America is losing religion more and more everyday.

[Cheri]

you do not avoid from the sin and you will go hell.

God forgives whose who asked for forgiving for their sin. You have no right to say that, Jesus never would say something like most christen like you would. God would not approve that of you at all. Better watch what you say or you going to regret it. Every people on this earth have sin, What I have sin is between me and God alone not you not anyone else on this entire earth. Am I being clear to you on that part?

1"Do not judge others. Then you will not be judged. 2You will be judged in the same way you judge others.

You did judged, Read what you have stated

Therefore, we need to ban homosexual marriage at any cost.

That came from your post.

Homosexual people charge our tax and insurance too much because of HIV/AIDs research and STD/STI research/drugs

Error on your part again, Homosexual are not the only people are the ones spreading HIV/AIDS. You could get it too if you have sex more than one person without protection, or you could get it from blood transferring Don't blame only the homosexual.



I personally think this thread should be locked It is not going anywhere "Repeating are repeated".

 

[deafdyke]

Just keep in mind - it has been translated over and over during all the centuries it has been in existence. Not every translation is perfect. And even then, the translator will have his own biases, prejuduces, opinions and POVs inserted...who can resist changing a few words here and there to fit your own beliefs?

Excellent point..... it's been translated and translated to death.....there are concepts and words in other languages that cannot and do not translate themselves well to other languages.

Homosexual people charge our tax and insurance too much because of HIV/AIDs research and STD/STI research/drugs

WRONG!!!!!!! Yes, there is a high rate of HIV infection and of STD infection in SOME GB populations, but that is b/c some men are idoits and have it in their heads that being gay means to have mindless announmous sex. There are gay males who go to bathhouses yes, but there are aslo many straight men who go to whorehouses and who are irresponsbile in their sexaual activites.

 

[Crazymanw00t]

God forgives whose who asked for forgiving for their sin. You have no right to say that, Jesus never would say something like most christen like you would. God would not approve that of you at all. Better watch what you say or you going to regret it. Every people on this earth have sin, What I have sin is between me and God alone not you not anyone else on this entire earth. Am I being clear to you on that part?

Error on your part again, Homosexual are not the only people are the ones spreading HIV/AIDS. You could get it too if you have sex more than one person without protection, or you could get it from blood transferring Don't blame only the homosexual.

You are very misunderstood from my comment. I did not say, “you do not avoid from the sin and you will go hell" from my own thoughts but to summary whole thing from bible. The ideal comes from bible.

Jesus said, "If you call, Lord Lord and I never knew you and go away!" Also Jesus talked about bad fruits and good fruits. I have to walk down to my room to pick up a bible to find verses of those comments.

Anyway, you do not avoid from the sin and you will go hell, means that you became Christian, and you accept the lord as your savior. You knew those sins are bad and you should not do it. But you ignore lord's command to you to turn away from sin. So you kept doing sins and you ask for forgive for all time and you just refuses to give up those sin life. They are bad fruits and Jesus will cut them down from his tree. That is what I am talking about with my comments. It is very different between struggling with sin and refuse to give up their sin life. You had problems with sin and you cannot quit it very easily but you are trying it. You pray for forgiveness and quit doing those sins. God will know that you are a good fruit.

Again you got misunderstood, too. Maybe you did not read all my previous post. I was talking about if America fall from being most powerful country and they will blame on homosexual because of .... what I told on my post.

 

[IcedTeaRulz]

Hmmm, very interesting to read this topic...

II Timothy 3:16

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God..."

 

[Cheri]

You are very misunderstood from my comment. I did not say, “you do not avoid from the sin and you will go hell" from my own thoughts but to summary whole thing from bible. The ideal comes from bible.

Jesus said, "If you call, Lord Lord and I never knew you and go away!" Also Jesus talked about bad fruits and good fruits. I have to walk down to my room to pick up a bible to find verses of those comments.

Anyway, you do not avoid from the sin and you will go hell, means that you became Christian, and you accept the lord as your savior. You knew those sins are bad and you should not do it. But you ignore lord's command to you to turn away from sin. So you kept doing sins and you ask for forgive for all time and you just refuses to give up those sin life. They are bad fruits and Jesus will cut them down from his tree. That is what I am talking about with my comments. It is very different between struggling with sin and refuse to give up their sin life. You had problems with sin and you cannot quit it very easily but you are trying it. You pray for forgiveness and quit doing those sins. God will know that you are a good fruit.

Again you got misunderstood, too. Maybe you did not read all my previous post. I was talking about if America fall from being most powerful country and they will blame on homosexual because of .... what I told on my post.

Next time make your own comment or ill put you on ignored list because, It does seems like you making your own comments and adding quotes from the bible the same time. Keep that in mind.

 

[bbnt]

God is the Author of His Word.
Heb. 1:1-2 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"

II Tim. 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God..."

all written by man without any influence from God

 

[Crazymanw00t]

First of all, you lost respect for others, with that comments –

Go back to school and re-educate yourself in war history. Seem that you failed the history.

You could say, I believe you are wrong because ..... Please do not comment such like this and that is very negative spoken comment to othters. You need to educate that person just like I do with you with the bible. I am educating to you and you may choose to take my words straight to trash or keep it in your head. I have no power to make it in your mind.

The references are right there in the bible. 'Judge not, that ye be not judged (Matthew 7:1)' is a good start.

You need to read entry chapter of Matthew 7 to understand what that verses were talking about. For example, we said cocaine is bad. People will say why it is bad. We will have to explain why it is bad. Same with Matt 7:1 and you need to read entry of Matt 7 to understand why Matt 7:1 is appeared.

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BUSH and KERRY DO FLIP-FLOP. It is very hard for me to vote on Bush or Kerry because they don't have strong quality skill to able run the president office. Well I voted for Bush at last minute decision.
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Your rebuttal on my rebuttal to you
It is so clearly that you are very misunderstood on our society and identity of Christian.

Is it ok for christians to break the Ten Commandment (Adultery) repeatedly?

Jesus clearly said that you must turn away from SIN. Anyway, Ten Commandments created before New Testament (NT). Old Testament (OT) is very different with new testaments with forgiving the sin situation. OT they had to sacrifice the lamb to forgive their sins. NT, we only have to put our faith and follow Jesus Christ.
We also have to believe that Jesus Christ rose from death to forgive our sin.

Is it ok for priests (STRAIGHT, not homosexual) to molesting the kids?

Catholic has those problems not with Christian priests. I don’t know if there some of Christian priests doing like that and I don’t know if it is still there.

Is it ok for christians to impose their beliefs on other people and judge others when Jesus preached that no one can impose their beliefs or judge on others?

Forcing them to believe into Christian is not from true Christian people. I believe they are Independent Baptist. Independent Baptist Christian tends to do like that to force someone to believe in Jesus Christ. In later with those victims often fell away from believing with Jesus Christ because of forcing them to believe. It is wrong to do like that.

Do you know that AIDS/STD rates are way higher in heterosexual than homosexuals?

Yeah and do you know about Bi-sexual people with AIDs/STDs are much higher than both of it. Anyway my point was that when America will fall from being most powerful country and they will blame on homosexual people because of ….. All what I said

Adultery alone is more sin than 'homosexuality' (Actually homosexuality is not sin.. it is based on love but anyway.

In Jesus Christ’s system, he looks at holy person or sin person. It is like have no sin or has 1 sin. There is nothing how bad each sin is. All sins are equal with one sin.

You didn’t read my previous post about Homosexuality. Homosexual is SIN and it is clearly. We know it is about love but it is bad because of SIN. What would you think Satan will try to stop us to hear from truth, so Satan set-up a rebuttal to Jesus with “love” on homosexual’s situation to confuses us with truth and understandings.

Check the Ten Commandement. There isn't any homosexuality in Ten Commandments. Shocking, is it?

Did you know about this?
1 Corinthians 6:9 NIV
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

Therefore, Homosexual is adultery. Therefore, Homosexual is SIN. Shocking, rite?

Do you know that God hates divorce? So why divorce rates are way higher in christians and 'red states' than in non-christians like liberals and blue states. Hmm? Maybe that's why red states are starting to worry about morals because they have low morals and family values to start with? That is a good possibility. I must investigate on that myself in the future.

Seriously, you are making me laugh. Red and Blue has nothing to do with divorce situation.

Back to bible verse, you need to read 1 Peter 1:7, Ephesians 5:21-33, and 1 Corinthians, chapter 7. It talks about marriage issue.

Anyway I believe high majority divorces are non-Christina. Jesus clearly, said that if both of you are Christian and your marriage will be stable. In addition, either of your panther is not Christian and your marriage will unstable. Read what I gave to you with the verses, and it says all

To general, people seem didn't really get these issues at all. Homosexuality is not sin. It is a love. God and Jesus encourages love, respect and social equality. Where did their teachings fail you? When did their teachings fail you? Oh wait, only God know when and where.

You are right that many people seems don’t get those points, for some reasons. They may be non-Christian. They refuse to understand or refuse to accept what bible said. For example, that you refuse to accept the bible stated that homosexual is sin.

God and Jesus encourage love, respect, and social equality; and at same time do not do sins.

You keep forgetting about SIN thing. SIN is very important part of our debates of this thread.
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This thread is good and we should not lock it because it makes us to have critical thinking and analyzes it.

 

[Crazymanw00t]

Next time make your own comment or ill put you on ignored list because, It does seems like you making your own comments and adding quotes from the bible the same time. Keep that in mind.

I need like what you are doing to keep me cleared up. I sometime forgot to tpye the main point of my comments but I thought that I already type or assumed that you knew what I am talking about. Thank you for speaking up and I really appreciate with that you did.

Yeah, it seems that you guys are little confused with bible or my opinion comments. I need to change my typing pattern to clear-up between bible and my opinions. Everytime I tpye or write I get better with my English and I am still improving with my English. I only need is feedbacks to improve my English so I uses AD.com, www.germantechnik.com, and at English Classroom/Course to improve my English.

 

[Reba]

Forcing them to believe into Christian is not from true Christian people. I believe they are Independent Baptist. Independent Baptist Christian tends to do like that to force someone to believe in Jesus Christ. In later with those victims often fell away from believing with Jesus Christ because of forcing them to believe. It is wrong to do like that.

I don't understand how someone can "force" someone else to believe in Christ. Not even God can "force" someone to believe. God gave people free wills, so each person decides whether or not to believe. Christians present the Gospel to a person, and the Holy Spirit convicts the heart. Then the person freely decides either to accept Jesus or refuse Jesus. No one can force that decision because it happens inside the soul.

 

[Crazymanw00t]

**I don't mean to label on the Independent Baptist but they tend to do like that.**

 

[Angel]

hmmm....

It's a sin to fall in love with someone?....

If a man fall in love with another man , and if a woman fall in love with another woman is a sin?

so, you're saying they all will go to hell because falling in love with same sex is a sin?...

You can't control your feeling for someone when it comes to falling in love....that doesn't make them a bad person or a bad sin for a start...

 

[Mizzou]

Questions

I see those different of kind that people believe or speak.

One thing: History Channel has bible story and it speak by man's word, NOT in bible story/GOD's word. It become fade like not fit into bible story. Al people sees and believe it.

Two thing: Some of religions are different opinions with write those bible to their OWN words from bible to personal bible.. for example, Mormon bible and HOLY BIBLE or Science Christian bible and HOLY BIBLE. They do read both! That make us see different between two books here.

Three thing: People are overworked and been working for 24/7 days. Will it able for us to go chruch or read our bible ? It falls much low numbers in USA. Also, some of people are fear to be saved or dead by tomorrow... leaving those.

Four thing: The liberties has bible sitting there, you can check it out because it is OLD. If you perfered to go and buy the new bible then it has been not corrected words in there. I have noticed once, have to take very careful to read this new bible that you buy. They or man typed, not write by hands not followed right from old bible to other.

Five thing: Gay people has believe in GOD and fit in their reiligon. I heard and met people with their believe reiligon like me baptisim and I am gay here. I talked with GOD sometimes, he gave me blessed with my witresses. He know who I am... I do talked with others, too. They are truly blessed by their belief.

I read the OPEN BIBLE and has different about blacks, women, gay, and ..... ofc religions. Lot people against and need to be judge by us. I do think we should take our personal fight for ourselves, not BUSH or President. I have no judge to dicuss about this. It is your and my responible. *sigh* that is it, I guess.

 

[Taylor]

**I don't mean to label on the Independent Baptist but they tend to do like that.**

I'm not an Independent Baptist, but I'm not sure exactly what you were getting at with this comment....

 

[Reba]

I'm not an Independent Baptist, but I'm not sure exactly what you were getting at with this comment....

I am an Independent Baptist, and I am not exactly sure either.

 

[DreamDeaf]

Originally Posted by Crazymanw00t

**I don't mean to label on the Independent Baptist but they tend to do like that.**

Reba:
I am an Independent Baptist, and I am not exactly sure either.

Crazymanw00t, please clarify what you mean by this. You are not making any sense, and I hope I am mistaken about your intent on her religious choice.

 

[Taylor]

I am an Independent Baptist, and I am not exactly sure either.

I knew he was talking about you but I'm hoping I misunderstood his intent.

 

[Reba]

It's a sin to fall in love with someone?....

If that person is not "available", such as married to someone else, or too young, or a close family member.

If a man fall in love with another man, and if a woman fall in love with another woman is a sin?

If they take action on that feeling, then yes, it is a sin.

so, you're saying they all will go to hell because falling in love with same sex is a sin?

Every sinner goes to hell for the same reason, for not repenting and accepting Jesus Christ as Savior. It doesn't matter which kind of sins because we have all sinned and fall short of the glory of God. We are all equally guilty in sin.

You can't control your feeling for someone when it comes to falling in love...

But you can control how you act on that feeling. We can't have a relationship with each person we might have a "feeling" for. For example, if a school teacher "falls in love" with a young student, would you think that it is OK? The teacher would say, "I can't control who I fall in love with, so it is OK for us to have a relationship." Or a husband tells a wife, "I fell in love with my secretary; I can't control my feelings, so we are having an affair." Is that OK?

Temptations happen. We have the power to either refuse the temptation or to surrender to the temptation. Yes, we can control our behavior.

 

[Reba]

I knew he was talking about you but I'm hoping I misunderstood his intent.

I suspected that.
Of course, since I am an "independent" Baptist, I can't speak for the others, just myself. Independent means "independent".

 

[DreamDeaf]

You know...I noticed something...Ravensteve is very good at this. He makes a thread, insert a few inflammatory sentences, and then sits back and watch the action. If he sees it lagging a bit, he will add a few more inflammatory comments and then it flares back up.

Very good, Raven.

 

[Y]

You know...I noticed something...Ravensteve is very good at this. He makes a thread, insert a few inflammatory sentences, and then sits back and watch the action. If he sees it lagging a bit, he will add a few more inflammatory comments and then it flares back up.

Very good, Raven.

LOL Thats why I love his threads very interesting ones...