hitler was neither a religious zealot or a religious fundamentalist. He was an atheist .... go check your history.

Sometimes people are just ..... nuts.
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Although Hitler publicly declared himself an atheist, he had an obsession with Christian occultism.

The occult can be just as potentially dangerous as fundamentalism.
 
jillio said:
You are so mistaken, once again. You are the one that objected to the historical fact of untold murders occurring as the result of religious fundamental dogma and zealot behaviors. Dude, it's historical fact. And not just Christianity, although Christian fundamentalism certainly bears responsiblilty for untold numbers of deaths.
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The suicide vest was invented by a Hindu fundamentalist group, no? Sort of ironic considering a lot of people think Muslims came up with the concept-- and considering the reason for the divide between India and Pakistan.
 
Royale said:
What makes me feel so pissed off is that mass murderer will may face to up to 21 years only in prison. It is very much like just a slap on the wrist.
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That's because Norwegians believe people don't habitually re-offend if treated humanely. Hell, they refuse to hand back foreign criminals back to their countries in the name of human rights.

I know he killed so many people, however us North Americans have no say in how they apply their laws.
 
diehardbiker said:
Forget the religious issue, it is not the real problem. The real problem is gun control. This scumbag took huge advantage that no one around has gun to kill him in order to defend themselves. Supposely there is no strict gun laws where norway requires owner to lock the gun and put away. Then that scumbag will think twice before shooting.

Just think for a moment, like I said if everyone on that island has gun, this probably won't be this bad.
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Wrong.

It has very little to do with gun control. Most people in Norway owns a gun. Why? They believe it's their right to hunt.

The thing is, no one ever thought someone would use a historical asset in taking grouses, bears and moose as a weapon against the public; so no one really thought they should carry one with them during the off-seasons. For the most part, their history has been void of violence, so people learned to trust each others.
 
souggy said:
The suicide vest was invented by a Hindu fundamentalist group, no? Sort of ironic considering a lot of people think Muslims came up with the concept-- and considering the reason for the divide between India and Pakistan.
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Hmm.. that's something I hadn't known.
 
This is Diehardbiker

Re check the gun law there. I did read, if (guns) were not used in hunting or sporting game, then it is required to lock and put away. That is what normal civilians would required. There is no hunting or shooting sporting going on there on that island so therefore all guns are required to lock and put away. That is a gun control that fails.

Sorry, Im using my wife account.

souggy said:
Wrong.

It has very little to do with gun control. Most people in Norway owns a gun. Why? They believe it's their right to hunt.

The thing is, no one ever thought someone would use a historical asset in taking grouses, bears and moose as a weapon against the public; so no one really thought they should carry one with them during the off-seasons. For the most part, their history has been void of violence, so people learned to trust each others.
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I think the discussions about Norway's shooting are perfect examples of a type of person using an event to further their viewpoint/agenda.

The religious person: "It's not fair that they called the shooter a fundamentalist Christian. It is incorrect. He is NOT one and the media is trying to make Christianity/religion look bad!"

The anti-religion person: "See what religion does to people?"

The liberal person: "Now the conservatives know what it will be like to have someone of your religion/type do something bad and people blame it on the whole group. This is exactly what happened to Muslims."

The gun lover: "If only everyone had a gun, this wouldn't happen. Everyone would be safe. It's that simple."

The gun hater: "If only everyone was (were?) banned to have guns, this wouldn't happen. Everyone would be safe. It's that simple."
 
Just did the math, the deaths amount up to almost twice as 9/11 deaths per captia.

And you guys who scream for the death penalty are the problem of America.

There's a reason (actually several) countries like France, Denmark, Sweden, and Ireland has a murder rate 1/5th of the USA, and Norway at almost 1/10th of ours. (Spain, Greece, Germany, Switzerland are in between of 1/5-1/10th)

Now Diehardbiker.. This is 1 person. Its not a failed gun control.

NOWWWWWWWWWWW Let me show you guys a Norwegian prison so you guys can have something else to be "mad at"....

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This is a prisoner:
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Enjoy.

Don't believe me??? Look up Bastoy Prison.
 
souggy said:
Although Hitler publicly declared himself an atheist, he had an obsession with Christian occultism.

The occult can be just as potentially dangerous as fundamentalism.
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There's an oxymoron--"Christian occultism."

If a person practices the occult, he's not a Christian.

If a person is a Christian, he doesn't get involved with occult practices.

The Bible condemns occultism.
 
posts from hell said:
NOWWWWWWWWWWW Let me show you guys a Norwegian prison so you guys can have something else to be "mad at"...

Don't believe me??? Look up Bastoy Prison.
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That's for the Norwegians to deal with, not us. As long as the killer isn't allowed into America after his 21 years (or whatever sentence) is over, we don't have any say about it.
 
Reba said:
That's for the Norwegians to deal with, not us. As long as the killer isn't allowed into America after his 21 years (or whatever sentence) is over, we don't have any say about it.
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I wouldn't mind letting him be here.

You see, that IS the problem I am referring to. Once a person served, he's forever a criminal here even though they've served their time. Then they are forced to reoffend, thanks to the likes of that thought path.
 
Of course, it is not fool proof. My point is that if there is least restrictive gun controls, then the idiot like this guy may not be able to achieve as much death as he did if the guns were allowed. There is no such thing as fool proof security.

And yes your right about USA has the highest prison population, this proves that USA laws has failed to serve its purpose.

posts from hell said:
Now Diehardbiker.. This is 1 person. Its not a failed gun control.
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Yup I can see it crystal clear, once convicted and put in record, then the opportunites becomes very limited, which makes it alot easier for them to re-offend. Limited opportunity to earn living after prison life which makes it harder to pay bills and other expenses, so it is alot easier for them just go back to prison and not worry about paying bills. That is the real problem.

posts from hell said:
I wouldn't mind letting him be here.

You see, that IS the problem I am referring to. Once a person served, he's forever a criminal here even though they've served their time. Then they are forced to reoffend, thanks to the likes of that thought path.
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posts from hell said:
I wouldn't mind letting him be here.

You see, that IS the problem I am referring to. Once a person served, he's forever a criminal here even though they've served their time. Then they are forced to reoffend, thanks to the likes of that thought path.
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I agree with you..... up to a point. This crime was too heinous and massive to allow for rehabilitation. It would be hard even for Norwegians to feel that everything is fine and peachy around this guy after he serves his time.
 
Steinhauer said:
A fundamentalist protestant would never want the church to revert back to Catholocism .... keep in mind, Catholics are the liberals, protestants are the "scary right wingers".

I am more and more inclined to believe that he was labelled a fundamentalist purely for political reasons.
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Catholics are liberals?:laugh2::laugh2:
You seriously need to study some religious history.:laugh2:
 
Royale said:
What makes me feel so pissed off is that mass murderer will may face to up to 21 years only in prison. It is very much like just a slap on the wrist.
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I am not certain exactly how Norway handles cases of people who are shown to be acting out of a psychosis, but since they appear to be more humane that the States, I would say that he will be spending his time in a mental hospital until he can be shown to be no longer a threat to himself or others. That means that he will be under the state ordered care of a mental hospital quite a bit longer than if he were sentenced to a specific sentence in prison. People who act out and committ acts such as this don't have a very good prognosis for any kind of recovery.
 
Daredevel7 said:
I think the discussions about Norway's shooting are perfect examples of a type of person using an event to further their viewpoint/agenda.

The religious person: "It's not fair that they called the shooter a fundamentalist Christian. It is incorrect. He is NOT one and the media is trying to make Christianity/religion look bad!"

The anti-religion person: "See what religion does to people?"

The liberal person: "Now the conservatives know what it will be like to have someone of your religion/type do something bad and people blame it on the whole group. This is exactly what happened to Muslims."

The gun lover: "If only everyone had a gun, this wouldn't happen. Everyone would be safe. It's that simple."

The gun hater: "If only everyone was (were?) banned to have guns, this wouldn't happen. Everyone would be safe. It's that simple."
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Amazing, isn't it?
 
Royale said:
I just learned that he could be out on weekend paroles after seven years.
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Could be. But that is speculation that doesn't consider all the particulars that will be involved with the sentencing in this particular case.
 
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