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It came to my thinking!

I understand lots of older people with good speaking who decide to get CIs and some of them may not be getting satisfied.

I suppose, if older people who happen to wake up one morning and their hearing come back to NORMAL without TOOLS.

Will people with returning hearing and people with CI users have the same level of hearing ?

The reason is that I asked, I have noticed that lots of parents seem to think that having CI is the best if babies (12 months old) to receive CI then they may have receiving of having better hearing and speaking as possible as they can fit into the hearing world.

Of course we don't have enough or solid evidence as proof yet, as of now that CI technologies are getting better, FINE. But wait till 2015 as they will be teenagers is something what I am curious about.

sorry if my logically thinking does not make sense to you. just educating me here as i want lot of hearing parents need to think hard about what to do with discovery of having DEAF babies.
 
Sorry, I started writing and toward the end I realized it's kinda a rant...:giggle: I didn't know how strongly I felt about this.

I know many hearing parents that are terrified of having deaf children, they wouldn't know how to communicate with them and would be too lazy or selfish (in most cases) to even bother to learn or teach ASL to their child.

Therefore they will likely do everything they can to make sure their child can "fit into" the "hearing world" so they don't have to maybe break a nail doing something loving/sacrificial.

They are not willing to see the joys of perhaps a challenge but parents should love their child for how God created them and not change or give up because it might be a little difficult to learn a new language.

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I am hearing and so are most people I know, but it bothers me. I have many people that ask "Why do you want to be an interpreter? Why not just go for Special Ed. you don't need a certificate for that." Why are people that ignorant???

Deaf people are not retarded they simply can't hear just like some hearing people can't smell, walk or in rare cases taste. That doesn't make them retarded or incapable, that doesn't isolate them from the rest of society. Deaf individuals are just as smart and more than likely smarter because they can't listen to the garbage on TV or the radio.

For all of you ADers especially those of you who are Deaf, I appreciate you and if I can change how the hearing world works, I will do my best. All children and people for that matter need to socialize with kids their own age, and not just those of their same situation. I say mainstream the hearing students, teach them English and ASL as they are young, they can communicate with all hearing and Deaf. If Deaf children learn both then hearing children can too.

I know I plan to teach my children at LEAST English and ASL hopefully Spanish as well.
 
older people who happen to wake up one morning and their hearing come back to NORMAL without TOOLS.
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I try to resist saying this, but in this case, Jesus have return :giggle:
 
Will people with returning hearing and people with CI users have the same level of hearing
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I asked that question before, and I personally think what they hear CI isn't exactly the same what they heard with natural hearing. It's more of a brain thing because It heard before and decided to take sounds from CI and put it in that category. After that, it come close to natural. When people are hearing and immediately choose CI, it still take them awhile to adjust to all those funny noise that they hear. The reason I'm saying this because for years, I kept hearing this funny noise during rainy day. kinda like a white noise that keep repeating. I didn't know what it was but I ignored it because thought it was a fan or something. Then one day, I asked my husband what it was. He told me it was cars in the rain. Then suddenly it no long sounded like a fan, but sounded like water splashing.
 
Right I wasn't clear in my post. For late deafened people, I understand that they would have to adjust listening of hearing the different and new sounds once they get use to familizar the sounds knowing what the sounds are coming from. Once they know their new sounds as same as what natural hearing people hear. I wonder, will they have same level or number of percents for hearing something that they may have lose some of sounds that TOOL do not provide something that makes noises that CI users did not know that there were sounds that tools didn't make noises or does make noises.

Do you think babies get CI at the earliest age as much as they receives, so will they be able to speak and hear, just like normal hearing babies do. For example, (babies) CI users don't need to take speech therapy or following up on speech tests? I am aware that they (babies ci users) would be able to catch up on speaking and listening relying on the tools, but can they live without using speech therapy?

I know I have many questions about babies with implanted. There are none information based on babies who got CI at the early age and now they are teenagers. So where are the research information about it. Indeed, I am concerned how it affects babies' body that foreign object is inside babies' head, affects their self esteem issues and do they understand what deaf means to them? It does affect parents' opinions by the medical professionals provides on CI alone, without ASL.
 
Frisky Feline said:
Right I wasn't clear in my post. For late deafened people, I understand that they would have to adjust listening of hearing the different and new sounds once they get use to familizar the sounds knowing what the sounds are coming from. Once they know their new sounds as same as what natural hearing people hear. I wonder, will they have same level or number of percents for hearing something that they may have lose some of sounds that TOOL do not provide something that makes noises that CI users did not know that there were sounds that tools didn't make noises or does make noises.

Do you think babies get CI at the earliest age as much as they receives, so will they be able to speak and hear, just like normal hearing babies do. For example, (babies) CI users don't need to take speech therapy or following up on speech tests? I am aware that they (babies ci users) would be able to catch up on speaking and listening relying on the tools, but can they live without using speech therapy?

I know I have many questions about babies with implanted. There are none information based on babies who got CI at the early age and now they are teenagers. So where are the research information about it. Indeed, I am concerned how it affects babies' body that foreign object is inside babies' head, affects their self esteem issues and do they understand what deaf means to them? It does affect parents' opinions by the medical professionals provides on CI alone, without ASL.
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The research on CIed babies who are now teenagers is next to impossible to find.
 
Rachel is everywhere. Definitely a spokeperson.

there's only 8 entries. I can find just as many successful ASL deaf (or more).
 
Frisky Feline said:
Exaclty. Were they withhelding the information from people in reality. who knows.
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Don't think anyone was withholding info. There's just nobody, really; the FDA only approves CIs, not keep track of their success/failure. There are audiologists all over the country but imagine trying to get accurate information from them? Fat chance so......
 
If you really want to know I can get you contact information. But I doubt you want to talk to these people. If they got CI's 15-20 years ago, they were still very new, so only the strongest oral folks were doing it. www.cochlearimplantonline.com has lots of video interviews with CI users. You could look there.

I doubt you actually want the information, I see this as simply another thread to bash childhood implantation.
 
Frisky Feline said:
Exaclty. Were they withhelding the information from people in reality. who knows.
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I don't think it is so much a matter of withholding the information as it is that not enough time has passed to actually get longitudinal results.
 
Bottesini said:
Searching for CI user stories! | Facebook

This group is getting real life testimonials from teenage CI users.
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Awhile back, someone posted testimonials from teen users. However, those testimonials were taken out of context. When the actual study was accessed that those testimonials were taken from, it was specifically stated that those students who were doing the best, academically and socially, were using sign along with their CI and had a close alliance with the deaf community.

You may remember that thread, Bott. It was maybe a year or so ago.
 
jillio said:
Awhile back, someone posted testimonials from teen users. However, those testimonials were taken out of context. When the actual study was accessed that those testimonials were taken from, it was specifically stated that those students who were doing the best, academically and socially, were using sign along with their CI and had a close alliance with the deaf community.

You may remember that thread, Bott. It was maybe a year or so ago.
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I don't remember it. I am sure that is true. I thought FF said she thought there was nothing about it.

I just found that even if it was anecdotal evidence.

It doesn't mean I support it.
 
Bottesini said:
I don't remember it. I am sure that is true. I thought FF said she thought there was nothing about it.

I just found that even if it was anecdotal evidence.

It doesn't mean I support it.
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Oh, I realize that!:giggle:

To date, the research I referred to above is the only legitimate research I have seen. There just aren't enough CI users that have been implanted for the length of time necessary to get longitudinal results.
 
jillio said:
Oh, I realize that!:giggle:

To date, the research I referred to above is the only legitimate research I have seen. There just aren't enough CI users that have been implanted for the length of time necessary to get longitudinal results.
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From whom will this information come?
 
Those kinds of information wont come along or if anything it wont be easily obtained. This is not that it is 'withdrawed' or 'withheld' or such but because it was already 'pre-emptied' even before 'that said' to be considered. in other words, it was not recorded at all, it seem teachers/educators and associated professions have already been 'shaped' by audist's 'sense' of direction of what is important and not important, so consequently, the 'result' whether intended or not, the students, it matter not what age range, be they are young implantees or teenagers or adults or middle or old age, however it would be fairly 'obvious' to us that whatever concerns for young implanted
deaf people is somewhat downplayed in terms of the need for statistics. If we look harder at how they (they occupied in 'medical' or 'linguistic' or 'educational' fields, their outlook on how cochear implant affects young deaf people are shaped with an interpretation that said to align with emphasis on 'success focus' rather than 'failure focus' which of course is 'well suited' to the 'positive enlightened scientific' attitudes that is encased in the modern 'way' of 'thinking'.,erm a mindset if you will. Just my angle on it...if you're not sure what i meant here, think 'new', new new,' new and improved', technology, 'safe', new, 'awareness', professional, new and better new and newer, etc (see the pattern?)
 
I have met some screwed up kids that got implanted at 12 months. I say screwed because they were kept in a restrictive environment with so so speech and listening skills, that could be acheived with ASL and a bit speech therapy. They were cognitive behind normal kids.

Guess I am trying to say; don't expect too much.

BTW, welcome back Jillio! :)
 
faire_jour said:
If you really want to know I can get you contact information. But I doubt you want to talk to these people. If they got CI's 15-20 years ago, they were still very new, so only the strongest oral folks were doing it. www.cochlearimplantonline.com has lots of video interviews with CI users. You could look there.

I doubt you actually want the information, I see this as simply another thread to bash childhood implantation.
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Just keep on putting down deaf people's viewpoint, dont ya? You just continue to be rude.
 
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