Are you Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

You support abortion as a form of birth control?

No, I am AGAINST it totally...

See my post carefully...


Originally Posted by Liebling:)))
I would say that I am part of pro choice, too. Why? Because I support women´s choice for abortion or adoption with good reasons and AGAINST death penalty, war and abortion as a birth control.

Cheri´s post
I would say a form of birth control would be not having sex if one wishes not to be pregnant or use a method of birth control to prevent pregnancies.

If they want to have sex then use right birth control like that http://z.about.com/d/contraception/1/0/H/1/-/-/BirthControlMethods.JPG, not use abortion as birth control. A lot of women in Russia use abortion as a birth control. They abort dozen of times. :(

If you support women choice to have an abortion that means you also support having those babies being put in trash bags, and thrown in dumpsters. :(

I personally never do that but women´s choice with good reasons have my respect as long as they do not consider abortion as form of birth control.

I do not beleive they throw fetus to trash bag but use them as science.


 
Hi two of you guys.

I don't mean to invovle with you..

I think you should just let the subject go, because I can tell it gets heat up here.

Some of your posts are actually offending and upsetting me a bit, same with GlaxayAngel's feeling about pro-lifers' comments here.

I don't want to see some (too) upset ADers can post a wrath comment toward each other. But, I think it's my fault a little because I brought an other thread about anti-adoption. But, I think it would be nice to see you guys cool down, it would effect ADers cool down and back off.

How's about that? Let the subject go and move on, can you?

Just thought. :)

:ty: for post here. Yes I can understand.

I am try to be neutral and respect anyone´s choice and has to against when anyone label women´s choice negative, no matter either I personally am not for it or not but accept the fact that each woman has different choice for their reasons.

Cheri, I will explain part of your post#637 when I am back from fitness studio couple of hours later.
 
Abortion clinics do that?


Yep. When they aborted my first unborn fetus at 11 weeks pregnant, I asked one of the nurses about this unborn fetus and what they do with it. She said it will go in the tiolet and flushed away. I was horrified when she told me this because, it seems to me that they have NO feelings when they throw this precious " life " away. :(
 
Reba :

I have a question I would like to ask you:

I am wonderin' if, the blood can be heard ( cries ) when the abortion began to rip the unborn fetus' body apart ?
 
No, I am AGAINST it totally...

See my post carefully...

Oh I get it now I thought you were speaking of being against the death penalty only, I got confused.


I do not beleive they throw fetus to trash bag but use them as science.
Are you saying my life experiences is based on a lie? I witness it myself when I was in the abortion clinic. they did put a garbage bag under my butt while on the operation table, and the fetus dropped right in there and then was carried out, I did asked where that was going, I was told it was going to the dumpster.

I pulled up some links that states where the fetus goes:

all unborn children who were aborted and disposed of in dumpsters

Abortion Torture Methods (have some pictures of trash cans where all the fetus goes <warning for those who cannot stand the sight of blood>
"The Truth"
Several bags were marked with the name of the aborted baby's mother, her age, the gestational age of the fetal child, the date of the abortion and a number
 
Reba :

I have a question I would like to ask you:

I am wonderin' if, the blood can be heard ( cries ) when the abortion began to rip the unborn fetus' body apart ?
Here is one website that includes descriptions of various kinds of abortions, at various stages of pregnancy.

Abortion Education @ abortioneducation.com: What Happens During an Abortion?

In the bar on the left of that page, click "What Actually Happens When Baby is Aborted", and then follow the links on each page to each trimester.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Because pro-lifers label mother´s abortion choice as a selfish, murder, etc. and think mother´s choice is worst which is not.

Label? where did I label anyone who had an abortion? all I did was provide the facts ..

Murder? why? because the fetus’s heart has already begun to beat by the time the mother misses her period and when women chooses to have sex without protection then they're taking the risks even if the pregnancy is unwanted or unplanned. It's their responsibility and they must be willing to deal with the consequences, and while I do agree that women should have the right to choose what to do with their own bodies but unfortunately what about the fetus? does this mean another human being who has no say in this matter? and ignoring the fact that there are two bodies that are involved, the mother's and the baby's..
 
This breaks my heart...:tears:
Yes, it's awful how a baby is just sold for parts, like an auto junk yard. :(

It also proves that the so-called "fetus" has a human brain, eyes, legs, etc. :hmm:

The abortionist tells the pregnant woman, oh, don't worry, it's not a baby, it's just a fetus. But that same abortionist tells the buyer, oh, yes, we can sell you human body parts. They are so two-faced!
 
Yes, it's awful how a baby is just sold for parts, like an auto junk yard. :(

It also proves that the so-called "fetus" has a human brain, eyes, legs, etc. :hmm:

The abortionist tells the pregnant woman, oh, don't worry, it's not a baby, it's just a fetus. But that same abortionist tells the buyer, oh, yes, we can sell you human body parts. They are so two-faced!


Exactly and one of the nurse at the abortion clinic told my old high school friend that it is not a baby it's just a small little pea..:confused:
 
Yes, it's awful how a baby is just sold for parts, like an auto junk yard.

I understand this problem. These letters are disgusted as I am not pleased to read them. At first, it was awful for me to think about the letters. I finally realized that how important for our babies survival what they need such as a new piece of lung replacement, heart, vessel, eye, and some parts because these babies died in the hospital. Their parents' choice whether they want to donate it to a research lab. We really cannot talk about bias. Wouldn't you be happy that your baby able to see something with his new eye? That's what it makes me happy that he can see as it is important for him to have a normal life.

The only thing that bothers me is both researcher buyers and medical sellers are greedy for money. A seller buys one little arm that could be about $50,000 dollars. It is legal for most states as long as they have a research/medical license. My opinion is that a deliver baby fee should be waived if the baby does not make it. Isn't that sound right to you?
 
I understand this problem. These letters are disgusted as I am not pleased to read them. At first, it was awful for me to think about the letters. I finally realized that how important for our babies survival what they need such as a new piece of lung replacement, heart, vessel, eye, and some parts because these babies died in the hospital. Their parents' choice whether they want to donate it to a research lab. We really cannot talk about bias. Wouldn't you be happy that your baby able to see something with his new eye? That's what it makes me happy that he can see as it is important for him to have a normal life.

The only thing that bothers me is both researcher buyers and medical sellers are greedy for money. A seller buys one little arm that could be about $50,000 dollars. It is legal for most states as long as they have a research/medical license. My opinion is that a deliver baby fee should be waived if the baby does not make it. Isn't that sound right to you?
The parts that abortionists sell are NOT used for transplants into living babies. They are used for research and commercial purposes. I suspect the aborted babies' mothers don't even know that the parts are being sold.

Organs that are for transplant are gotten from babies who die after birth, and are NOT SOLD. They are given freely as a gift of life from a donor family.

Those are two totally different situations.
 
Yes, it's awful how a baby is just sold for parts, like an auto junk yard. :(

It also proves that the so-called "fetus" has a human brain, eyes, legs, etc. :hmm:

The abortionist tells the pregnant woman, oh, don't worry, it's not a baby, it's just a fetus. But that same abortionist tells the buyer, oh, yes, we can sell you human body parts. They are so two-faced!

And, even I still don't understand why they charge the mothers who throw her newborn babies in the dumpsters elsewhere and at the same time, the abortion clinics do their job on the operation table and dump the newborn babies that the mothers who don't want to keep ?

Gee - I find this all ridiculous. It just makes no sense to me.
 
Here is one website that includes descriptions of various kinds of abortions, at various stages of pregnancy.

Abortion Education @ abortioneducation.com: What Happens During an Abortion?

In the bar on the left of that page, click "What Actually Happens When Baby is Aborted", and then follow the links on each page to each trimester.

Just read it - Ok, so that means this unborn fetus will scream, because of its heart beat is developed and the unborn fetus CAN feel the pain when the vacuum pulled its body parts apart. I HATE to even THINK about it, because it is soo cruel and the word pops up sayin' " murder ". :pissed: I feel soo sorry for the unborn fetuses who can't defend themselves inside the mothers' wombs.
 
And, even I still don't understand why they charge the mothers who throw her newborn babies in the dumpsters elsewhere and at the same time, the abortion clinics do their job on the operation table and dump the newborn babies that the mothers who don't want to keep ?

Gee - I find this all ridiculous. It just makes no sense to me.
You're right. :(

Have you heard of the Groningen Protocol? It's about euthanizing newborns (that's the next step):

the evangelical outpost: The Groningen Protocol:<br>Infant Euthanasia and the Substance View of Personhood

Paediatricians call for nationwide protocol for the ending of life of unbearably and incureably suffering newborns

Death by Committee

NEJM -- The Groningen Protocol -- Euthanasia in Severely Ill Newborns
 
This will chill your blood:

JUSTIFYING INFANTICIDE AND NON-VOLUNTARY EUTHANASIA

As we have seen, euthanasia is non-voluntary when the subject has never had the capacity to choose to live or die. This is the situation of the severely disabled infant or the older human being who has been profoundly intellectually disabled since birth. Euthanasia or other forms of killing are also non- voluntary when the subject is not now but once was capable of making the crucial choice, and did not then express any preference relevant to her present condition.

The case of someone who has never been capable of choosing to live or die is a little more straightforward than that of a person who had, but has now lost, the capacity to make such a decision. We shall, once again, separate the two cases and take the more straightforward one first. For simplicity, I shall concentrate on infants, although everything I say about them would apply to older children or adults whose mental age is and has always been that of an infant...
the fact that a being is a human being, in the sense of a member of the species Homo sapiens, is not relevant to the wrongness of killing it; it is, rather, characteristics like rationality, autonomy, and self-consciousness that make a difference. Infants lack these characteristics. Killing them, therefore, cannot be equated with killing normal human beings, or any other self-conscious beings...
No infant - disabled or not - has as strong a claim to life as beings capable of seeing themselves as distinct entities, existing over time...
The birth of a child is usually a happy event for the parents. They have, nowadays, often planned for the child. The mother has carried it for nine months. From birth, a natural affection begins to bind the parents to it. So one important reason why it is normally a terrible thing to kill an infant is the effect the killing will have on its parents.

It is different when the infant is born with a serious disability. Birth abnormalities vary, of course. Some are trivial and have little effect on the child or its parents; but others turn the normally joyful event of birth into a threat to the happiness of the parents, and any other children they may have.
Parents may, with good reason, regret that a disabled child was ever born. In that event the effect that the death of the child will have on its parents can be a reason for, rather than against killing it...
Infants are sentient beings who are neither rational nor self- conscious. So if we turn to consider the infants in themselves, independently of the attitudes of their parents, since their species is not relevant to their moral status, the principles that govern the wrongness of killing non-human animals who are sentient but not rational or self-conscious must apply here too.
read more: Taking Life: Humans, by Peter Singer

It gets worse. :(
 
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