ASL, PSE, or SEE, which is superior

CrzyMeg said:
I didn't speak at all then I wouldn't be speaking to you now. anyways. SEE, second spoken english and then ASL
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CrzyMeg - SEE itself is not a language, ASL is. :)
 
CrzyMeg said:
I didn't speak at all then I wouldn't be speaking to you now. anyways. SEE, second spoken english and then ASL
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SEE is English. It is manualized English. English has many modes: spoken, written, and manualized.
 
which system has yielded the most positive results? Where would one go to even find this information?
 
rockdrummer said:
which system has yielded the most positive results? Where would one go to even find this information?
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ASL. Because it is structured to convey information based on visual processing. The other modes of English are structured to convey information based on auditroy processing, and putting them in a visual mode leads to confusion linguistically.
 
loml said:
rockdrummer - Would you provide your definition of "positive results", please. TQVM
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Isn't that self explanatory? The word positive would mean that results show improvement, or increased performance scores.
 
jillio said:
Then, English would be your first language!:P
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I do consider English my first language, especially since I speak so well. I was first taught SEE when I was a child; it wasn't until I was into my teens that I learned ASL was different. When I speak or write, it is fully gramatically correct, but when I sign, it is definitely ASL and not gramatically correct, but following the syntax of the ASL language. Just like Cheri described: ("Me go store" rather than signing out exactly "I am going to the store.") I speak far more than I sign because of my everyday environment, which is why I still consider English my first language.
 
AlleyCat said:
I do consider English my first language, especially since I speak so well. I was first taught SEE when I was a child; it wasn't until I was into my teens that I learned ASL was different. When I speak or write, it is fully gramatically correct, but when I sign, it is definitely ASL and not gramatically correct, but following the syntax of the ASL language. Just like Cheri described: ("Me go store" rather than signing out exactly "I am going to the store.") I speak far more than I sign because of my everyday environment, which is why I still consider English my first language.
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I would agree with you. English would no doubt be your first language. The only thing I would disagree with was the example of "Me go store." That is actually PSE, not ASL. ASL syntax would be simply, "Store, go."
 
Southern said:
ASL is superior, the other two are not true languages.
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Exactly! Many people seem not to understand that at all especially the educators who work with mainstreamed deaf/hoh children unless they had deaf studies or ed training/backgrounds. It has been so frustrating for me to explain this to them.
 
Southern said:
ASL is superior, the other two are not true languages.
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Yes, SEE is only a manual code to visualize the language of English. ASL itself is a true language instead of a manual code.
 
jillio said:
I would agree with you. English would no doubt be your first language. The only thing I would disagree with was the example of "Me go store." That is actually PSE, not ASL. ASL syntax would be simply, "Store, go."
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I haven't seen at least one deaf person who signed {Store, go} in ASL.

But, I pulled the ASL grammar, it says just the same I had say. {"GO-TO" sign, "ME GO-TO COLLEGE" it is still ASL, it is still a topic (ME) comment (GO-TO COLLEGE) grammar structure.}
http://www.lifeprint.com/asl101/pages-layout/grammar2.htm
 
Cheri said:
I haven't seen at least one deaf person who signed {Store, go} in ASL.

But, I pulled the ASL grammar, it says just the same I had say. {"GO-TO" sign, "ME GO-TO COLLEGE" it is still ASL, it is still a topic (ME) comment (GO-TO COLLEGE) grammar structure.}
American Sign Language (ASL)
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Then you haven't been around many ASL signers. The me is implied by the signer doing the communicating. The sign {GO-TO} is one sign, not 2 signs sequentially as would be seen in SEE. "ME GO-TO COLLEGE" is still PSE syntax. ASL syntax would be {COLLEGE GO-TO}. The signer could then simply nod their head, or use the {ME} sign.
 
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