Audism - The Definition and the Audist View

[TXgolfer]

Off topic. And unrelated to audism. Please stop trolling. You are entitled to believe that audism doesn't exist. However, you are not entitled to make fun of those that know it does.

A) I am not trolling....I am within the OP
B) I am not making fun of anyone. I merely state being offended is a choice
C) My comment spoke directly to another post.....a hearing person discussing another hearing persons speech.
D) Since audism was compared to racism by you and others my post is relevant in that regard as well.

 

[deafbajagal]

There's a difference between feeling offended and feeling oppressed.

 

[jillio]

A) I am not trolling....I am within the OP
B) I am not making fun of anyone. I merely state being offended is a choice
C) My comment spoke directly to another post.....a hearing person discussing another hearing persons speech.
D) Since audism was compared to racism by you and others my post is relevant in that regard as well.

Speech used by Harry Reid was in a different context. And just because Obama is black doesn't mean that it had anything to do with racism.

Unless you are willing to define audism you are out of bounds. Definition and clarification is what clears up misperceptions. But then, one has to take care of one's own misperceptions before they can take care of another's.

BTW: I did not compare audism to racism. I compared it's manifestation to that of white priviledge. A completely different concept.

 

[jillio]

There's a difference between feeling offended and feeling oppressed.

A huge difference!

 

[TXgolfer]

There's a difference between feeling offended and feeling oppressed.

No doubt.....There is also a difference between feeling oppressed and being oppressed. I prefer to focus on being oppressed. I believe that is the larger problem.

 

[jillio]

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i'm gonna disagree with this. I have seen LOTS of Deaf people notice and complement childrens' ASL skills. Both deaf children and CODAs.

That is not the situation that Shel was referring to. Of course, a Deaf adult will complement a deaf child on their sophisticated use of language...particularly if that child is a deaf child of hearing parents. That is being supportive of the child, and indicating to them that they are accepted. Completely different situation than what Shel was talking about.

 

[TXgolfer]

BTW: I did not compare audism to racism. I compared it's manifestation to that of white priviledge. A completely different concept.

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Check my post 124. There will always be racists, and there will always be audists. Simply because there are always people who need to point out what they believe is the inferiority of another in order to achieve a feeling of superiority for themselves. Those people have their own issues to deal with. The concern is to do as much as is possible to eradicate audism and/or racism, and/or sexism, and or any other destructive belief system that serves to harm another group of people.

 

[jillio]

No doubt.....There is also a difference between feeling oppressed and being oppressed. I prefer to focus on being oppressed. I believe that is the larger problem.

And oppression of the deaf does not exist without audist beliefs that support it.

 

[deafbajagal]

Audism is the belief that the hearing view is superior than the deaf view. Thus, it is the trigger for oppression.

When I feel oppressed, it's because I'm experiencing oppression.

There is a large group of people who makes decisions about me and for me in regards to deafness without ever considering asking me as a deaf person for input. They even define me for me. That's audism.

 

[jillio]

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That is not a comparison. It is a statement of the existence of two separate groups of people. You need to scroll back further to see where I made a comparison. And my post was a response to your post mentioning racism. Tell the whole story.

But seriously, you are still not defining audism, and therefore, you are doing nothing to clear up misperceptions. You are, however, effectively demonstrating numerous misperceptions and examples of audist statements.

 

[jillio]

Audism is the belief that the hearing view is superior than the deaf view. Thus, it is the trigger for oppression.

When I feel oppressed, it's because I'm experiencing oppression.

There is a large group of people who makes decisions about me and for me in regards to deafness without ever considering asking me as a deaf person for input. They even define me for me. That's audism.

Absolutely it is.

Unless one believes, on some level, that hearing is superior to being deaf, the oppressive actions would not occur. All behaviors are directly connected to a belief.

If one feels they are being oppressed, then in their world, they are being oppressed. Just because an audist belief attempts to define oppression for them does not mean that the oppression does not exist.

 

[TXgolfer]

Audism is the belief that the hearing view is superior than the deaf view. Thus, it is the trigger for oppression.

I buy that.....I have no problem with the narrow definition
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There is a large group of people who makes decisions about me and for me in regards to deafness without ever considering asking me as a deaf person for input. They even define me for me. That's audism.

How so? just curious.

 

[faire_jour]

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i'm gonna disagree with this. I have seen LOTS of Deaf people notice and complement childrens' ASL skills. Both deaf children and CODAs.

That is not the situation that Shel was referring to. Of course, a Deaf adult will complement a deaf child on their sophisticated use of language...particularly if that child is a deaf child of hearing parents. That is being supportive of the child, and indicating to them that they are accepted. Completely different situation than what Shel was talking about.

then why is it audism to complement a child's spoken english? It is a language too.

again, just because you value spoken english does not mean you do not value ASL or that you view hearing as better than deaf. And since that is what audism is, this example is not.

 

[jillio]

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then why is it audism to complement a child's spoken english? It is a language too.

again, just because you value spoken english does not mean you do not value ASL or that you view hearing as better than deaf. And since that is what audism is, this example is not.

Keep trying. You still don't get it.

 

[jillio]

I buy that.....I have no problem with the narrow definition
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How so? just curious.

Just curious...where do you think that oppression and discrimination come from? Do you think that they are just random acts?

 

[rebeccalj]

Another one. The notion that learning English (especially spoken English) is more important than learning formal ASL.

In high school, we have English classes. Not many high schools offer ASL classes (for formal learning). That's an example of a curriculum that is a product of audism.

Exactly!

 

[rebeccalj]

One aspect of Audism to me is when it is implied that without access to sound (by whichever means - CI or HAs or the like) or the ability to hear, one is incapable of achieving fluency in spoken and written language.

That is *SO* true!

 

[rebeccalj]

We are not without the ability to read between the lines of some posts, and we notice that audist views are consistent with a few certain hearing members. They wonder why we are constantly jumping down their throats. :roll:

The Deaf are much better at reading between the lines than hearies understand. We read people, and words, for a living.

 

[rebeccalj]

Way off target. You cannot compare two spoken language choices with the choice of a manual language evolved specifically to fit the unique processing needs of a particular population. To even attempt to do so is, frankly, an example of audism.

Greek is superior when attempting to communicate with the hearing Greek population, English is superior when attempting to communicate with hearing English speakers. ASL is superior in communicating with the deaf.

Very well said!

When I grow up I want to articulate like Jillio.

 

[rebeccalj]

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when communicating with the Deaf, yes, but the other 90% of deaf people use English, so no, ASL would not be helpful in communicating with them.

Because they haven't been given proper access to their native language from the beginning.