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sallylou said:
Alcoholics can consume their drug of choice alone. Us nonsmokers inhale your second hand smoke along with you. Sorry, but your drug of choice affects others. Nothing personal, but I don't want to share your smoke.
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I'm sorry but alcohol abuse does hurt other people. Even aside from DUI accidents, ask any children who have grown up in families where one or both parents were alcoholics. Alcoholic parents can do a lot more long-term damage than second-hand smoke can do. (Sadly, alcohol use and smoking often go hand-in-hand, so the kids get a double whammy.)
 
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Second hand smoke is a class A carcinogen, along with radon, asbestos, benzene, etc. No smoking in my home. Our restaurants are smoke free.

I'll gladly enjoy a glass of wine with anyone. Wine contains polyphenols which may offer significant antioxidant protection. I don't drink excessively or hang out with anyone who does. I'm very careful about the company I keep.

Alcoholism is very harmful. It's one reason that we need more accessible mental health care. Any child that grows up with an adult with untreated mental health problems suffers. Many of these children grow up into adults who do not receive appropriate therapy. It's hard to break the cycle of dysfunction.

My family put the "fun" in "dysfunctional." No alcohol--just plain old crazy. I've had years of therapy, so I'm ok. Because of my own experiences, I'm very empathetic to others who suffered any kind of abuse in their childhood. If you had alcoholic parents, I'm sorry that you endured that. Every child deserves a fully functioning parent who takes care of her.
 
Reba said:
I'm sorry but alcohol abuse does hurt other people. Even aside from DUI accidents, ask any children who have grown up in families where one or both parents were alcoholics. Alcoholic parents can do a lot more long-term damage than second-hand smoke can do. (Sadly, alcohol use and smoking often go hand-in-hand, so the kids get a double whammy.)
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Yes I must agree with you.

I have an uncle, I love him yes but I don't like him.

Every family holiday I recall growing up, everyone had to hide alcohol or not buy a bottle of wine.

We all knew that if a bottle of wine was for the dinner table, it would be gone the night before.

A baby christening dinner, a bottle was missing and it was quite embarrassing as others arrived just for the wine and cheese toast. My uncle was deliriously happy and keeping everyone uncomfortable.

This is where the youngsters who grew up decided not to keep in touch with my uncle. He's a great-uncle and he has yet to see his great- nieces and nephews. He will probably not see them, sadly.

That's how bad the effect alcohol abuse has on families.

Like I said I love my uncle but I don't like the alcoholic uncle. We helped him but we can't help him until he wants the help.
 
sallylou said:
Second hand smoke is a class A carcinogen, along with radon, asbestos, benzene, etc. No smoking in my home. Our restaurants are smoke free.

I'll gladly enjoy a glass of wine with anyone. Wine contains polyphenols which may offer significant antioxidant protection. I don't drink excessively or hang out with anyone who does. I'm very careful about the company I keep.

Alcoholism is very harmful. It's one reason that we need more accessible mental health care. Any child that grows up with an adult with untreated mental health problems suffers. Many of these children grow up into adults who do not receive appropriate therapy. It's hard to break the cycle of dysfunction.

My family put the "fun" in "dysfunctional." No alcohol--just plain old crazy. I've had years of therapy, so I'm ok. Because of my own experiences, I'm very empathetic to others who suffered any kind of abuse in their childhood. If you had alcoholic parents, I'm sorry that you endured that. Every child deserves a fully functioning parent who takes care of her.
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I love you and your honesty. :ily: Thank you.
 
Mrs Bucket said:
Yes I must agree with you.

I have an uncle, I love him yes but I don't like him.

Every family holiday I recall growing up, everyone had to hide alcohol or not buy a bottle of wine.

We all knew that if a bottle of wine was for the dinner table, it would be gone the night before.

A baby christening dinner, a bottle was missing and it was quite embarrassing as others arrived just for the wine and cheese toast. My uncle was deliriously happy and keeping everyone uncomfortable.

This is where the youngsters who grew up decided not to keep in touch with my uncle. He's a great-uncle and he has yet to see his great- nieces and nephews. He will probably not see them, sadly.

That's how bad the effect alcohol abuse has on families.

Like I said I love my uncle but I don't like the alcoholic uncle. We helped him but we can't help him until he wants the help.
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I understand. My Dad was alcoholic. I loved him but he was hard to be around. He died at age 67 years from cirrhosis of the liver, from alcohol. It was a slow, agonizing departure. He threw away his life. :(
 
Reba said:
I understand. My Dad was alcoholic. I loved him but he was hard to be around. He died at age 67 years from cirrhosis of the liver, from alcohol. It was a slow, agonizing departure. He threw away his life. :(
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:hug:
 
Thanks, Mrs Bucket. I'm sorry that you and your uncle suffered so. Reba, I'm sorry that you lost your dad in such a tragic way. Childhood trauma leaves such a scar. I heal and yet I still grieve. Thank you both for sharing. :ty:
 
sallylou said:
Second hand smoke is a class A carcinogen, along with radon, asbestos, benzene, etc. No smoking in my home. Our restaurants are smoke free.

I'll gladly enjoy a glass of wine with anyone. Wine contains polyphenols which may offer significant antioxidant protection. I don't drink excessively or hang out with anyone who does. I'm very careful about the company I keep.

Alcoholism is very harmful. It's one reason that we need more accessible mental health care. Any child that grows up with an adult with untreated mental health problems suffers. Many of these children grow up into adults who do not receive appropriate therapy. It's hard to break the cycle of dysfunction.

My family put the "fun" in "dysfunctional." No alcohol--just plain old crazy. I've had years of therapy, so I'm ok. Because of my own experiences, I'm very empathetic to others who suffered any kind of abuse in their childhood. If you had alcoholic parents, I'm sorry that you endured that. Every child deserves a fully functioning parent who takes care of her.
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:hug: :fart: :Oops: here again :hug::hug:

its real sad that thing i know, one of my best mate from school is an alky in a bad way,slowly recovery and recently (good for him) decided to move out of a flat with another alky in attempt to break off the co-dependence/en-abling of this drinking habits, i think he finally seeing the light, but (im not holding my breath) and its real sad seeing all this. His father too was a alky, but not abusive just too cut off in his own ways getting 'high' as in drunk....it just wrecks everything.
Pardon the pun, but its real sobering to see all this, for many people we dont see this problem clearly , and all too easy to blame the individual (or them blaming the bottle) it take real guts to make a change especially when alcohol has truely gained a status as addictive, as destructive while its legal, this itself makes it very very hard to combat the problem.
Hope the smells gone now lol
 
Mrs Bucket said:
Yes I must agree with you.

I have an uncle, I love him yes but I don't like him.

Every family holiday I recall growing up, everyone had to hide alcohol or not buy a bottle of wine.

We all knew that if a bottle of wine was for the dinner table, it would be gone the night before.

A baby christening dinner, a bottle was missing and it was quite embarrassing as others arrived just for the wine and cheese toast. My uncle was deliriously happy and keeping everyone uncomfortable.

This is where the youngsters who grew up decided not to keep in touch with my uncle. He's a great-uncle and he has yet to see his great- nieces and nephews. He will probably not see them, sadly.

That's how bad the effect alcohol abuse has on families.

Like I said I love my uncle but I don't like the alcoholic uncle. We helped him but we can't help him until he wants the help.
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:hug::hug: same to you too

I understand, AND i have one thing to admit, I had problem with drink myself, but i have wisen up ALOT, like I finally have in the last 2 years gotten control of myself and how I drink. Now I love whisky, while so I only have like 1 or 2 nips (and this is not a lie!) in say 2 or 3 weeks, sometimes a months, not because I make this rule to control it, it is not even like that anymore. I simply dont see it as a need to feel sensation of the drink, i genuinely enjoy the whisky, its warmth, character and so on, and i still have total respect for the craft behind making these drams and at same time i respect myself and thus time to time, just relax to an evening reading books under the lamp with 2 kittens curling up next to me. It's nice, i realise drink doesnt have to be evil, or destructive its all a matter of seeing what way or how you intend to enjoy alcoholic beverages. I have No pressure to have another, or nor no pressure to abstain. I am probably the lucky few who can and has truely recovered. Some might not believe me or say 'time will tell' well i got too much respect for myself now, im doing very well in study and intend to have a good life, i wish i could teach people how to change to this focus, its good. Bit indeed I acknowledge I may never have been phyisologically an alky, i dunno know, dont really care about that now. Lastly, My father and my brother is want i call 'closet alcoholics', they go on binges and sometimes dangerously, (and hearing is leaking news from sister-in-law to my mum then to me, I hear the stories thats starting to sound its developing- it scares me - really does). My mum told he (my father) used to get up at 2AM in and drink white port!, and my brother drinks alot of wine on fridays to wind down from his stressful job as a CFO so yeah sometime lifestyle is used as a mask to these problems of inabiliy to cope with life/stress - it takes balls to say no im not gonna be stupid, 2 glasses is enough, time to go for a walk or do something you really like doing, like going out to the movies or something so drinking doesnt eventuate itself to become a problem.
I hope my sharing comes across well received as i dont want to pretend I never had problems -i did- but also I am saying it is possible to recover. I'm a living proof of it.
Cheers
 
yep childhood scar would be hard to erase, I have some shares of that too, but its not impossible to heal from it too.
 
I've healed and I have my own family now. I still grieve not having parents who loved me, though. I especially miss having a real mom. I don't grieve all of the time--just sometimes. I've talked to women in their 60's who still grieve for the real mother they never had. It's a primal need.

Alcoholism has a strong genetic component. If a person is a child of an alcoholic, it's probably not a good idea to drink. Add the family dynamics that a child of an alcoholic experiences and it's hard to break the cycle. Those who did break the cycle should be proud and honor themselves for their strength and compassion.
 
sallylou said:
...Alcoholism has a strong genetic component. If a person is a child of an alcoholic, it's probably not a good idea to drink. Add the family dynamics that a child of an alcoholic experiences and it's hard to break the cycle. Those who did break the cycle should be proud and honor themselves for their strength and compassion.
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That's one reason why neither my brother nor I drink alcohol.
 
Whoops didn't notice page three- topic evloved... nothing to see here, carry on.

/erase/How about a compromise we make cigs illegal and make pot legal ;) Have quit smoking programs or just let them change to weed.

(Never a drug user, excluding sugar)

;)/erase/
 
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