Audism - The Definition and the Audist View

Are you a mortician?
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I think a mortician would have a good understanding of people whose (relative) lack of body-language while speaking indicates a dishonest way of life.

As a late-onset hoh person, many people have noted that I use a lot of body language. I think it may be a Native cultural thing. I know very little ASL.
 
MCB said:
I think a mortician would have a good understanding of people whose (relative) lack of body-language while speaking indicates a dishonest way of life.

As a late-onset hoh person, many people have noted that I use a lot of body language. I think it may be a Native cultural thing. I know very little ASL.
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"Lying" was a play on words by Beowulf. A different meaning.
 
MCB said:
Isn't it difficult to lie when using ASL? I have seen successful liars who use very little body language when talking. To the point that lack of body language is a clue that the person is lying.
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I think so. The Deaf tend to be far more transparent and those who read body language also know that body language doesn't lie. So, like you say, the fact that a person is trying hard to hide a lie in their body language only emphasizes that they are lying.
 
So, we might be able to say that people who don't use nonverbal communication very much and who are e-x-t-r-e-m-e-l-y audist are sometimes defensive, threatened by those who know how to read body language? They don't want to have their dishonesty found out?
 
MCB said:
So, we might be able to say that people who don't use nonverbal communication very much and who are e-x-t-r-e-m-e-l-y audist are sometimes defensive, threatened by those who know how to read body language? They don't want to have their dishonesty found out?
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GrendelQ said:
I don't think there is such a thing, is there.
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What?? Does she mean hearing people?
 
MCB said:
So, we might be able to say that people who don't use nonverbal communication very much and who are e-x-t-r-e-m-e-l-y audist are sometimes defensive, threatened by those who know how to read body language? They don't want to have their dishonesty found out?
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Nope...nobody really cares about that except for wives who supsect their husbands of cheating on them or gamblers.
 
rebeccalj said:
I think so. The Deaf tend to be far more transparent and those who read body language also know that body language doesn't lie. So, like you say, the fact that a person is trying hard to hide a lie in their body language only emphasizes that they are lying.
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My friend's hubby and one of her good girlfriends managed to hide their affair from her for two years and both are ASL users. So, nope..not far more transparent than non-signers.
 
MCB said:
So, we might be able to say that people who don't use nonverbal communication very much and who are e-x-t-r-e-m-e-l-y audist are sometimes defensive, threatened by those who know how to read body language? They don't want to have their dishonesty found out?
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I don't know if it's just strictly dishonesty. My experience with hearies is that they don't like to be transparent. They are uncomfortable being around deafies who are very good body language readers. There are generally no secrets in the Deaf world but lots and lots in the hearie world.
 
shel90 said:
My friend's hubby and one of her good girlfriends managed to hide their affair from her for two years and both are ASL users. So, nope..not far more transparent than non-signers.
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I'm not really referring to ASL users. It's hard for me to explain. I am not a fluent ASL user but I am a very good body language reader. In terms of the Deaf, and body language, the Deaf are far more transparent than hearies. I'm sorry I wasn't more clear.
 
rebeccalj said:
I'm not really referring to ASL users. It's hard for me to explain. I am not a fluent ASL user but I am a very good body language reader. In terms of the Deaf, and body language, the Deaf are far more transparent than hearies. I'm sorry I wasn't more clear.
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I grew up in the hearing world until I was 28 years old and now have been involved in the Deaf community for the past 10 years. I dont see any difference. It all boils down to one's personality. Who is a good liar and who is not. Just my two cents.
 
rebeccalj said:
I don't know if it's just strictly dishonesty. My experience with hearies is that they don't like to be transparent. They are uncomfortable being around deafies who are very good body language readers. There are generally no secrets in the Deaf world but lots and lots in the hearie world.
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I agree. People don't like to be transparent, because others can take advantage of the least little flaw. It is only a generality. There are exceptions.
 
I have just woken up, I too, need that coffee Jillio :giggle:

There has been a sudden swing from definition of Audism to an evaluation between Sign Language and English! Ok. Sign Language should be respected in equal rank to the main language of a respected country, and in this case, English and as it is the most common-denominator language internationally also. Being in a multi-lingual environment I have come to respect all languages. None are more superior than the other expect one. That one is our 'native' language.

Many communities and people groups around world are fighting to perserve theirs. D/deaf are no exception. Sign Language to the D/deaf is vitally important. Native language defines identity for a human being. My hearing husband speaks several languages, but when he gets to speak in his own native language, I don't deny him the right or pleasure when meeting with others that speak it, even though I cannot understand what is being said (apart from visual cues) (not much different to what it is like for me with English anyway despite that English is the first language I know)

Now that I have been introduced to Sign Language, it has become such a relief for me as it is I am recognising that it comes naturally to me. (This doesn't mean that I don't take time to learn the various signs for things, but I am able to begin to use it quickly and comprehend a lot faster than other languages, as in fact I had been using visual cues all my whole life unknowingly for comprehension - body language, facial expressions etc).

So, my point is that when sign language is pushed aside as not inclusive and not necessary in consideration of the deaf child/person's need and not given equal ranking with other main languages = Audism/Discrimination/Abuse of Human right

As for English (as it is the one referred), just as Jillio says, a deaf child will learn English because it is out there all around them.
 
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BecLak said:
I have just woken up, I too, need that coffee Jillio :giggle:

There has been a sudden swing from definition of Audism to an evaluation between Sign Language and English! Ok. Sign Language should be respected in equal rank to the main language of a respected country, and in this case, English and as it is the most common-denominator language internationally also. Being in a multi-lingual environment I have come to respect all languages. None are more superior than the other expect one. That one is our 'native' language.

Many communities and people groups around world are fighting to perserve theirs. D/deaf are no exception. Sign Language to the Deaf is vitally important. Native language defines identity for a human being. My hearing husband speaks several languages, but when he gets to speak in his own native language, I don't deny him the right or pleasure when meeting with others that speak it, even though I cannot understand what is being said (apart from visual cues) (not much different to what it is like for me with English anyway despite that English is the first language I know)

Now that I have been introduced to Sign Language, it has become such a relief for me as it is I am recognising that it comes naturally to me. (This doesn't mean that I don't take time to learn the various signs for things, but I am able to begin to use it quickly and comprehend a lot faster than other languages, as in fact I had been using visual cues all my whole life unknowingly for comprehension - body language, facial expressions etc).

So, my point is that when sign language is pushed aside as not inclusive and not necessary in consideration of the deaf child/person's need and not given equal ranking with other main languages = Audism/Discrimination/Abuse of Human right

As for English (as it is the one referred), just as Jillio says, a deaf child will learn English because it is out there all around them.
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the fact is that deaf children do not simply learn english because it is all around them. It doesn't happen. Many deaf children have tremendous english language deficits, including issues with reading.

again, i disagree that simply because you do not choose asl as your primary language (as a deaf adult) or for your child (as a parent) that it makes you an audist.
 
faire_jour said:
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the fact is that deaf children do not simply learn english because it is all around them. It doesn't happen. Many deaf children have tremendous english language deficits, including issues with reading.

again, i disagree that simply because you do not choose asl as your primary language (as a deaf adult) or for your child (as a parent) that it makes you an audist.
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Shut your hole, please. There are PLENTY of hearing people with 'tremendous english language deficits'.... It is not an issue of the deaf.
 
As with any language that is not your native language, you need a desire to learn it and like I have said many times before, it can be done. But, has it ever occurred to you that more than likely many struggle with it because it is enforced as mandatory? (Have you missed that I come from a multi-lingual environment?)
 
posts from hell said:
Shut your hole, please. There are PLENTY of hearing people with 'tremendous english language deficits'.... It is not an issue of the deaf.
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I wouldn't use your choice of words in the first phrase :giggle: but I agree that it is not a issue of the deaf and if saying that it is, wouldn't that be considered audist?
 
posts from hell said:
Shut your hole, please. There are PLENTY of hearing people with 'tremendous english language deficits'.... It is not an issue of the deaf.
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True, very true. I know plenty of hearing people who cannot read and write better than a fourth grader.
 
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