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Nope! Her whole reason for being in front of Congress was to push foward that the insurance compaines had to provide contraceptives regardless and against the wish/standard/belief/etc. of the employer.

You can twist this anyway you want but stick to the original purpose.
 
Nope! Her whole reason for being in front of Congress was to push foward that the insurance compaines had to provide contraceptives regardless and against the wish/standard/belief/etc. of the employer.

You can twist this anyway you want but stick to the original purpose.

I'm sorry - no that isn't her original purpose but we can agree to disagree.

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Not her's but the Congress committee's purpose for calling on her.
 
btw - it's not an employer nor company. it's Catholic school.

“In the media lately, some conservative Catholic organizations have been asking what did we expect when we enroll in a Catholic school?

“We can only answer that we expected women to be treated equally, to not have our school create untenable burdens that impede our academic success.

“We expected that our schools would live up to the Jesuit creed of ‘cura personalis‘ – to care for the whole person – by meeting all of our medical needs.

“We expected that when we told our universities of the problem this policy created for us as students, they would help us.

“We expected that when 94% of students oppose the policy the university would respect our choices regarding insurance students pay for – completely unsubsidized by the university.

“We did not expect that women would be told in the national media that we should have gone to school elsewhere.

“And even if that meant going to a less prestigious university, we refuse to pick between a quality education and our health. And we resent that in the 21st century, anyone think it’s acceptable to ask us to make this choice simply because we are women.

“Many of the women whose stories I’ve shared today are Catholic women. So ours is not a war against the church. It is a struggle for the access to the health care we need.

“The President of the Association of Jesuit Colleges has shared that Jesuit colleges and the universities appreciate the modifications to the rule announced recently. Religious concerns are addressed and women get the health care they need. And I sincerely hope that that is something we can all agree upon.

“Thank you very much.”

so....... I have not seen anything in her testimony saying we should pay for condoms or safe sex methods.
 
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lying about the cost? it's just an estimate. she did not state it as a fact. she was giving a general overview. there are women with medical conditions out there who are suffering from undue medical costs. we cannot ignore that.

That's what free clinics are for. Simple.
 
btw - it's not an employer nor company. it's Catholic school.



so....... I have not seen anything in her testimony saying we should pay for condoms or safe sex methods.

Is she forced to buy the school's plan? Why doesn't she just buty a plan that covers what she needs covered?
 
That's what free clinics are for. Simple.

yea life's always that simple just like that, right? must be nice to be that ignorant.

again....

“And some might respond that contraception is accessible in lots of other ways. Unfortunately, that’s just not true.

“Women’s health clinic provide a vital medical service, but as the Guttmacher Institute has definitely documented, these clinics are unable to meet the crushing demand for these services. Clinics are closing, and women are being forced to go without the medical care they need.

“How can Congress consider the [Rep. Jeff] Fortenberry (R-Neb.), [Sen. Marco] Rubio (R-Fla.) and [Sen. Roy] Blunt (R-Mo.) legislation to allow even more employers and institutions to refuse contraception coverage and then respond that the non-profit clinics should step up to take care of the resulting medical crisis, particularly when so many legislators are attempting to de-fund those very same clinics?

“These denial of contraceptive coverage impact real people.

“In the worst cases, women who need these medications for other medical conditions suffer very dire consequences.

“A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome, and she has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown’s insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy.

“Unfortunately, under many religious institutions and insurance plans, it wouldn’t be. There would be no exception for other medical needs. And under Sen. Blunt’s amendment, Sen. Rubio’s bill or Rep. Fortenberry’s bill there’s no requirement that such an exception be made for these medical needs.

“When this exception does exist, these exceptions don’t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators or other employers rather than women and their doctors dictate whose medical needs are legitimate and whose are not, women’s health takes a back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.

“In 65% of the cases at our school, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed prescription and whether they were lying about their symptoms.
 
Is she forced to buy the school's plan? Why doesn't she just buty a plan that covers what she needs covered?
Full-time student does get covered under school's healthcare plan and they're free to use their own private insurance coverage if they prefer to....... that's if they can afford it.

but under her school's health coverage, why must female students be faced with barriers and scrutiny? why must they be dealt with humiliation and assumption that it's for safe sex, not medical issue?

AGAIN......
“For my friend and 20% of the women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription. Despite verifications of her illness from her doctor, her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted birth control to prevent pregnancy.

We can only answer that we expected women to be treated equally, to not have our school create untenable burdens that impede our academic success."

“We expected that our schools would live up to the Jesuit creed of ‘cura personalis‘ – to care for the whole person – by meeting all of our medical needs."

...

“Many of the women whose stories I’ve shared today are Catholic women. So ours is not a war against the church. It is a struggle for the access to the health care we need."
 
Full-time student does get covered under school's healthcare plan and they're free to use their own private insurance coverage if they prefer to....... that's if they can afford it.

but under her school's health coverage, why must female students be faced with barriers and scrutiny? why must they be dealt with humiliation and assumption that it's for safe sex, not medical issue?

AGAIN......

Meh, I don't go into Mc Donald's to order Pizza Hut..... If you don't like what is being offered.....buy another plan. Simple. Or change schools. Again, simple Can't afford it? That's your problem.
 
yea life's always that simple just like that, right? must be nice to be that ignorant.

again....

If the free clinics are overburdened sounds like someone needs to get a job or a better job. Or buy at Walmart. Again, Simple.
 
Meh, I don't go into Mc Donald's to order Pizza Hut..... If you don't like what is being offered.....buy another plan. Simple. Can't afford it? That's your problem.

um.... affordability isn't an issue in here.

the issue is women being scrutinized and denied on the basis that it isn't for their medical issue. that is the barrier and humiliation they have to put up with. because of that, they had to pay out of their own pocket.
 
If the free clinics are overburdened sounds like someone needs to get a job or a better job. Or buy at Walmart. Again, Simple.

nothing's free.
 
um.... affordability isn't an issue in here.

the issue is women being scrutinized and denied on the basis that it isn't for their medical issue. that is the barrier and humiliation they have to put up with. because of that, they had to pay out of their own pocket.

*shrug* Bad service happens all of the time. If they were truly covered they should be persistent with the insurance company that denied the claim. Again, simple. If Fluke can't argue this to an insurance company she is probably pursuing the wrong profession.
 
*shrug* Bad service happens all of the time.
it wasn't bad service. it was overburdened service... which pretty much showed how disillusioned you are. "That's what free clinics are for. Simple."

If they were truly covered they should be persistent with the insurance company that denied the claim. Again, simple. If Fluke can't argue this to an insurance company she is probably pursuing the wrong profession.

what makes you think she didn't?
 
it wasn't bad service. it was overburdened service... which pretty much showed how disillusioned you are. "That's what free clinics are for. Simple."

No, the company refused her claim.


what makes you think she didn't?

She said "never" :dunno:
 
No, the company refused her claim.
right. because they think she's round-heeled. and it's a barrier that shouldn't be there in the first place especially when it comes to medical issue.

first.... preexisting condition and now this. the farce and hilarity ensues....

She said "never" :dunno:
never what?
 
right. because they think she's round-heeled. and it's a barrier that shouldn't be there in the first place especially when it comes to medical issue.

first.... preexisting condition and now this. the farce and hilarity ensues....

*shrug* Exactly so fight the company, change companies or both. Common sense.


never what?

Read your links again...
 
*shrug* Exactly so fight the company, change companies or both. Common sense.

Read your links again...

right. that's what she was doing.

again...

We, as Georgetown LSRJ, are here today because we're so grateful that this regulation implements the nonpartisan medical advice of the Institute of Medicine.

he president of the Association of Jesuit Colleges has shared that Jesuit colleges and universities appreciate the modification to the rule announced recently. Religious concerns are addressed, and women get the health care they need. And I sincerely hope that that is something we can all agree upon.

Timing Of Birth Control Coverage May Differ For Students, Profs : Shots - Health Blog : NPR
Under the health care overhaul, new health plans (or those that change their benefits enough to lose grandfathered status) have to begin providing free contraceptive services to women in August.

Religious insitutions, such as churches, are exempt from the requirement, but colleges and hospitals and other employers that are affiliated with religious institutions aren't.

After some of them protested the requirement impinged on their religious freedom, the Obama administration announced an "accommodation" that will allow employees at these institutions to get the free birth control services through the insurer rather than their employer.

There's a wrinkle in the timing, however. Religiously affiliated institutions have a one-year transition period before they have to be in compliance.

Could that mean that students at Georgetown University, a Catholic and Jesuit institution, as well as other religiously affiliated colleges might have to wait until August 2013 for the provision to take effect?

Not a problem, says Marcia Greenberger, co-president of the National Women's Law Center. The one-year delay applies to religiously-affiliated institutions in their role as employers, and thus would only affect the employees that are covered under the organization's health plan.

Students aren't employees, and student health plans are generally individual policies that the students buy on their own, even if they're offered through the college.

"Since the students deal directly with the insurance company, it's not the same relationship as it is with the employer," says Greenberger. "We don't believe the one-year accommodation should apply."

Of course, what advocates hope will apply is still to be determined.
 
Exactly, this students are free to buy this plan or any other plan. Sounds like they didn't make a wise purchase. :dunno: If a company doesn't want to provide what you want, change companies. It would be pretty silly for me to stand in McDonald's and demand they sell me a Whopper.
See Post #88.
 
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