Another 5 yrs old arrested

[Angel]

If you (any ADer) were the teacher, how exactly would you handle the situation?

The important step is to always remain calm, try to think of a way to handle this kind of behavior, I know alot because I'm a parent myself and I do have a 5 years old child, and he does throw a few fists around, cause that how little ones get the attention and they know it upsets the parents, so they love doing it just to make us mad...

If I was a teacher, I would try to change her mind by thinking of something else to do, to see if it will get her to forget what she is doing, or dropping the act she is doing in the classroom, when she calms down, I will discuss nicely about her behavior and telling her it is not acceptable in this classroom, if it happens again, she wouldn't be able to be part of the group with the other students in the classroom, she would spend her time sitting on a time-out chair or will be sitting out in the hallway, if she contiune this kind of behavior the next day or a couple days later, then hopefully her parents will be able to deal it from there, it does take a village to raise a child, so therefore the teacher and the school should show their part in this and try to get the child to calm down instead of bring the police into this situation....Otherwise, there will be too many parents coming in complaining how the school handle this when they could have handle it in the better way or a better solutions....Afterall, there are alot of children who misbehave in school, calling a police doesn't solve a problem, it makes the matter worse, every child has their behavior problems, it not because the child has problems at home, we're speaking about a 5 years old child, its very common for a little one acting this way, if someone had said, well my child doesn't then I don't believe it, I have three children of my own, I have nephews and nieces, and even cousins, they all have their share of bad behaviors, calling the police on a little child isn't a better solutions, there are other solutions you can do to keep the child calm and discuss it with the child when the timing is right, not in the middle of what is happening otherwise, you're making it worse, like this teacher on the video kept following the little girl around back and fourth , saying no no no, that not remaining calm and it is also not making the child to calm down either....

 

[Angel]

Honestly... I found this situation bit sad and funny because many people are still using wrong methods, wrong laws, wrong legislations, wrong everything to solve this problem which getting worser and worser annually. I mean, even people were thinking that transferring their kids to private or religious schools will solve but they were shocked that some students are still behaving aggressively and violently toward the teachers and other school officals. So what next? Heavily drugged? Physically abuse?

What many people and what wrong methods, laws, legislations, everything to solve this problem, care to explain a bit deeper?...

And have you watched the video? what aggressively and violently did this 5 years old girl did?...

 

[Angel]

Angel & AD'ers, curious about certain situation... what will you do if a high school student, 200 lbs veteran football player becomes violence in the classroom? Constrain clearly aren't working (so far I know, the school policy do not allow us to constrain any older than certain ages). Time-out surely aren't working (for high school kids? Please). So... what kind of solution do you think that will solve that situation beside call the cops?

That's a totally different situation Magatsu, and this isn't about a high school student but a 5 years old child, of course a time-out for kids in middle school, jr high, high school will not work, because there isn't any time-out chair there either, I don't know where you got that idea from anyways, but they have suspend, or kicked out or they would either call the police if violence fight happen in or on the school property....

I have no problem with the school calling the police on a high school kid, but I do have a problem with the school calling the police on a 5 years old child....

Even though I respect your opinon and view there, but I disagree with you totally!...

Thanks for your explaining what you meant above

 

[Angel]

That's ok, Angel because I superby-totally disagree with your views & opinions as well ;]

Superby - totally disagree with my view and opinion on this 5 years old girl? I see....

 

[Cheri]

That's ok, Angel because I superby-totally disagree with your views & opinions as well ;]

Anyway like what I said in my previous posts, my opinions are somewhat radical for this community so I rather to bow out of this topic. Have fun, folks.

What's your point exactly? You agree that the 5 yrs old should gotten arrested? How would you feel if that was your child?

 

[Cheri]

Cheri, did I say that? I reread my posts and I didn't say that.

Here's my exact comment:
In other words, I don't think that is good idea for anyone to call the cops.

What I was disagreeing with Angel's post (second paragraph) at: http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=321556&postcount=22

What is wrong with Angel's post? Have you ever worked with 5 yrs olds? Honestly Magatsu?

 

[Cheri]

Whoa Magatsu :-o

Is that the Magatus I know? Ok...Well it not that I don't believe you, I asked a simple question, and thanks for your answer.

 

[sara1981]

i watch news about that girls in office for hit teacher and police got cuffs her and dont see it!

but i think teacher is more money!,magatsu and i dont think teacher would have lousy MONEY! but teacher is more money for education kids! i knew it! i would approve it!

I don't think so. Teacher's salary is lousy. There is safety policy in schools that teachers are required to move the violently child(ren) out of the classrooms for other students' safety.

im sure if her parents would sold story about that girls maybe include People magazine hope so! wait and see what's happened!

if i have kids please dont hit teacher and hit the prinicpal like that but that girls totally CRAZY!

Sara Boyce

 

[SpiceHD]

WHOA WHOA WHOA..... that girl is a BRAT! im sorry but if im her mother i would have told teacher its okay to slap her face at least once ... ( I dont believe in beating kids up but once in a while it WILL help) it will shock her into calm... you see.. the kid already knows she have the control and she likes it. i saw how hard teacher tries not to do anything that is wrong and could get her in trouble. i think police did right thing... she need help .. the kid that is. poor teacher! how can she have patience with her for so long? she would not even stop going up on table at all and she dared to hurt the teacher... man! poor adults this time. I dont feel bad for the girl. she does deserve it and to me teachers did everything they could to calm her down .. heck she even asked her to sit down more than once and i dont even need an interpreter to understand that!

Poor teachers! Shame on her mother... im sorry but... if she doesnt come to school... or do SOMETHING about her behavior.... SHAME on her!


thats my opinion.

 

[Cheri]

WHOA WHOA WHOA..... that girl is a BRAT! im sorry but if im her mother i would have told teacher its okay to slap her face at least once ... ( I dont believe in beating kids up but once in a while it WILL help) it will shock her into calm... you see.. the kid already knows she have the control and she likes it. i saw how hard teacher tries not to do anything that is wrong and could get her in trouble. i think police did right thing... she need help .. the kid that is. poor teacher! how can she have patience with her for so long? she would not even stop going up on table at all and she dared to hurt the teacher... man! poor adults this time. I dont feel bad for the girl. she does deserve it and to me teachers did everything they could to calm her down .. heck she even asked her to sit down more than once and i dont even need an interpreter to understand that!thats my
opinion.

Spice, That girl is 5 yrs old, Most 5 yrs old always try to get attention by adults, If you watched the video the teacher did not do a darn thing. Just standing there with her radio, How is that helping the child clam down? It is danger to all the children in the classroom, The teacher still did not do a darn thing. Yes, that girl did act subborn but she is only 5 yrs old. and first time in school to learn to share with other children, learn to respect an adult, Before they started school, they are at home all the time they might not have any brothers or sisters, What she did in that class room was not obeying the teacher's requested, That is exactly what she did. That is harmless. Compare to someone who brings a weapons to school. I am starting to think home schooling is gotta be much better than public schools, Cuz honestly the system is screwed up.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Very interesting thread here.

Yes I saw video and disagree what the police did to 5 years old.

I will add my opinion here later.

 

[Opal]

I support the idea to see a problem child to be remove from the classroom because of safety, and it will upset other peers to watch it all. Children with problem such as ADD, AHDD, Teachers here won't accept them because of safety reasons, home schoolling is other choice! Again Parents is children's responsibility!! children come to school to study - not waste their valuable time to watch this fight. (I know myself because I was so scared watching a boy in my classroom fight with teacher all the time, at High School. Later I learnt he had ADD!!)

I am disappointed to know they call the police for this little 5 years old, because it will teach them that police are evil and monster to them in the long run!!

Police came to my daughter's primary school regular to give a friendly talks about everything, it is good example for children to know they are good citizens and help them out. It give them a good relationship between them.

Anyway about how teacher handled this situation. I don't know if it is wrong or right but I believe they should've call that kid's parent and demand them to pick their daughter up and let them handle their own kid. That's what I did as one-to-one specialist several times at mainstream school & deaf schools. I did everything according to the school policy, nothing more or less than that. One kid's parent were getting so annoyed with that and decided to take the responsibility for that student's violently behavior through discipline, healthier diet, therapies, etc... That student that I worked with didn't behave aggressively or violently toward me, students or teacher any more. I no longer need to call them to pick their kid up. That tells lot about responsibilities. Like it or not, parents are the biggest role in kids' lives... Teachers and others aren't but yes, they do have some role (keyword: some) in kids' lives.

Good post.

 

[downing]

Hmm. I think school went over board on this issue.

I have three yrs old that throws the nastist temper Tantrum.

The teacher should have taken the child out of classroom, isolate her from getting hurt and have someone call the child's parents to come over and pick the child up rather calling the police. Calling the police is bit too extreme for my taste.

When i was a kid, there was a kid in other classroom that had serious behavior problems, the teacher had to use umm vinegar or rubbing acholol on towel to cover the boy's face to calm him down, and called the parents to come to pick the boy up, the parents gave permission to teacher to use this method to calm him down. I found this to be weird but it works everytime.

There should be ways to calm a kid down, not just handcuffing. hmmm. :thumbd:

 

[SpiceHD]

Spice, That girl is 5 yrs old, Most 5 yrs old always try to get attention by adults, If you watched the video the teacher did not do a darn thing. Just standing there with her radio, How is that helping the child clam down? It is danger to all the children in the classroom, The teacher still did not do a darn thing. Yes, that girl did act subborn but she is only 5 yrs old. and first time in school to learn to share with other children, learn to respect an adult, Before they started school, they are at home all the time they might not have any brothers or sisters, What she did in that class room was not obeying the teacher's requested, That is exactly what she did. That is harmless. Compare to someone who brings a weapons to school. I am starting to think home schooling is gotta be much better than public schools, Cuz honestly the system is screwed up.

we can discuss this more on AIM if u d like :-D i honestly disagree with u here... the teacher did NOTHING wrong. the kid just didnt listen. and the kid's mother didnt come pick her up. what can u do when u cant beat them up with ruler (thank god teacher cant anyway lol) you cant even touch the kid in fear they might think you are beating the kid up, and you cant even force the kid to have a time out nothing... so how can they have a control of the situation when the kid COMPLETELY wouldnt cooperate ? I would call cops... Hell.. if it was my own kid and i have plm with my kid.. i would call cops on my own kid if i feel it will do anything. Oh yea.. u really need to check the office one not class one.. . give me a min to find taylor's post and give u the link to office... man thats worst one of all!

I grew up in a kind of tough love family. if i get in jail.. i cant call my dad to come bail me out. cuz thats not what dad is for. however i can call my dad and ask for advice. ... my point is.... the kid is spoiled and she need to straight up... quick!

 

[SpiceHD]

heres the link from taylor's post http://www.sptimesphotos.com/video/office.html now watch that one careful. YOu will see how hard teacher trys not to do anything wrong yet she have to put her off table and guess what... she kept on coming back and back and back... plus she was trying to protect BOTH of herself and the kid when the kid try to hit the teacher. Try to put yourself in her position and you KNOW all rules school have to prevent any big conflicts like mother suing you. and then u try to manage her. I d like to know how different u would do it . yea cheri.. its a challenge Im very curious of what u would do

 

[Taylor]

Some things I'd like to add here...

The child was not arrested....she was handcuffed but was not arrested. This girl will have no record of this incident.

The schools hands are tied. The teacher is attempting to get the girl to calm down. For those that say that the Teacher should just try to talk to the girl and that will make things better....the teacher did do that.

What doesn't the teach restrain the child? It was suggested that the child be put in somewhat of a gentle bearhug until she calmed down. Thats good in theory but the teacher is not allowed to do that, so what choice does the teacher have? Also, calling for the teachers firing is absurd...the teacher did not do anything wrong.

The teachers are not allowed to do anything physical to the child...not even restrain them. You'll notice that as soon as the teacher grabs the girl off of the table, she releases the child...which is what they are supposed to do.

The teacher does everything that she is allowed to do and it doesn't work. They call the mother and the mother says that she won't be coming to the school. The school is left with no other option to but to call the police...and the police did what they are supposed to do.

Gone are the days when teachers could discipline a child. Back when I was in school, corporal punishment had already been taken out of the system, but that didn't stop teachers or principles from setting some kids straight. I remember seeing a kid act up and when the teach told him to sit down and keep quiet, the student raised his middle finger at him. The teacher grabbed him by the shirt, picked him up off the floor and walked him (hanging in the air) to the principles office. Nowadays, that same teacher would have been required to say 'Son...that isn't polite...here is your lollipop and I'm politely asking you not to do that anymore.....'

Spice brings up an excellent point....Why is a 5 year old in control of this entire situation? Its because the teachers cannot take control...they will either get fired or get sued...and they don't make enough money to risk either one. So, that leaves 2 options...call the parent or call the police. If the parent doesn't come, then the police have to. If the mother didn't want the police involved, she should have immediately made arrangements to have the child picked up. I know that can be difficult, but obviously she wasn't too concerned about the situation.

Another thing I wanted to ask was what if the teacher had infact restrained the child? The headline would then be 'Teacher Puts 5 Year Old in Bear Hug for 45 Minutes'. The school would still get sued...the teacher would still get fired...and the police would still be called, but on the teacher instead of the child.

Magatsu, while you say that your theories are too radical, but you bring up an excellent point. There is a much, much deeper problem here, and it isn't with that teacher, principle nor the police officers.

 

[Opal]

Some things I'd like to add here...

The child was not arrested....she was handcuffed but was not arrested. This girl will have no record of this incident

.

If we parents handcuffed our children, it is abused.

The schools hands are tied. The teacher is attempting to get the girl to calm down. For those that say that the Teacher should just try to talk to the girl and that will make things better....the teacher did do that.

In the video, I feel this teacher ought to speak stern voice more.

What doesn't the teach restrain the child? It was suggested that the child be put in somewhat of a gentle bearhug until she calmed down. Thats good in theory but the teacher is not allowed to do that, so what choice does the teacher have? Also, calling for the teachers firing is absurd...the teacher did not do anything wrong.

The teachers are not allowed to do anything physical to the child...not even restrain them. You'll notice that as soon as the teacher grabs the girl off of the table, she releases the child...which is what they are supposed to do.

Bearhug is lovely to show you care and comfort - unfortunately it is no-no for teachers to do that!

The teacher does everything that she is allowed to do and it doesn't work. They call the mother and the mother says that she won't be coming to the school. The school is left with no other option to but to call the police...and the police did what they are supposed to do.

If mother didn't turn up, teacher must have her next-emergency ph no of next guardian as we sign on the form in case we are unable to collect kids, why can't they do that?

Gone are the days when teachers could discipline a child. Back when I was in school, corporal punishment had already been taken out of the system, but that didn't stop teachers or principles from setting some kids straight. I remember seeing a kid act up and when the teach told him to sit down and keep quiet, the student raised his middle finger at him. The teacher grabbed him by the shirt, picked him up off the floor and walked him (hanging in the air) to the principles office. Nowadays, that same teacher would have been required to say 'Son...that isn't polite...here is your lollipop and I'm politely asking you not to do that anymore.....'

I prefer old fashion discipline, than verbal warning to show the Adults are the one to obey, but without it, children are the winner.

Spice brings up an excellent point....Why is a 5 year old in control of this entire situation? Its because the teachers cannot take control...they will either get fired or get sued...and they don't make enough money to risk either one. So, that leaves 2 options...call the parent or call the police. If the parent doesn't come, then the police have to. If the mother didn't want the police involved, she should have immediately made arrangements to have the child picked up. I know that can be difficult, but obviously she wasn't too concerned about the situation

Another thing I wanted to ask was what if the teacher had infact restrained the child? The headline would then be 'Teacher Puts 5 Year Old in Bear Hug for 45 Minutes'. The school would still get sued...the teacher would still get fired...and the police would still be called, but on the teacher instead of the child.

This teacher will be label as peophille if she give kids bearhugs, silly world we are living in - sad but true.

If parents didn't turn up to collect kids after school hours, we sign the agreement form at my daughter's school that teacher will ring the Police and Social Worker to take care of my children as teachers are not their babysitter after school hours!!!

Magatsu, while you say that your theories are too radical, but you bring up an excellent point. There is a much, much deeper problem here, and it isn't with that teacher, principle nor the police officers.

Good post.

 

[webexplorer]

I watched the video clip about this girl. I think that she has a hyperactivity health problem, or she did not get good attention from her parents. Actually, I noticed that the teacher let her to do anything in her office. The teacher definitely got the wrong idea to put this kid in her office. It would be nice if Super Nanny from TV show shows up in the office.

 

[SpiceHD]

I watched the video clip about this girl. I think that she has a hyperactivity health problem, or she did not get good attention from her parents. Actually, I noticed that the teacher let her to do anything in her office. The teacher definitely got the wrong idea to put this kid in her office. It would be nice if Super Nanny from TV show shows up in the office.

LOL no teacher DID NOT let the kid do what ever she want... she try to block the kid from doing anymore damage without actually hurt her or herself or the school. she uses her arms and her body to block her from walking around without actually touching her in a way where it would get teacher in trouble and plus she kept on taking the kid down from the table and kept telling her to sit down... then when police arrived the kid finally sit down.

but You are right parents may not do something right to her to make her get attention. most likely shes using negative attention to get it instead of positive attention probably cuz her parents pay more attention to negative than positive. And no its definitely is good idea for teacher to put her in office cuz there will be no kids around that could be hurt from the kid. more safer for everyone including the troublemaker.

 

[SpiceHD]

Tamara asked,"If mother didn't turn up, teacher must have her next-emergency ph no of next guardian as we sign on the form in case we are unable to collect kids, why can't they do that?"

maybe cuz she got no one else to call? when i was in high school my dad was impossible to get in touch and he wouldnt even give permission for my school to call anybody else till i fake signature on paper wiht all names who can take me in when my dad cant. a 5 years old kid can t do that. So maybe its similiar situation?