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ms_redcat said:
Chantix essentially stops people from feeling pleasure from nicotine. Unfortunately, it also stops many from experiencing pleasure from anything else. So has very nasty side effects, which can include blackouts, severe depression, increased risk of suicide, and aggressive behavior, including homicidal behavior.

It's actually still on the market, but with serious warnings. Here's an article about it: FDA requires Chantix, Zyban to have warning | Aiken Standard | Aiken, SC

Before all of the reports came out, I actually did use it to quit smoking. It did help -- I'd tried to quit several times before, but this time I succeeded. Luckily I didn't have any of the really bad side effects!
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I'm glad you didn't have any unpleasant effects from that drug.

I found it easy to quit smoking about 8 months ago but then I never was a heavy smoker. Doctors told me that it was likely that smoking likely was a factor in my heart attack last year.
 
Everglade85 said:
I think the best thing to do would be to phase smoking out. Increase taxes on smoking, increase the size of the surgeon general's warning sticker, and limit the amount of nicotine and other drugs put in.
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Grummer said:
Everglade, it never worked
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yep you're right, grummer. there were billboard-size for anti-smoking ad. If that didn't work, increasing the size of warning sticker won't do jack shit either.
 
ms_redcat said:
Chantix essentially stops people from feeling pleasure from nicotine. Unfortunately, it also stops many from experiencing pleasure from anything else. So has very nasty side effects, which can include blackouts, severe depression, increased risk of suicide, and aggressive behavior, including homicidal behavior.

It's actually still on the market, but with serious warnings. Here's an article about it: FDA requires Chantix, Zyban to have warning | Aiken Standard | Aiken, SC

Before all of the reports came out, I actually did use it to quit smoking. It did help -- I'd tried to quit several times before, but this time I succeeded. Luckily I didn't have any of the really bad side effects!
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oh it is still on the market. i know about the side effects but didn't know if there were pulled but you said it is still on the market. i was wondering about the halluncating part. I had a friend who tried this chanix and she seems not to be the same person that she was seeing or thinking differently than what i thought i know she was. :shrug:
 
Dont us smokers suffer enough? First of all, many of us do try everything under the sun to quit. It isnt easy! Second of all, we are getting taxed to death for the right to smoke. Third of all, legislation has made it all but impossible to smoke anywhere but in your home and your car.

What about alcoholics and alcohol why not pick on them for a while?
 
Alcoholics can consume their drug of choice alone. Us nonsmokers inhale your second hand smoke along with you. Sorry, but your drug of choice affects others. Nothing personal, but I don't want to share your smoke.
 
Sallylou, um, dont you think that alcohol have a very real, undeniable property as a substance which makes people do crazy things like battery or unwanted sexual advances, saying stupid things potentionally asking for trouble? Surely ciggies doesnt to that!??
that is harm being spread around. may not be smoke, but bloody fists, broken bottles, scratches, chairs flying across the room, it attracts the police so quickly. Hell the bottle should have a warning sticker on it to stay excess consumption can land you in trouble with the law.

Despite there is a myth going around that alcohol is a 'social lubriant' - though it is, but it is too potent that too much of it tends to have things go very wrong.

So I second Bear's suggestion. It is very logical.

Now consider cannabis, it doesnt make people become violent, they just make lazy that all you're just likely only want to listen to music or reading some far fetched imaginative story books or get hungry and go on the munchies. Also let's drop the fucking stupid cannabis laws, let people get high if they wanna, there so many fucking job losses its not funny, so at least people would cope better for the time being, and it would, in my opinion discourage people away from far-deadlier narcotics.

Not I smoke grass now- I dont smoke pot and dont really miss it either. I dont even touch ciggies at all, I just happen to have different opinion.
 
Bear said:
Dont us smokers suffer enough? First of all, many of us do try everything under the sun to quit. It isnt easy! Second of all, we are getting taxed to death for the right to smoke. Third of all, legislation has made it all but impossible to smoke anywhere but in your home and your car.

What about alcoholics and alcohol why not pick on them for a while?
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Smoking cigarettes has no health benefits. Consuming alcohol does have some limited health benefits.

By the way, I am quite amused at the post that states, “banning cigarettes will help healthcare costs.” Wrong. If smoking is banned, healthcare, as well as other factors of our economy, will suffer.
 
I disagree with banning cigarettes right now, because if we were to immediately ban cigarettes then a lot of people would just go nuts and go into withdrawl. I think that banning cigarettes should come with time. I think that Canada is doing the right thing in this regard. We've started very slowly by banning smoking in public places (it is illegal in Ontario... not sure how many other provinces have the same law) and offering the programs to help people quit smoking. Canada also spreads ads to let people know just how dangerous smoking is and has also forced tobacco companies to place obscene, but necessary ads on the packages of cigarettes.

One of the things I think is still a real problem is the number of kids starting smoking in high school due to peer pressure (I have a friend who tried smoking because of this... he knows how stupid I think he is). This is the root of the problem and if they nip it in the bud, then they will be on the road to banning them. The problem is that it is not illegal for kids to smoke cigarettes... it is illegal for them to buy cigarettes. Not only should it be illegal for kids to buy cigarettes under 19, but they also should not be allowed to smoke them under 19. My school's administration is trying their damndest to stop the number of kids from smoking. First they made the "smoker's pit", where kids have to go out almost to the road, because of the Ontario law, to smoke. This was OK, but dangerous... and it wasn't working. Then this year, they put in a whole new system. Any kids under 16 who smoked had to get a permission form signed by their parents to allow them to smoke and then they would bring the "smoker's pit" closer to the school. Also, there would be adult supervision of the "smoker's pit" to ensure that kids who shouldn't be there wouldn't be there. It's really quite sad, because there was a 9th grader last year who is incredibly short and skinny looks like an 8 year old, and every time you saw him put a cigarette in his mouth it would make you cringe because it was quite disturbing to see someone who looked so young putting such crap in their mouth.
 
If cigarettes do get ban I don't think it would stop some people from smoking it will go underground just like pot and cause more problems.
 
Loghead, the reason the school can't 'stop' is because they are an agency for education, not law enforcement, they can not enforce laws.
Pretty weird though, 'smokers pit' ? are you sure? i mean did you assume this or was it actually reported formally like in newspapers, or the school gazette,?

I do recall i used to smoke in my school days we had a 'designated' smokers corner, well behind the wall of bricks and poured concrete at the end of a tennis court (it was a practice wall) somehow the entire school knew about it and it was left alone for a term, probably due to its number of smokers was just impractical to nab the whole lot of us. We laughed but not in a mean way, just in a humerous way basically we had good relationships with our teachers at the time.
As for Pepsi's comment, I'd tend to agree with that one.
 
Grummer said:
Loghead, the reason the school can't 'stop' is because they are an agency for education, not law enforcement, they can not enforce laws.
Pretty weird though, 'smokers pit' ? are you sure? i mean did you assume this or was it actually reported formally like in newspapers, or the school gazette,?

I do recall i used to smoke in my school days we had a 'designated' smokers corner, well behind the wall of bricks and poured concrete at the end of a tennis court (it was a practice wall) somehow the entire school knew about it and it was left alone for a term, probably due to its number of smokers was just impractical to nab the whole lot of us. We laughed but not in a mean way, just in a humerous way basically we had good relationships with our teachers at the time.
As for Pepsi's comment, I'd tend to agree with that one.
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They can enforce the law if the students are on school grounds smoking... because it is illegal to be on public property and smoke in Ontario. They can call the police, but since our school is so small they simply call a meeting for smokers and tell them to move further out towards the road. But this isn't the case anymore with the new smoker's policy. Furthermore, I wasn't stating that it is the school's job to enforce a smoking ban. I was saying that many public programs should be directed towards high school students, since they start at such an age because of peer pressure.

And yes... I am sure. My school is very very small (compared to urban high schools) and I know some of the smokers. And yes, that is the name of it. The "smoker's pit". There was a meeting for the smokers to discuss the new policy. It is all very formal. :)

Your designated smoker's corner is just like what my school has. Except the kids call it the "smoker's pit". There really isn't much of a difference.
 
Grummer, I can be around people drinking alcohol without taking in any of the substance. That's all I meant.

If the people drinking become belligerent or hostile, then their drinking will effect me. I don't hang out where people drink heavily like bars or clubs so that hasn't happened to me. I live a sheltered life. :shrug:

No doubt that alcohol makes people do stupid things. Alcohol is the most abused drug and it's socially acceptable. I can, however, sit in a restaurant where people are drinking and enjoy a meal without ingesting any of the drug.

FWIW, caffeine is a drug, too. I get a headache if I don't get my morning coffee. I makes me do stupid things faster and with more energy. :hyper:
 
That is the weirdest thing to hear that there are actual smoking areas for high schools. A rule is a rule, a law is a law and I don't understand any high school making an exception because its a government recipient.
 
hohDougRN said:
That is the weirdest thing to hear that there are actual smoking areas for high schools. A rule is a rule, a law is a law and I don't understand any high school making an exception because its a government recipient.
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The thing is... it is not illegal for students to smoke. It is illegal for a person to give them smokes. At least that's how it is here.

And they have a designated area so that students won't be doing it near the school or near younger students (and get them doing it too). It all makes sense... you just have to know the system.
 
For a student to be allowed to smoke at school, the parent has to sign a permission form. It's up to the parents whether they want to allow the teen to smoke. My sign a form for my kid to smoke? NEVER! :nono:
 
sallylou said:
For a student to be allowed to smoke at school, the parent has to sign a permission form. It's up to the parents whether they want to allow the teen to smoke. My sign a form for my kid to smoke? NEVER! :nono:
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Yeah, exactly. I'd like to know what those parents were thinking when they signed their kid's permission form to smoke. I think that the school should be less co-operative with kids being able to smoke near the school, but I guess they can't eliminate the problem.
 
Well as a smoker since my 14th age, sometimes it is not easy for parents to break teenagers smoking because the teenagers could became very addicted to the cigarette and would always fighting for it.

I have been smoking for about a month before my parents actually found out and I ran away from them for couples of time over the cigarette because they kept making big drama out of my habit and I can't stand with the crave, then one day, I walked behind the garage to smoke the cigarette and walk back inside the house. My dad was there and stare at me, I was like what? My dad say, "If you want to be a man, just tell me that you went outside smoking the cigarette or act like nothing happen". I finally stopped being qulity of smoking around my family and have been openly smoker since. I know some of my friends that start smoking and still smoking since their teenage, they told me that their parents cannot break their habit just as well as mine.
 
My mom started smoking at 14 because back then it was legal for 14 year olds to buy cigarettes and they didn't know kind of medical damage cigarettes could do back then. She only smoked for 8 years; I was never alive to see her smoke.
 
Ive read that nicotine is as addictive as heroin. The difference is you die fast with heroin and slow with nicotine.
 
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