Belgium becomes first Euro country to ban the burkha

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Lighthouse77 said:
This reminds me of something: it is a common southern courtesy that men take off their hats when they enter the building.
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It's not just a Southern thing; as common courtesy, all men should remove their hats indoors. :)
 
The video doesn't have foul language. The robber keeps referring to the female clerk as "ma'am".
 
Reba said:
It's not just a Southern thing; as common courtesy, all men should remove their hats indoors. :)
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Odd, I was taught you only remove them when you're talking to someone indoors-- more specifically, if you're sitting down.
 
Reba said:
The video doesn't have foul language. The robber keeps referring to the female clerk as "ma'am".
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wow he's gotta be the most gentleman robber I've ever seen :lol:
 
PowerON said:
Only problem that camera in security system wouldn't able to identify during threaten or criminal in act, it's better to keep face being open. In my opinion, as it goes same thing to our ID card
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yep not surprising since Europe is the police state. Cameras are everywhere. Interesting enough - in NYC.... it's illegal to wear mask or any covering on your face during public/political demonstration. It's called Anti-Mask: New York Penal Law § 240.35(4).

This law was challenged at federal appeals court and it was not ruled unconstitutional. It was relating to KKK public demonstration in NY :cold:
 
flip said:
Many muslims are against the burka, and it's an invention from Afghanistan, not something found in the Quaran. Secular countries with a muslim majority don't have problems with banning it.

But westerns seems confused why they want to ban it and somehow try to keep up the self image as a tolerant people who allows religious freedom. Do we want to ban it because of politics(some terrorists seems to support burka), security issues(who are you), women rights or is it plain racism/islamophobia?

To me, the solution is to accept that we have to ban it for various reasons, while we acknowledge that Islam is back in europe, and have a right to influence the culture and prosper along with other religions. Something like Allahu Akbar ;)
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hhmmm.... not sure but the term "Westerners".... I know it usually means the Caucasians but isn't it a commonly known term for Americans?
 
Jiro said:
hhmmm.... not sure but the term "Westerners".... I know it usually means the Caucasians but isn't it a commonly known term for Americans?
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It includes Western Europeans.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
You don't have laws against that? As far as Psychological abuse,Anything can be consider as psychological abuse. So I only think the child should be removed if they made the child feel unwanted/unloved/worthless (calling them Stupid or say they hate them or things like that). As far as husbands, I just hope the woman wise up and leave him for abusing.

Banning Burkha is not going to stop the abuse. Sorry.
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I would consider covering a woman with a large sheet some kind of physical abuse.

If those women in europe who claim they wear it by their own will, could explain the difference of using it in europe and in afghanistan, if there is any, I am sure a lot of people would care less about the burka. It's striking how this never happens. I don't know why.

The stories of deaf women from afghanistan makes me conclude that the burka as a everyday piece of cloth does more damage than good if it becomes a "must" wear, like it quickly can do in the ghettos of europe. But then, this hasn't happened yet, and I may be wrong, but it's what worry some people here.
 
souggy said:
Odd, I was taught you only remove them when you're talking to someone indoors-- more specifically, if you're sitting down.
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It depends on the setting.

Inside a home, courthouse, church, office, or school is different from a supermarket, Walmart, factory, barn, or garage.
 
flip said:
Yes, also australia :) Perhaps Japan and south Korea as well, too.
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eh? Japan and South Korea as Westerners? :scratch:
 
flip said:
I would consider covering a woman with a large sheet some kind of physical abuse.

If those women in europe who claim they wear it by their own will, could explain the difference of using it in europe and in afghanistan, if there is any, I am sure a lot of people would care less about the burka. It's striking how this never happens. I don't know why.

The stories of deaf women from afghanistan makes me conclude that the burka as a everyday piece of cloth does more damage than good if it becomes a "must" wear, like it quickly can do in the ghettos of europe. But then, this hasn't happened yet, and I may be wrong, but it's what worry some people here.
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I only worry if the LAW forced us to wear it. Which was happening in Afghanistan. The whole community decided how women should dress. And I think lipreading is mostly related to oralism anyway so that is damaging enough anyway.

But really, our parent forced us to wear clothes. I'm sure they used the same method as our parents used on us to get us to wear proper clothing and explained why we had to wear it. Is it really physical abuse?
 
France will be second if it keeps going this way.... They've been talking about this longer... Only Belgium is the first one to legally ban it!
 
but on the other hand, if it is going to suffocate and dehydrate a child by too much covering on the face (or too thick in hot weathers), yeah, but if it a women who is capable of making her own choice and knows she doesn't have to wear it in public, then I don't think it should be banned.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
I only worry if the LAW forced us to wear it. Which was happening in Afghanistan. The whole community decided how women should dress. And I think lipreading is mostly related to oralism anyway so that is damaging enough anyway.

But really, our parent forced us to wear clothes. I'm sure they used the same method as our parents used on us to get us to wear proper clothing and explained why we had to wear it. Is it really physical abuse?
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Laws in afghanistan? It's anarchy there last time I read the newspaper, but agree the community have decided how women should dress. You can't use sign language with burka, that's what the deaf women of afghanistan complained about.

It's a difference between covering a person with a large sheet and protecting someone against cold or nudity, IMO.
 
flip said:
Western world, yes. Western culture, not that sure. That's my understanding.
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ah-ha! now I understand where you're getting at. What you're referring to is that South Korea and Japan are "adapting" to Westerner style - fast food... capitalism... free markets... etc.

but South Koreans and Japanese are not Westerners :lol:
 
Lighthouse77 said:
but on the other hand, if it is going to suffocate and dehydrate a child by too much covering on the face (or too thick in hot weathers), yeah, but if it a women who is capable of making her own choice and knows she doesn't have to wear it in public, then I don't think it should be banned.
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I agree on that. I really don't have much problems with it in public, except places where more controll are needed, if it's like you say.
 
flip said:
I agree on that. I really don't have much problems with it in public, except places where more controll are needed, if it's like you say.
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The article says public. Did you think I was speaking about IDs, gov't buildings, etc.
 
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