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See Post #88.

*shrug* They chose the school and chose to purchase the plan.... The consequences are on the choosers. Simple. If they don't like their choices they should make a change.
 
*shrug* They chose the school and chose to purchase the plan.... The consequences are on the choosers. Simple. If they don't like their choices they should make a change.

See Post #91.

it is them who didn't like the change... which is why they're stonewalling people. Looks like we're playing merry-go-around and it's amusing for me to see your simpleton argument being dismantled piece by piece. all the answers are right there for you to read. you're in 2012, not 1990.
 
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oooo a new audience!

Rush Limbaugh considering taking adverts from Westboro Baptist Church? | Mail Online
Rush Limbaugh is facing claims that he is considering sponsorship from the notorious Westboro Baptist Church as 140 advertisers pull out of his radio show.

The talk show host’s controversial remarks about a Georgetown law student have forced distributor Premiere Radio Networks to suspend national ads for two weeks.

Limbaugh called Sandra Fluke a 'slut' and a 'prostitute' for arguing that health insurers should provide birth control coverage.

He said: 'What does it say about the college coed ... who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex? It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex.'

After an outcry, he apologised, saying: 'I should not have used the language I did, and it was wrong.'

Sources inside Clear Channel, which owns Premiere Networks, told blog Hundred Black Out that the company is now considering an offer of sponsorship from Westboro Baptist Church, which recently made headlines for promising to picket Whitney Houston’s funeral, claiming that the star died because she disobeyed God.

It is unclear what kind of advertisements the famously anti-gay church is offering.
 
Lorraine Devon Wilke: Politics Proves: Sex Terrifies the Religious
Let's get honest and quit dancing around the issue with statements about "religious freedom" and "war on Christianity" and "saving our flock from government intervention."

Sex terrifies the religious.

Oh, they're having it, pretty much like anyone else, but sex as a concept terrifies Catholics, selected Protestants, certainly Mormons (though perhaps not their bigamizing brethren); surely there are issues in Islam, I don't know from Buddhists, and though I can't speak for Judaism, I invite any adherents to weigh in on the topic.

And I'm not being glib or silly here; I'm dead serious. When towering nuns tell six-year-old children that having "impure thoughts" is a sin worthy of "burning forever in Hell," that's a big problem. Using fear of sex to keep adherents from, hopefully, having it, seems a slightly terrifying way to deal with this most innate element of human nature. Maybe it's just me.

TheWashington Post ran an article today entitled: Catholic Bishops Say Fight Against White House Mandate a Top Priority. What struck me was the phrase "top priority." The ludicrous idea that at a time when the world is staggered by war, rampant poverty (much brought on by overpopulation), incurable diseases, terrorism, economic tsunamis, actual tsunamis, immigration conundrums and the battle for civil rights for many, this is their "top priority"?? How stunning to make the insurance mandate for women's healthcare "the most significant item on their agenda," as a Sister Mary Ann Walsh of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops stated.

But it ain't about sex.... no, no, please... it's about "religious freedom."

Uh huh.

What a predictable and weary smokescreen. "This dispute is not about access to contraceptives but about the government's forcing the church to provide them," the Bishop's statement declared. Except that that is WRONG.

The government is not forcing the Church to provide them; it's giving the Church an option out and leaving it to the insurance company to provide them. To continue to twist and turn this situation into a false and baiting rallying cry for "religious freedom" is cynical at best, fraud at worst. But, hey, screw truth; it's given them their "top priority." And other Christians are jumping on the bandwagon. It's a big old jolly hayride of obfuscation and falsehood all wrapped up in the supposed victimization of the religious as opposed to the neutral protections of all. Let's not get messy old truth get all gummed up in there!


Odd, though, that a Catholic Church beset by so many problems within its own walls -- pedophilia, alcoholism, sexual abuse, dropping numbers, sexism and misogyny; younger generations fleeing in record numbers -- would make the fight against birth control a "top priority." Actually, it is beyond ludicrous; it is deflective and counter-productive. It is also about controlling sex... that terrifying sex.

Only a clueless hierarchy could maintain this transparent farce. When the majority of women within its fold already use birth control, when the bulk of its congregation selectively chooses which mandates they will actually be mandated by, when responsible family planning is seen not only as an essential but personal choice, their outdated, punitive and anti-women stance is as regressive as it is destructive.

But let's get back to my original thesis and frame this more honestly: the biggest fear, the biggest sin in Catholicism, maybe all of Christianity, is... SEX. Seriously. Catholicism has, inexplicably, made sex one of the potentially greatest crimes one can commit, leading to the illogical demand for celibacy in the priesthood (likely a reason for the compulsive sexual acting-out), celibacy for its nuns, a demand for no use of birth control by its married flock, the assignation of MORTAL SIN (on the same level as assigned to cold-blooded murder!) to any sex outside of heterosexual marriage (and specifically for procreation), the denunciation of homosexuals as perverse, the terrorizing of children on the topic of SEX = SIN... the list goes on.

Interesting, isn't it, that this Church so intent on managing the sex lives of its adherents is run by men and women who are not allowed to have any?

So these sexless leaders and spokespersons who have no (open) experience with sex, no experience with childbirth, raising a family, affording a family, balancing the needs of the children they have against the potential of more coming along if one chooses to have sanctioned and "unbirth-controlled married sex" with their heterosexual partner, these leaders and spokespersons are the ones making it a "top priority" to see to it that Catholic women damn well cannot get birth control by way of their insurance if they work or go to school in a Catholic organization.

Yep, there's some religious freedom there.... kumbay-effin'-ya, my Lord.

I was raised Catholic and know from which I speak. The systemic aversion to one's sexual human nature is just one of the many reasons I left as soon as I was old enough to walk out the door. When grade school children are browbeaten into "confessing their sins" for fear of damnation, I got a problem with that. When young marrieds are told in pre-marriage conferences that procreation is the only reason for sex, you're losin' me there (so post-menopausal women and their husbands are just out of luck??). When teenagers curious about their developing bodies are ignored, dismissed or told simply to "pray and wait until you're married," we're sending those same teenagers toward secretive sex, too often into unwanted pregnancies, and right out the church's doors. As a modern, ethical and highly moral person, I cannot, for the life of me, understand how SEX became such a subject for fear, manipulation and oppression. One need only look at the rampant sexual abuse issues within this same Church to see some of the very tragic and hypocritical results of this folly of fear.

Every religion has their good and bad; I am also aware of the many positive works of the Catholic Church and the many wonderful, loving people who remain loyal to it, even if in disagreement with many of its mandates. I have family who are still members and dear friends who remain steadfast. Unlike me, they believe they can still embrace certain aspects of the faith without accepting it all. They compare it to "being an American... we don't agree with or embrace everything about our government but we still call ourselves Americans!"

Except religion is different than government. We have a choice to belong to or defect from religion and it doesn't involve expatriation to another country. We don't get to vote the Pope out of office or legislate away an errant policy. To identify oneself as a member of a religion, you are identifying yourself with that entire religion. And when that religion is oppressive, backward and punitive, I, myself, have no willingness to accept that identification. My suggestion has always been to follow Martin Luther's lead and take the good of Catholicism, reject the bad, and start a new faith, call it, say, "Paul's Loving Church," or something like that. So far no one in my family has jumped on the suggestion.

But regardless of its good, until it stops punishing its adherents for being sexual beings, until it helps its children understand their inherent natures with love and understanding, until it removes SEX as a sin to be controlled and marginalized, it will continue to contribute to the overpopulation of often poverty-stricken nations, the destruction of families who cannot afford the children they already have, the oppression of women who attempt to control their own reproductive lives, and the flight of younger people who refuse to view sex through the filter of sin and damnation.

And it will continue to engender the antipathy of millions who view this Church not only as antiquated and regressively paternalistic, but one that does not serve well those for whom it remains their sustaining base of faith.
 

The question is, why did Sandra Fluke (a woman) put her "medical needs" in the hands of this insurance company? She had a choice. Sounds like she should have put more thought into her decision. Hopefully she will be better at decision making in the future.
 
yes yes.... Blame Obama.....

Rush Limbaugh
While I have your attention, give me 30 minutes here. It's all I ask and then you can do what you want. I want to explain why I apologized to Sandra Fluke in the statement that was released on Saturday. I've read all the theories from all sides, and, frankly, they are all wrong. I don't expect -- and I know you don't, either -- morality or intellectual honesty from the left. They've demonstrated over and over a willingness to say or do anything to advance their agenda. It's what they do. It's what we fight against here every day. But this is the mistake I made. In fighting them on this issue last week, I became like them.

Against my own instincts, against my own knowledge, against everything I know to be right and wrong I descended to their level when I used those two words to describe Sandra Fluke. That was my error. I became like them, and I feel very badly about that.

The apology to her over the weekend was sincere. It was simply for using inappropriate words in a way I never do, and in so doing, I became like the people we oppose. I ended up descending to their level. It's important not to be like them, ever, particularly in fighting them. The old saw, you never descend to the level of your opponent or they win. That was my error last week.

He speaks as if he was possessed by Obama Demon. This clearly sounds like he had relapsed to his drug/alcohol addiction. I hope he seeks help immediately.
 
Biggest Laugh of the Century

Rush Limbaugh
I am huge on personal responsibility and accountability, people providing for themselves when they're totally able to.

Personal Responsibility? so where was his personal responsibility when he made a vulgar tirade toward Sandra Fluke for 3 days?
 
Again where the argument fails......saying "we are not going to finance your sex life" is in no way controlling someone's sex life. She, like anyone, is free to hook up as much as she wants.

She's free to choose to NOT have sex, too.

Isn't having the freedom to choose wonderful? And not worry about getting paid for that decision?
 
not interested in shytmouth.
ain't givin the fat slob my time.
prefer my life without idiot rabblerousers.
I am in control.
fawk the slob.
 
tells us a lot about you that you want to make issues out of this. your halfass attempt to not align yourself with him ain't gonna work. two peas in a pod. republican morons.
 
tells us a lot about you that you want to make issues out of this. your halfass attempt to not align yourself with him ain't gonna work. two peas in a pod. republican morons.

Again, whatevah....
 
ooo cowpuppy... you surely did touch a raw nerve right there.
 
Smallest Audience in years perhaps?

Rush Limbaugh's Audience May Be Much Smaller Than You Think - Business Insider
As Rush Limbaugh's show enters a second week largely without advertisers -- except, ironically, for government-sponsored public service announcements -- it's worth asking how big a sacrifice it is for brands such as AOL and AllState to stay away from the show.

Limbaugh's show reaches 15 - 20 million people weekly across more than 600 radio stations on which he is syndicated, it is frequently reported.

Or does it?

We asked Arbitron, the radio ratings measurement service, to give us data for Limbaugh. This is what spokesperson Kim Myers said:
"Unfortunately, we don't have show specific data for network programs. The syndicators, Premiere Radio Networks, are the only ones that have the station clearances. Without that, we can't figure out the show ratings data."
"If you want to look at the number of different listeners tuning into Rush's show, you'll want to look at CUME [the cumulative number of people who listen to the show weekly].Again, the only place you can get that information is through Premiere Radio Networks which is based in Los Angeles."

To put that simply, the only reason we "know" that 15 million people listen to Limbaugh is because the company that gets paid for syndicating Limbaugh tells us so. A message asking PRN to explain their methodology was not immediately returned.

A couple of years ago, the Washington Post tried to get to the bottom of the mystery:

"... estimates of Limbaugh's nationwide (and overseas) audience are exercises in guesswork, slippery methodology and suspect data. Limbaugh himself has muddied the water with the claim that he reaches 20 million people a week, although there's no independent support for that figure."

"Premiere Radio Networks, Limbaugh's national syndicator, estimated last year that 3.59 million people were in Limbaugh's audience during an average quarter-hour of his program, based on a review of Arbitron's piecemeal data about hundreds of stations."

"Because people typically tune in and tune out of stations, however, that number doesn't reflect how many individuals cumulatively listened at some point during the week. What's more, Premiere's figure is based on data from the first three months of 2008, a virtual lifetime ago in the fast-moving radio business."

Basically, this "15-20 million" number has been floating around the media unaudited for four years. Even if you assume, generously, that the CUME number holds true, here is how that would break down in real life, according to Media Matters:

"...common industry shorthand to determine the actual size of a radio audience at any given moment is to cut the cume figure down by a factor of 10, which would mean Limbaugh's 20 million becomes 2 million. Or, if you take the more modest cume number of 14 million, which some inside the industry have used to judge the talker's audience, Limbaugh's rating becomes 1.4 million, which is roughly the same size audience that Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann get each night on cable TV."

So there is it: Absent better data, only 1.4 million people listen to Limbaugh at any one time.
 
Struggling Clear Channel And Rush Limbaugh's $400 Million Payday | Media Matters for America
There was something very telling, and even morose, about the commercial break Rush Limbaugh took deep into his third hour of broadcasting on Tuesday's show. Still at the center of an advertising firestorm that rages around his program as corporate America turns its back on the AM talker in the wake of his ugly, invasive, three-day smear campaign against Sandra Fluke, Limbaugh boasted he had thwarted the left-wing attack and they were the ones "shell shocked" at the turn of events.

But the truth was that for days on his flagship station, WABC in New York, Limbaugh's show had been stripped of key advertisers. Instead, the once robust revenue-generating program had turned into a feel-good forum where during commercial breaks WABC ran nonpaid public service announcements on behalf of the United Negro College Fund and New York Office of Emergency Management. That's because WABC didn't feel comfortable putting lots of advertisers on Limbaugh's show, which up and down Madison Avenue had become poisonous in this wake of his misogynistic Fluke debacle.

So towards the end of his show on Tuesday, the nine-figure salary talk show host went to commercial break and a paid advertiser did pop up. And it was a new advertiser, a sponsor who apparently had signed on amidst the controversy. The sponsor's name? The Holy Name Cemetery in New Jersey, which was advertising a "pre-planning open house weekend."

How fitting.

Whether Limbaugh's show is in the midst of the death throes, only time will tell. But one thing is clear, the radio industry has never seen anything like the sponsorship controversy surrounding Limbaugh's once-untouchable program. And it's certainly never seen anything like the wholesale decision by his syndicator, Premier Radio Networks, to suspend barter ads for two weeks in an apparent effort to ride out the controversy. That was soon followed by news that advertisers are requesting Limbaugh's affiliated stations provide "Rush-free programming grids" so sponsors can verify that their brands aren't appearing on his show.

"It's unprecedented," Holland Cooke, a talk radio consultant, tells Media Matters. He says Premiere's startling advertising move "suggests things are worse than we know."

The question is: How long will stations be able to sustain the ad losses on Limbaugh's show, and how does the host justify his $400 million pay in the face of the advertiser revolt?

The boycott comes at a bad time for Premier's parent company, Clear Channel. A conservative-friendly media behemoth with a soft spot for right-wing radio, Clear Channel continues to struggle not only with a depleted radio audience as more and more consumers migrate away from the AM/FM dial, but it's also sagging under the weight of massive debt.


From a Forbes report, earlier this year:
Clear Channel's consolidated businesses are struggling amid a sea of losses and a $19.9 billion debt load, meanwhile its largest revenue source, radio broadcasting, is a loss leader. Overall, the combined company is set to lose over $200 million in 2011 after notching $4 billion-plus annual losses during the recession.
And now comes the Limbaugh debacle. Like Fox News when it was hit with a sweeping advertising boycott of Glenn Beck's show (a boycott that eventually drove him off TV), Clear Channel executives are downplaying the impact of the current controversy. A company source told the New York Times that the advertising action had only cost the company $1 million per week in lost revenue, stressing the pain to the company's bottom line has been minimal. The source also suggested the company is simply taking advertisers who want off Limbaugh's show and finding spots for them on other Clear Channel programs.

But the boycott is only in its third week and shows no signs of abating. Worse, Clear Channel pays Limbaugh an astounding $38 million annually, or approximately $750,000 each week. So right now, Clear Channel's paying Limbaugh $750,000 weekly for a show that's shedding $1 million from its bottom line every seven days.

With regards to shifting disgruntled advertisers onto other programs, here's the reality: there are a finite number of commercials spots in radio. If you take commercials off Limbaugh's program and shift them to another Clear Channel offering, you're simply bumping commercials that were already in place on the other program. Limbaugh's show sorely lacks national advertisers and moving sponsors onto other shows doesn't change that, nor does it make up for the lost Clear Channel revenue.

Another problem Limbaugh and Clear Channel face is the looming threat that some major talk news stations could drop Limbaugh in favor of Mike Huckabee's new national talk show, which begins to air in April and will compete against Limbaugh during the noon-to-three time slot. Huckabee's show is being syndicated by Cumulus Media Networks, whose parent company owns some of Limbaugh's most high-profile affiliates, such as WABC in New York, WLS in Chicago, and WMAL in Washington, D.C.

"With the flip of the switch they could take Rush off" major markets, says Cooke, a move he says would do permanent damage to Limbaugh's radio prestige.

Just consider the predicament Cumulus' WABC now faces, filling the dozens and dozens of ad spots each day with unpaid public service announcements. Since the controversy broke, WABC has aired hundreds of them during Limbaugh's show. And yes, Limbaugh's ratings on WABC were already down 37 percent from 2010. (In the New York metro area of approximately 20 million people, just 72,000 people tune into Limbaugh's show each day, according to Crains New York.)

"Talk radio is a business," stresses industry veteran and talk radio consultant Valerie Geller. "And when the money stops flowing, every station looks at every show."
 
Poll: Majority Don’t See Loss of Liberty in Obama Contraception Rules
Some 56 percent of Americans believe their freedom of religion is secure, despite conservatives’ continued protests over new rules for contraception coverage.

Bad news for the GOP on the religious liberty vs. contraception debate: Americans aren’t buying what you are selling.

A new Public Religion Research Institute poll released yesterday—which was done in partnership with Religion News Service—found that a majority (56 percent) of Americans do not believe that the right of religious liberty is being threatened in America today. Even worse for the right: A majority of Catholics (57 percent) and independents (58 percent) do not view Obama’s contraception mandate for religiously affiliated institutions as an infringement on religious liberty.

They are also losing on the key argument of the GOP, led by superstar Senator Marco Rubio: that religiously affiliated institutions should have the same protections as churches. PRRI’s chief executive, Dr. Robert P. Jones, told me, “Americans do believe that churches are special. There is no demographic that thinks that churches should be required to [provide contraception]. But a majority of Americans and Catholics continue to think religiously affiliated institutions should be required to cover birth control with no cost.”

The raging public debate and drumbeat from Republicans that Obama is infringing on religious liberty has been largely ignored. Says Jones, “There hasn’t been much of a change since our last poll. The numbers have been consistent. The bigger picture is most Americans and Catholics just aren’t connecting dots between the threat to religious liberty and the contraception debate.”

The GOP seems to be appreciating the lack of traction their arguments are getting and that they may actually be backfiring by alienating independent voters, who make up one-third of the electorate. On the Hill, House Republicans have backed off their efforts to overturn the rule mandating that health-insurance companies provide women working for religiously affiliated institutions with free contraception.

Democratic pollster Celinda Lake told me, “[Republicans] are losing because it’s energizing unmarried and single women. They are losing because their argument is being solidly rejected by independent women. And they are losing because women can’t believe in these times we are continuing to discuss this issue.”

PRRI’s Jones points out that Americans care deeply about religious liberty. It’s just that they don’t see the contraception rule as an infringement of it. Of the people who cited religious liberty as being under attack in America, PRRI/RNS asked people to tell them in their own words where they thought it was being threatened. Contraception placed at the bottom, with only 6 percent of people citing it as a top religious liberty issue. The most frequently mentioned reasons are the removal or God and religion from the public square (23 percent), government interference in religion (20 percent), and hostility toward Christians or religion (10 percent).

Despite the adversarial approach of their critics, the Obama administration continues to work to address the concerns that have been raised. The Department of Health and Human Services announced Friday the release of a new advanced rule that lays out more of the specifics of President Obama’s accommodation announcement for ensuring that religious organizations’ funds will not go toward contraceptive coverage and that insurers will bear the burden of this requirement. The administration addresses concerns over self-insured plans at religious universities and colleges and clarifies that the government is not creating a precedent over what is or is not a religious institution. Critics have raised both issues in their protest of the rule. The public will have a 90-day comment period to respond to the new information prior to the rule going into effect.

Another concern of critics—what do to with Christian insurance companies—has not been resolved, but the administration has asked for public comments providing options for rectifying this situation (PDF). It has said repeatedly it is committed to finding a solution that respects religious liberty.

Jones says that while Americans care about protecting religious rights, “Americans don’t think religious liberty is a right that trumps everything. They are weighing religious liberty with other kinds of considerations, such as obligations of employers, the needs of women employees, and the type of organization.”
 
Take that last line in RED to Mexico when the Pope comes for a visit this weekend and repeat it to his face. Stand back a little because you are going to get a earful. Even the cartel would not dare say that to him.
 
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