Audism - The Definition and the Audist View

Daredevel7 said:
This made me think.

Does this mean ALL hearing people should be able to "pick up" English easily too?

Even the foreign people? Odd that my Cuban grandmother never learned English other than "Thank you", "Where is the bathroom?" etc., despite living in America for over 40 years....

Apparently, you CAN escape from English... :)
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Bingo!
 
I wish we could transfer the conversation I am having in another thread. It covers of a lot the points here too. (Violation of Human Rights: Forcing a Child to wear CI)

But then again, we should get back to the topic of Definition of Audism and the Audist View. ;)
 
posts from hell said:
Shut your hole, please. There are PLENTY of hearing people with 'tremendous english language deficits'.... It is not an issue of the deaf.
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Daredevel7 said:
This made me think.

Does this mean ALL hearing people should be able to "pick up" English easily too?

Even the foreign people? Odd that my Cuban grandmother never learned English other than "Thank you", "Where is the bathroom?" etc., despite living in America for over 40 years....

Apparently, you CAN escape from English... :)
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Like I said above.
 
I just found out that the school I work at has a policy...if you're deaf and you want to teach there, you must take their writing test. Hearing teachers aren't required to take this test. WTF?

I don't know why but somehow they overlooked me when I was being interviewed...but maybe it's a good thing because I would have pitched a fit and not gotten the job. lol

But seriously, how can anyone condone this?
 
deafbajagal said:
I just found out that the school I work at has a policy...if you're deaf and you want to teach there, you must take their writing test. Hearing teachers aren't required to take this test. WTF?

I don't know why but somehow they overlooked me when I was being interviewed...but maybe it's a good thing because I would have pitched a fit and not gotten the job. lol

But seriously, how can anyone condone this?
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lol damn
 
deafbajagal said:
I just found out that the school I work at has a policy...if you're deaf and you want to teach there, you must take their writing test. Hearing teachers aren't required to take this test. WTF?

I don't know why but somehow they overlooked me when I was being interviewed...but maybe it's a good thing because I would have pitched a fit and not gotten the job. lol

But seriously, how can anyone condone this?
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Damn, I've even met hearing teachers who couldn't write. :pissed:
 
deafbajagal said:
I just found out that the school I work at has a policy...if you're deaf and you want to teach there, you must take their writing test. Hearing teachers aren't required to take this test. WTF?

I don't know why but somehow they overlooked me when I was being interviewed...but maybe it's a good thing because I would have pitched a fit and not gotten the job. lol

But seriously, how can anyone condone this?
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That's audism. All teachers should be required to take the test.
 
Yeah. I just found out this morning. I was like, whoa.

Of course you know me...I can't let this slide. I got to address it somehow, but delicately because I'm still on probation as a new employee. Sitting tight isn't my thing.

If they are going to require this test, then ALL teachers should have to take it, not just deaf teachers. UGH!
 
deafbajagal said:
Yeah. I just found out this morning. I was like, whoa.

Of course you know me...I can't let this slide. I got to address it somehow, but delicately because I'm still on probation as a new employee. Sitting tight isn't my thing.

If they are going to require this test, then ALL teachers should have to take it, not just deaf teachers. UGH!
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Totally agree. That is really messed up.....

I guess they assumed that all hearing people automatically know how to write well....

It would be kinda funny if they implemented this required test for everyone (hearing or deaf) and realized that a lot of hearing teachers failed this test!
 
I just realized something....

Is it a written test instead of an oral test (given to hearing people)? Or simply a test to assess your writing skills?
 
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Writing test to make sure you can write decently. That's what the admin told me. My mouth dropped.
 
!!! I once met a school psych who couldn't write decently. Needless to say, I was amazed. Of course she did not have a hearing problem, but some evidence of a disrupted education.

Be careful. This is an egregious violation of rights. Maybe they implemented the policy after they hired you. I can see from here that you will pass. Wouldn't be surprised if some teachers, not handicapped other than LD, would fail.
 
MCB said:
So, we might be able to say that people who don't use nonverbal communication very much and who are e-x-t-r-e-m-e-l-y audist are sometimes defensive, threatened by those who know how to read body language? They don't want to have their dishonesty found out?
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Excellent point. And non-verbal communication also applies to that which is verbal, but has obvious underlying meanings that are not spoken.:cool2:
 
Daredevel7 said:
This made me think.

Does this mean ALL hearing people should be able to "pick up" English easily too?

Even the foreign people? Odd that my Cuban grandmother never learned English other than "Thank you", "Where is the bathroom?" etc., despite living in America for over 40 years....

Apparently, you CAN escape from English... :)
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What she was referring to was being able to "pick up" a native language. And yes, everyone can do that. It is exactly why deaf kids don't need formal instuction in ASL to become fluent in a short amount of time.
 
deafbajagal said:
I just found out that the school I work at has a policy...if you're deaf and you want to teach there, you must take their writing test. Hearing teachers aren't required to take this test. WTF?

I don't know why but somehow they overlooked me when I was being interviewed...but maybe it's a good thing because I would have pitched a fit and not gotten the job. lol

But seriously, how can anyone condone this?
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That is blatant discrimination. Hearing teachers need to be tested, too, if writing skills are the issue. Many, many can't write worth a darn!
 
MCB said:
!!! I once met a school psych who couldn't write decently. Needless to say, I was amazed. Of course she did not have a hearing problem, but some evidence of a disrupted education.

Be careful. This is an egregious violation of rights. Maybe they implemented the policy after they hired you. I can see from here that you will pass. Wouldn't be surprised if some teachers, not handicapped other than LD, would fail.
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I will have to say, as a psych, that my writing skills were not great when I began working on my Bachelor degree. However, by the time that I achieved my Ph.D., my skills were greatly improved, just by the fact that I had to write numerous papers in a particular format during my schooling and training. Psychology is generally a very research based field, and writing research reports in APA format constantly improves one's writing skills.

But, that just goes to show...writing is a skill that is learned. Hearing status has nothing to do with the ability.
 
jillio said:
I will have to say, as a psych, that my writing skills were not great when I began working on my Bachelor degree. However, by the time that I achieved my Ph.D., my skills were greatly improved, just by the fact that I had to write numerous papers in a particular format during my schooling and training. Psychology is generally a very research based field, and writing research reports in APA format constantly improves one's writing skills.

But, that just goes to show...writing is a skill that is learned. Hearing status has nothing to do with the ability.
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:thumb:
 
jillio said:
What she was referring to was being able to "pick up" a native language. And yes, everyone can do that. It is exactly why deaf kids don't need formal instuction in ASL to become fluent in a short amount of time.
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Ah.. a native language. Well, considering a newly born individual is in need for ANY language, so yes they tend to pick up one. However, I am talking about someone who already has a L1 that isn't English. You CAN escape "picking up" English even if it's prevalent around you, like my grandmother. She got by around herself, took the bus, ran errands, etc. without knowing more than a handful necessary phrases in English.

It really depends on the individual, I suppose. Someone can become fluent in Italian while studying abroad in Italy for just a summer. However, I think motivation has a lot to do with it.

I love and admire my grandmother, but she definitely wasn't motivated to learn more English than she needed to know. :)
 
Daredevel7 said:
Ah.. a native language. Well, considering a newly born individual is in need for ANY language, so yes they tend to pick up one. However, I am talking about someone who already has a L1 that isn't English. You CAN escape "picking up" English even if it's prevalent around you, like my grandmother. She got by around herself, took the bus, ran errands, etc. without knowing more than a handful necessary phrases in English.

It really depends on the individual, I suppose. Someone can become fluent in Italian while studying abroad in Italy for just a summer. However, I think motivation has a lot to do with it.

I love and admire my grandmother, but she definitely wasn't motivated to learn more English than she needed to know. :)
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I will disagree. My German grandmother lived with us when I was a child. My L1 language is English. I never sought to "pick up" or learn German. Yet I did, simply by exposure. The same way with ASL. Only in the beginning did I actively seek to learn. After I became conversation in ASL, I no longer sought to learn. I simply exposed myself to the language in social situations and learned from that. And I learned far more that way than in a formal learning situation.
 
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