"Are you Saved"

[hottiedeafboi]

Some pentecostal doesn't believe trinity either. Can u imagine, I keep seeing my ex sis in law when she punished her children by saying I slap you in the name of Jesus, and when washing machine broke, command satan to leave in the name of jesus and on she goes, I thought, what? By saying I slap you in the name of jesus, sound like using His name in vain. If a car broke down, the devil did that, if something broke, devil did that. I thought, oh my, I don't think that how that works. As of music goes, its cool, but the doctrine is way off.

 

[EyesBlueDeaf]

"Good acts" do not save people; only Jesus can save.

However, "good acts" by saved Christians are the expected results of salvation.

Jesus' message to people was repent and be saved, and then do good works.

Good Acts don't save people?! Aww man, a bunch of Jr High School kids trying to raise money for their school trip by having car wash today.. But it was pouring rain, I knew that no one would want to have their cars washed today. So I gave them money without getting my car washed. I saved 2 baby fawns from being run over cars by 'herding' them off the road. I helped my sister to nurse a baby robin that fell out of the nest until it was ready to be set free. I do good things all the time but I will not be saved just because of my sexual preference?!?

 

[Reba]

Good Acts don't save people?!

Ephesians 2
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Titus 3
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

Galatians 2
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

... I do good things all the time but I will not be saved just because of my sexual preference?!?

Sexual preference has nothing to do with salvation.

If you are not saved, it is only because you will not repent and accept the grace of Jesus Christ to save you thru His shed blood. Jesus doesn't refuse anyone who repents and seeks Him as Savior.

 

[Dennis S.]

Good Acts don't save people?! Aww man, a bunch of Jr High School kids trying to raise money for their school trip by having car wash today.. But it was pouring rain, I knew that no one would want to have their cars washed today. So I gave them money without getting my car washed. I saved 2 baby fawns from being run over cars by 'herding' them off the road. I helped my sister to nurse a baby robin that fell out of the nest until it was ready to be set free. I do good things all the time but I will not be saved just because of my sexual preference?!?

From a logical point of view, it's how Christians can justify "you need to come to church and give us money instead of going out and doing good things as described in the Bible."

When you're in a church that collects tithes, you'll invariably feel the pressure to tithe in order to fit in. You'll also be more exposed to times when the church begs for more money, more "giving from the heart" and "love donations." As long as they can get you into church, they can squeeze you for something.

 

[hottiedeafboi]

From a logical point of view, it's how Christians can justify "you need to come to church and give us money instead of going out and doing good things as described in the Bible."

When you're in a church that collects tithes, you'll invariably feel the pressure to tithe in order to fit in. You'll also be more exposed to times when the church begs for more money, more "giving from the heart" and "love donations." As long as they can get you into church, they can squeeze you for something.

Wrong. Not true. Yes, there are some preachers are doing that, like some televangelist. God forbid when using it improper. Thinking ALL churches are like that? NO. Many doesn't know what tithe and offering is. The Body of Christ join together. For example, deaf club, how the deaf club have the building, pay electric bills, water bills and etc. Thru the old testament God told the Jews about giving firstfruit, that is tithing and offering. God explain how and what and the purposes. Churches is similar, like God says God honors those who gives tithing by desire and heart to do so, God will not honor tithing with wrong attitudes. Old days are not like today, bec everything we are living is money, old days, they give each other food and a place for the pastor to live. Many many misunderstood what tithing is and don't know what the purposes of tithing. But have to becareful if the preachers are actually God's calling. I have seen on tv one of the pastor I never agree with, like Robert Tilton decieved many many people when he said if you give me 1000.00 dollars, watch how God bless you and many believes. I was appalled by that. Need to becareful what you say. Have to understand all are not the same.

 

[doc14845]

pentecostal

You are right..there are many people out there who wear the " I'm saved, pentecostal" label and act wordly, lies, steal, hypocrites....True pentecostal people does not look down other religions...I have nothing but respect for others..when I see other people who act in that way disgust me too...we are suppose to love all, and just teach...not condemn others..it is not my job or anybody job to look at someone and say, " you r going to hell". My job is just to witness, teach what is in the bible.. ( King james) not twist anybody arm...If you r a true saved person, then when you teach..the truth should reveal itself.......if when a person teach, and the truth isn't reveal, or the person contradict what they r teaching..then they really need to look at themself. ( smile)
just so y'all know.....I am Deaf, and teach Sunday School. I'm not a jehova witness, not that there anything wrong with that. I do not think, if you r catholic,or whatever then u r going to hell..(lol) But there is more to just living right, being kind to others. God has a purpose for all people. it is to worship him. I know it sound " selfish" of God..but...he did created us...when I say, to worship him..I don't mean to drop everything and forget everyone else. I just mean, to live for him, try to be christ-like.read his words,love ur enemies..by doing all those things and more, it is a form of worship.
For those who had bad experience with Pentecostal people...I'm sorry that happened, and I'm sure those people meant well...sometime they lose their focus, and get off track..it happens

 

[hottiedeafboi]

You are right..there are many people out there who wear the " I'm saved, pentecostal" label and act wordly, lies, steal, hypocrites....True pentecostal people does not look down other religions...I have nothing but respect for others..when I see other people who act in that way disgust me too...we are suppose to love all, and just teach...not condemn others..it is not my job or anybody job to look at someone and say, " you r going to hell". My job is just to witness, teach what is in the bible.. ( King james) not twist anybody arm...If you r a true saved person, then when you teach..the truth should reveal itself.......if when a person teach, and the truth isn't reveal, or the person contradict what they r teaching..then they really need to look at themself. ( smile)
just so y'all know.....I am Deaf, and teach Sunday School. I'm not a jehova witness, not that there anything wrong with that. I do not think, if you r catholic,or whatever then u r going to hell..(lol) But there is more to just living right, being kind to others. God has a purpose for all people. it is to worship him. I know it sound " selfish" of God..but...he did created us...when I say, to worship him..I don't mean to drop everything and forget everyone else. I just mean, to live for him, try to be christ-like.read his words,love ur enemies..by doing all those things and more, it is a form of worship.
For those who had bad experience with Pentecostal people...I'm sorry that happened, and I'm sure those people meant well...sometime they lose their focus, and get off track..it happens

Thanks BRO! I'm glad to hear that. Smile

 

[ismi]

If you are not saved, it is only because you will not repent and accept the grace of Jesus Christ to save you thru His shed blood. Jesus doesn't refuse anyone who repents and seeks Him as Savior.

Ah, but that is itself a work. And some Christians do boast of it. If, as you quoted Ephesians, we are, "saved by grace and not by works ... so that no man may boast", I think that's a bit of a sticky spot in the ol' theology.

 

[Reba]

...When you're in a church that collects tithes, you'll invariably feel the pressure to tithe in order to fit in. You'll also be more exposed to times when the church begs for more money, more "giving from the heart" and "love donations." As long as they can get you into church, they can squeeze you for something.

I don't know how people feel giving their tithe would help them "fit in". No one knows how much anyone gives except the treasurer and the financial secretary, and they're not allowed to share that information with anyone.

Our church never "begs" for money.

Why are you against "love donations"? I thought you would criticize Christians if they didn't give money to help people.

How do you think church ministries function if they can't pay salaries and utilities? How would they support missionaries? Obviously they need some money.

 

[Reba]

Ah, but that is itself a work. And some Christians do boast of it. If, as you quoted Ephesians, we are, "saved by grace and not by works ... so that no man may boast", I think that's a bit of a sticky spot in the ol' theology.

No, that's not a work by man. Christ did all the "work" on the Cross where He shed His blood.

There is nothing we can do ourselves to save ourselves. Only Jesus can save.

 

[ismi]

No, that's not a work by man. Christ did all the "work" on the Cross where He shed His blood.

There is nothing we can do ourselves to save ourselves. Only Jesus can save.

Not as you said it. You said if you are not saved ... it is because you haven't repented and accepted Christ (paraphrase, but conceptually accurate). That is, it is a choice, an action, to repent and accept Christ. If you'd said we are saved regardless of our actions (which is a bit too Calvinistic for my taste, but it's a possibility), that'd be a different story.