America is losing religion more and more everyday.

What about other religions? Will star of David instead of cross on the seal offend Christians?

I don't think it would fly here unless it were within a Jewish community (and I have seen things like this in Jewish Communities). Now, if I went to Israel and that was the majority religion, I certainly wouldn't stand up and say 'I'm a Christian, therefore I demand that Israel remove the Star of David and remove any hint of religion'.

I'm a christian and have never been offended by any other religious symbol. I have no problem with Religious symbols within our community and our goverment. I would have a problem if they passed a law that said I had to be a Christian and sacrifice goats on Sunday's. That is where I believe the whole seperation of Church and State came about...and the government has never told me what I can and cannot practice (aside from sacrificing virgins in a volcano).

In a politically correct society, you can not please everyone. They can't refer to god in our courthouse, but I could say that I'm offended by the blindfolded woman barely wrapped in a sheet that represents justice (some could say she was into bondage...being blindfolded and all ;) )
 
Hey agree with you. It doesnt offend me cause youre in their neighborhood! Its like me going to yankee stadium cheering for my orioles with yankee fans booing at em. Its their ballpark their home field and their ground rules. You put up with it for awhile. If you dont like it stay in your own ballpark and chher for your home team with your home fans. So if you dont like watching people praying to a wall, Reading the koran in arabic or looking at buddah get the hell outta their neighborhood and go back to your christian neighborhood very simple.
 
ravensteve1961 said:
Hey agree with you. It doesnt offend me cause youre in their neighborhood! Its like me going to yankee stadium cheering for my orioles with yankee fans booing at em. Its their ballpark their home field and their ground rules. You put up with it for awhile. If you dont like it stay in your own ballpark and chher for your home team with your home fans. So if you dont like watching people praying to a wall, Reading the koran in arabic or looking at buddah get the hell outta their neighborhood and go back to your christian neighborhood very simple.

pardon me..Im a christian and I live in midst of a Muslim community. I see their mosques and women walking around in long flowing gowns/veils everyday. Communities are becoming more and more diverse. You cant just go back to a christian neighborhood like that, Raven ...this is 2004 and United States has become a melting pot. We all have to learn how to get along and keep our noses out of other peoples business and let them pursue their own lifestyles without telling them what is right or wrong.
 
ravensteve1961 said:
I have been watching hannity and holmes all last week about this discussion that america is losing religion. First the ACLU says you must remove the cross of the seal of Los Angeles county cause it seperates between church and state Then state of alabama removed the 10 commandments staue. Then missisippi schoolboards say you cant bring a copy of The Declaration of Independence in classes cause it has the word GOD in it. Then several cites across america say you cant display the nativity on their streets. But theyre allow gays to partispate at the columbus day parade and on st patricks day. But you cant display the nativity in the christmas parade? thats bull! Sean hannity suggests we start fighting back against liberals and its starting to show little by little. If democrats cant figure out what went wrong on november 2nd they better listen very hard what america is telling them. I want president bush not only to fight hard put an amendment to ban same sex marrages in our consitution,But also to
put an amendment that religion is part of our culture. God belongs a part of america he helped us to be a nation of justice and freedom. It goes back to the story of moses who freed his people from the Egyptians and gave them freedom. Another group of christain people called the quakers who got on the mayflower escaped from england and landed on plymouth rock and founded freedom, I think that has a lot to do with GODs miracles.Everyone of the quakers had a bible with them and they followed gods laws and thank god everytime they had a meal. I think people should stand up against the ACLU and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! But we need a lot more folks get into this fight keeping religion in america. Mel gibsons movie (the passion of the christ) Woke up some people but he needs to put more bibical movies about the bible and freedom. I think we have to take a stand against the ACLU and liberalism.

Never in my life would I have thought I'd say this, but I agree with you. But, only to a point.

I think you have make valid points, but I also think that it goes both ways. I believe that Christians have a right to express their religious views, but I also believe that other religions ALSO have the same rights as Christians. Where I believe this line is becoming skewed is, too much deference is giving to non-Christians and Christians are getting shafted for it. I really believe that we are a "melting pot" of people. This country is made of many diverse people, and we as a country, MUST stop fussing over things and just learn to accept one another as the human beings that we are. We ALL have the same red blood running through us, and it doesn't matter what religion we practice or anything else.

Having said that, I DO NOT agree with you on the same sex issue. I believe there should be no such ban. Reason being, equality. We must stop being afraid of gay couples, and learn to accept them for the people that they are. I really believe that the reason so many people are discriminated against is because, we fear them. We fear them, because, we don't understand them. Simply put, we fear what we don't know. The solution to this, of course, is information. We need to take the time to learn about the people around us. If we did that, we may end up a better nation for it.

I hope we can someday.

**stepping off soapbox and handing it to the next person**
 
I suggest yall read the bible about the wages of sin. Homosexaulity is a very grave and immorial sin. AIDS is gods punishment on homosexaulity. Even Rev jerry falwell mentioned this. If people would read genius on adam and eve they know what sex between a man and a woman is about.
 
ravensteve1961 said:
I suggest yall read the bible about the wages of sin. Homosexaulity is a very grave and immorial sin. AIDS is gods punishment on homosexaulity. Even Rev jerry falwell mentioned this. If people would read genius on adam and eve they know what sex between a man and a woman is about.

Jerry Falwell?

Many, many Christians don't think too highly of Jerry Falwell. He's a disgrace to Christianity.
 
I listen to jerry falwell. The man knows more where our world and humanity where its going than anyone else.If we dont start turning things around we might not have a world to live in by the 22nd century.
 
ravensteve1961 said:
I listen to jerry falwell. The man knows more where our world and humanity where its going than anyone else.If we dont start turning things around we might not have a world to live in by the 22nd century.

No, he does not. Jerry Falwell has skeletons in his closet and they ain't pretty.

Especially the time he accepted millions of green bills from that idiotic Sun Myung Moon. It's disgusting how he publicly urged that Reagan pardon Moon's tax evasion conviction. Funny to think how he changed his tone on Moon after he was given the money. Before that, he would say anything to put down Moon, he even called for an exportation on the man.
 
Banjo said:
No, he does not. Jerry Falwell has skeletons in his closet and they ain't pretty.

Especially the time he accepted millions of green bills from that idiotic Sun Myung Moon. It's disgusting how he publicly urged that Reagan pardon Moon's tax evasion conviction. Funny to think how he changed his tone on Moon after he was given the money. Before that, he would say anything to put down Moon, he even called for an exportation on the man.

Most television evangelists are corrupt and should not be trusted. In my opinion, the only evangelist worth listening to is Billy Graham. The rest of them just want $$$$.
 
Agreed,
Steve, I have enjoyed your posts in the past but lately it seems to really be going overboard. From making cracks about the Native Americans to Women to Slavery. I know nobody here wants to be your enemy but it seems you are going out of your way to be offensive. I may be wrong, but thats the way I'm reading into it...your posts in the past were not like this and I'm not sure what changed.


Related to the thread discussion, I found a recent thread of a similar nature. While not religious in nature, it talks of losing the American Culture in America
http://alldeaf.com/showthread.php?t=12791

Why cannot someone go into an American Fast Food chain and the manager not be able to communicate in English.
 
With so many different ideas going about how to deal with the great mystery, society is taking a harder look at where they should entrench their faith at.

Not to mention that places displaying symbols of particular faiths will always be picked on by followers of faiths not represented in the symbols.

What we're seeing is a resurrection of the 30 years war without all the blood.

Richard
 
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I think nobody (included Government, President, Supreme court) to force religious in schools, public and within people. Because, People believe in different religious. Let them choose what they want to believe in It's isn't our power to make them have the same briefs as we do.



I also think that we have the right to have our freedom of religious and we can do whatever we want, such as prayer in private, going to church or not going to church. If we had laws to require one way religious I don't think United States would be in peace, There will be war there will be angry people, why? because you took that freedom away from people; Freedom of religious. :whistle:
 
VERY LONG with BIBLE VERSES

Ok, since you guys didn't use bible verses. So I am giving you the bible verse.
You can find it on www.biblegateway.com or look up at www.billygraham.org
It is very important for everyone of you to use bible verses to support your debate.

Main Topic of this thread- America's faith is fading away. Yes it is true because Bible said it.

So what does the Bible tell us about the end of the world and the Second Coming of Christ? Jesus said, "37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man" (Matthew 24:37, NIV). What were the days of Noah like? And what parallels do we see in our day?

One word that is used to describe the days of Noah is wickedness. The people were very wicked. The Bible says that every imagination of their thoughts was evil. It is as if they stayed awake at night thinking up new ways to do evil. It was a world in which marriage was abused. The people were corrupt and violent. It was a world in which violence prevailed: murders, wars, insurrections.

In the days of Noah there was a lot of religion, but it was a decadent religion. People were preoccupied with things, and they were taken up with their everyday living. They didn't make time to really know God.
from www.billygraham.org at http://www.billygraham.org/DMag_Article.asp?ArticleID=389

"1 And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. " (Rev 13:1-2 NIV)

"9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. (II Thess 2:9-10 NIV)

"16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name." (Rev 13:16-17 NIV)

"18 This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666." (Rev 13:18 NIV)

If you want to believe into Jesus Christ as your Savior, click on this link, http://www.gospelcom.net/guidance/gospel/

Homosexual in Bible Homosexual is the worst sin aganist God. We must BAN homosexual marriage at any cost.

"Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh" (Genesis 2:24, NKJV)

"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable" (Leviticus 18:22 NIV)

"'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." (Leviticus 20:13 NIV)

"9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-11 NIV)

"7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. " (Judas 1:7 NIV)


From www.billygraham.org at http://www.billygraham.org/LFA_Article.asp?ArticleID=128
Q: Are homosexuals born that way?

A: Many homosexuals hold to the belief that they were born that way, and there are some researchers who suggest, on the basis of several recent studies, that there may be a genetic predisposition toward homosexuality in some people. However, even those who argue this believe that certain environmental factors would also have to be present for the condition to develop. In any case, other scientists have challenged these studies, and there is presently no generally accepted scientific evidence that the homosexual inclination is inborn. Also, in a broken world, the discovery of a genetic link would not prove that such a condition was God's intent.

It must be emphasized that even if a biological predisposition to homosexuality in some people exists, it would not change God's opposition to the behavior. Neither would it change the fact that through the transforming power of Jesus Christ freedom from sinful behavior is always available. In addition, many strugglers discover growing heterosexual attractions as they address underlying problems with the help of competent Christian support and counseling.

A recent book which discusses genetics and homosexuality is "Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth" by Dr. Jeffrey Satinover. For a practical guide to overcoming homosexuality, the book "Coming out of Homosexuality" by Bob Davies and Lori Rentzel would be helpful. These books would be available through most Christian bookstores or by contacting Regeneration Books, P. O. Box 9830, Baltimore, Maryland 21284-9830, telephone: (410) 661-4337. Exodus International North America—P. O. Box 540119, Orlando, Florida, 32854, telephone: (888) 264-0877—provides information about homosexuality and Christian ministries which help those impacted by homosexuality.
 
Homosexual behaviour v the Bible
by Ann Lamont

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2004/0119behaviour.asp

19 January 2004

The issue of homosexual behaviour has had a lot of publicity of late. Homosexuals say that the slaves have been freed and women have been liberated, so gay rights are long overdue. Society does seem to be moving in that direction. Many homosexuals are ‘coming out’ and openly declaring their homosexuality. In many parts of the western world, homosexual couples receive the same recognition as heterosexual couples with regard to social security benefits, and they are seeking equal access to IVF treatment etc. Some church leaders are giving their blessing to homosexual relationships, homosexual church members and even homosexual ministers.

Homosexuals’ claims
Many homosexuals claim, firstly, that they are made that way. Secondly, they claim that homosexuality is of no harm to the participants or to anyone else. They thirdly claim that, if it feels right to those involved, it is nobody else's business. Fourthly, they claim that homosexual relationships and heterosexual relationships are equally valid. Some even claim that the Bible condones homosexual relationships.

Made that way?
Since other groups who have been discriminated against (such as women, blacks and the disabled) have been given equal opportunity, homosexuals claim that they, too, should be liberated. However, Pastor Andrew Lansdown, a member of the Baptist Union of Western Australia (BUWA) Task Force on Human Sexuality, states that ‘Gender, race and impairment all relate to what a person is, whereas homosexuality relates to what a person does.’1 In contrast, homosexuals claim that scientific studies have shown that there is a biological basis for homosexuality.

Three main studies are cited by ‘gay rights’ activists in support of their argument2—Hamer's X-chromosome research,3 LeVay's study of the hypothalamus,4 and Bailey and Pillard's study of identical twins who were homosexuals.5 In all three cases, the researchers had a vested interest in obtaining a certain outcome because they were homosexuals themselves. More importantly, their studies did not stand up to scientific scrutiny by other researchers. Also, ‘the media typically do not explain the methodological flaws in these studies, and they typically oversimplify the results’.6 There is no reliable evidence to date that homosexual behaviour is determined by a person’s genes.

To the extent that biological or social factors may contribute to a person’s bent toward homosexual behaviour, this does not excuse it. Some people have a strong bent towards stealing or abuse of alcohol, but they still choose to engage or not engage in this behaviour—the law rightly holds them accountable.

The final report of the BUWA task force states ‘that a person becomes a homosexual ultimately by choosing to be involved in same-sex activity ... . This is in contrast to innate characteristics such as gender and ethnicity.’7 The report affirms that ‘the Bible is clear that sin involves choice, and it unequivocally condemns homosexual behaviour as sin’.7

Foundations
The foundational teaching on marriage and sexual issues is found in Genesis chapters 1 and 2. When Jesus was questioned about marriage, He referred to these 2 chapters (Matthew 19:1–12; Mark 10:1–12). Genesis teaches us that ‘male and female He created them’ (Genesis 1:27). We were created to a plan—male and female complementing each other. That is, God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, nor Madam and Eve. Genesis also teaches that God instituted and designed marriage between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:18–25). There are a number of reasons why He did so.

Firstly, the complementary structure of the male and female anatomy is obviously designed for the normal husband-wife relationships. Clearly, design in human biology supports heterosexuality and contradicts homosexuality.

Secondly, the combination of male and female enables man (and the animals) to produce and nurture offspring as commanded in Genesis 1:28—‘Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth’. This command is repeated to Noah after the Flood (Genesis 8:15–17). But procreation is not the only reason God made humans as sexual beings. The BUWA report affirms ‘that sexual intimacy between husband and wife is good, and is intended by God for bonding, pleasure and procreation.’7

Thirdly, God gave man and woman complementary roles in order to strengthen the family unit. Woman was to be the helper that man needed (Genesis 2:18). However, the woman’s role as the helpmate is certainly not an inferior one. The enterprising God-fearing woman in Proverbs 31:10–31 is an inspiring role model.

No harm?
Andrew Lansdown points out that ‘homosexual activity is notoriously disease-prone. In addition to diseases associated with heterosexual promiscuity, homosexual actions facilitate the transmission of anal herpes, hepatitis B, intestinal parasites, Kaposi's Sarcoma and AIDS.’1 Research on the life expectancy of a group of homosexual men in Canada in the early 1990s indicated that they could expect 8–21 years less lifespan than other men.8

Effect on others
Secular psychologists assure us that ‘children raised in lesbian and gay households are similar to children raised in heterosexual households on characteristics such as intelligence, development, moral judgements, self-concepts, social competence and gender identity’.6The humanists have, however, forgotten one important ingredient. ‘Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it’ (Proverbs 22:6). You cannot faithfully teach God's Word to your children while living a lifestyle specifically condemned by God’s Word. All Christians are sinners forgiven by God's grace, but living in a homosexual relationship constitutes habitual, unrepented sin.

Nobody else's business?
Gay activists claim that homosexual activity is nobody’s business other than those involved in the relationship. However, this is not true. God, our Designer and Creator, has authority over all aspects of our lives. He makes the rules and He quite specifically forbids homosexual behaviour. ‘You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination’ (Leviticus 18:22; see also Leviticus 20:13). Disobedience of such a clear command indicates rejection of God's authority.

Some people argue that the Old Testament law (including Leviticus 18 and 20) was superseded with the coming of Christ. However, we should at least consider as binding those aspects of the law that are renewed in the New Testament. The teaching of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 was certainly reaffirmed in the New Testament.
 
Equally valid?
Some people claim that homosexual behaviour was only condemned in the Bible because it was associated with idolatry (e.g. 1 Kings 14:24). However, it is clearly condemned apart from idolatry as well (e.g. Leviticus 18:22). It is described in Scripture as an unnatural, immoral perversion. ‘For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another …’ (Romans 1:26–27). The Greek word ‘arsenokoitai’ used in 1 Timothy 1:10 literally means ‘men who sleep with men’. It is the same Greek word used for ‘homosexual offender’ in 1 Corinthians 6:9, variously translated as ‘abusers of themselves with mankind’ (KJV), homosexuals (NASB) or homosexual offender (NIV).

Some people claim that the sin involved in Sodom was rejecting hospitality customs or selfishness rather than homosexual behaviour. Certainly, the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah was great and their reported sin was grievous to God (Genesis 18:20). God sent angels to Sodom and ‘Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have sex with them”’ (Genesis 19:4–5).

‘While it is true that the Hebrew word yadha does not necessarily mean “to have sex with”, nonetheless in the context of Sodom and Gommorah, it clearly had this meaning. ... It means “to know sexually” in this very chapter when Lot refers to his two daughters not having “known” a man (19:8).’9 You would not offer virgins to appease a mob if their sin was lack of hospitality, but only if their desire was sexual.

Although Ezekiel 16:49 condemns Sodom for its selfishness with regard to poverty etc., this does not contradict its condemnation for homosexual practices. ‘The very next verse of Ezekiel (v. 50) calls their sin an "abomination". This is the same Hebrew word used to describe homosexual sins in Leviticus 18:22.’10 It is also used in Scripture to describe such things like the practice of offering children to Moloch, but never such things as mere selfishness or lack of hospitality. Even in legal parlance, the word used to refer to one aspect of homosexual practice is ‘sodomy’.

Another argument is that Jonathon and David were homosexuals as ‘Jonathan “loved” David (1 Sam. 18:3), that Jonathan stripped in David’s presence (18:4), [and] that they kissed each other (20:41)’.11 However, ‘David’s “love” for Jonathan was not sexual (erotic) but a friendship (philic) love. And Jonathan did not strip himself of all his clothes, but only of his armour and royal robe (1 Sam. 18:4).’12 Also, a kiss was a normal greeting in that day, such as when Judas kissed Jesus. In several cultures today, men normally greet each other with a kiss, too. Further, David’s love for his wives, especially Bathsheba (2 Samuel 11), clearly reveals his heterosexual orientation.

Isaiah 56:3 states that eunuchs will not be excluded from God’s presence (‘my temple’), but practising homosexuals are not eunuchs. Eunuchs have no sexual relations at all.

Other scriptural arguments for homosexuality can similarly be easily refuted. It is clear that heterosexual marriage is the only form of marriage sanctioned in the Bible and that homosexual practice is always condemned.
Punishment
The Bible not only describes homosexual behaviour as detestable, but it also calls for the punishment of those involved (Leviticus 20:13). Their unrepentant attitude caused God to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:24–25).

Just as homosexual conduct has been punished in the past, so it will also be punished by God in the future. ‘… Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God’ (1 Corinthians 6:9–10).

Hope
However, there is hope for the homosexual. God forgives and cleanses a person who repents and turns from their sin, including the sin of homosexual behaviour (1 Corinthians 6:11). As well as forgiveness, God’s grace brings with it the power to live a life that is pleasing to God (Romans 6:6–7). If repentance and reform are genuine, prior homosexual actions should not be a bar to church membership or ministry, as all Christians are reformed sinners.

‘Liberal’ churches espouse tolerance of homosexual behaviour in the name of ‘love’. They plug for the acceptance of homosexual conduct as normal, ‘because they can’t help it’. They are not only wrong about the latter, but they are actually not being at all loving towards homosexuals, because, contrary to the Bible, they reduce the homosexual person to the level of an animal, driven by instinct. In removing moral responsibility from the person, they dehumanize them, whereas the Bible says we are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:26–27), with the power of moral choice.

Furthermore, the gospel proclaims liberation from the bondage of sin, including homosexual sin, whereas the ‘liberals’ tell the homosexual that they cannot help it, and they can’t help them either, so they will accept them as they are! However, many a person has been gloriously rescued from the bondage of homosexual sin (and other sin) by the power of the Holy Spirit, but only Bible-believing Christians can offer such hope.13

Conclusion
As with all moral issues, our beliefs about our origin determine our attitude. If we believe that we arose from slime by a combination of random chance events and the struggle for survival, it is understandable to say that there is no higher authority and we can make our own rules. However, if there is a loving God who planned us and gave commands for us to follow, then we must do so. God has set forth His standards in the Bible, beginning with the foundational teaching in the book of Genesis.

References and notes
Lansdown, A., The ‘Rights’ of Homosexuals, Life News, p. 1, February 1995.
Randall, D.A., Bill Loader on Homosexuality, Life News, p. 4, September 1996.
Hamer, D.H. et.al., A linkage between DNA markers on the X chromosome and male sexual orientation, Science 261(5119):321–327, 1993.
Levay, S., The Sexual Brain, MIT Press, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA, 1993 (as quoted in ref. 6, pp. 367, 665).
Bailey, J.M. and Pillard, R.C., A genetic study of male sexual orientation, General Psychiatry 48(12):1089–1096, 1991.
Matlin, M.W., Psychology, 3rd ed., Harcourt Brace College Publishers, Fort Worth, Texas, USA, p. 366, 1999.
Excerpts from the Baptist Union of WA document on human sexuality, Life News, October 1997. (Final Report of the Task Force on Human Sexuality, Baptist Union of Western Australia, July 1997.)
Hogg RS, et al., Modelling the impact of HIV disease on mortality in gay men. International Journal of Epidemiology 26(3):657–61, 1997
Geisler, N.L., Christian Ethics, Michigan, USA, Baker Books, p. 261, 1989.
Ref. 10, p. 262.
Ref. 10, p. 259.
Ref. 10, p. 265.
See, for example, the testimonies of people rescued from homosexual sin at <www.exodus-international.org/testimonials_left_homosexuality.shtml>, 28 October 2003.
 
Government and Reiligous We must have Government working with Christians and Bible.

"8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that law[a] is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers–and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me." (1 Timothy 1:8-11 NIV)

"28 I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. 29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.”

30 He said this because they were saying, “He has an evil spirit.” (Mark
3:28-30 NIV)


"31 And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." (Matthew 12:31-32 NIV)

"UNDER GOD" from www.billygraham.org, http://www.billygraham.org/DMag_SpiritualHelp_Article.asp?ArticleID=434

In June 2002, the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in California declared that reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools is an unconstitutional endorsement of religion because the Pledge includes the phrase "under God."

The case was filed by Michael Newdow, who claims that his daughter was injured when her teacher led her class in a ritual proclaiming that there is a God and that the United States is "one nation under God." Newdow says he also has been injured because having that phrase recited in a public school interferes with his ability to educate his daughter about his religious belief, atheism.

On March 24 of this year, the U.S. Supreme Court heard the case. The justices will reconvene in early June to discuss the case, with their decision to be announced soon afterward. A public education campaign called "One Nation Under God" is working to support the legal defense fund for preserving the phrase in the Pledge of Allegiance.

Q: Why did you want to be involved in the effort to protect the phrase "one nation under God"?

A: I think that as Michael Newdow brings this case to the courts, he is trying to take the decision away from the people. I think he was using his daughter to bring his own belief to the courts. If he had said, "Let's just vote on it, shall we?" that would have been different. But to bring it to the court, the way he did, raised an issue that is as old as time.

I think the Christian community has some apathy about this issue, not realizing that it could lead to the very loss of our national heritage. Historically, America has answered to a higher authority. We see that heritage everywhere. It is on our money. It is in our court system as people put their hand on a Bible to swear an oath. It is in our everyday fiber. As an American citizen I wanted to step up and say something that had value. And as a Christian I find it extremely offensive that our heritage of believing that we answer to a higher authority is being challenged.

Q: Why should Christians be concerned about the Supreme Court's decision?

A: We have Christian roots in this country. When our forefathers put down roots in desolate places, the thing that allowed them to survive was that they had a faith to see them through the tough times.

The Constitution of the United States allows us to change; I don't have a problem with that. But if we get to the point where more people do not believe in a God than who do believe in God, we will have a hollow legal system—we will have something without heart. Some people may believe that their conscience is enough to guide them not to lie, be deceitful or do the other things God has commanded us not to do. I disagree. People who don't believe in God may have their own way of justifying some bad act they have committed. People certainly have the right to say, "I'm strong enough to be honest with my friends and neighbors—I can be a good American and not be a Christian." But I believe there is a decay that is eroding America, and as a result, God begins to disappear from our society.

Q: What will change if this phrase is taken out of the Pledge of Allegiance?

A: I believe that if "under God" were taken out of the Pledge of Allegiance, it would create a downhill locomotive that would begin to take out of our fiber all the things we believe in as Christians. Already we are struggling to keep a handle on morality and on our vision for this country. It bothers me to know there is the possibility that I as a Christian would be not only an underdog, but that I would be trodden upon if I claimed that I was a Christian.

I have no doubt that because of this frivolous suit, other people will gravitate toward it, even if that wasn't their intention to begin with. Once someone has had that kind of success, you can only imagine. Eventually the president may not put his hand on the Bible when he is going to take his oath. And people might not do that in court. When you put your hand on the Bible, you are saying something much stronger than just telling your peers that you're going to tell the truth.

The phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance doesn't say that everyone is a Christian. It doesn't even say that everyone believes in God. It just says that this nation is protected by God. I don't want that taken away.

Q: Why do Americans need to voice their opinions even after the case is heard by the Supreme Court?

A: I asked that question of One Nation Under God—the coordinating organization for this grassroots movement. I asked, "Can judges be influenced by public opinion?"

I learned that they can. Recently, the Library of Congress released the private documents of the late Justice Harry Blackmun. The papers reveal that in several key abortion cases, justices were keenly interested in the perceived public reaction to their rulings—indicating that courts can be influenced by public sentiment.

Also, one justice has recused himself from this case, so there is a possibility that it could end up in a 4-4 tie. If that happens, the lower court's decision to strike the phrase will be in force. At that point there could be congressional action to include "under God" in the Pledge.

So we can't be passive. We need to talk to the media; we need to talk to our representatives and senators. We have to be sure that we support this movement so that the Supreme Court and other leaders get the message.

We also need to help the legal defense of this phrase. The mother of Michael Newdow's daughter, Sandra Banning, is in debt from her part in this case. She wants the nation and the world to know that this suit brought by her daughter's father is frivolous. She wants people to know that her daughter is a Christian.
 
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I am heavily involved with Campus Crusade for Christ at Gallaudet University (http://www.campuscrusadeforchrist.com/) and just joined (DRC-Deaf Reformed Church at MD -http://www.deafreformedchurch.org/ and http://www.deafreformed.org/). I read and study with Bible for my future god plan with Jesus Christ. I may become a pastor for some places at California, more likely at San Fransisco *Most dangerous place for Christian's life*.

Whole thing on this Earth was planned by Father (God), Jesus Christ. No one can stop him or his plan. All you have to do is put your faith into him and believe that he is our savior from sin.

Supported Verses
"I and the Father are one." (Jesus quoted by John 10:30)

"If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now I am here. I did not come on my own, but he sent me." (Jesus quoted by John 8:42)

16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[f] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.[g] 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.” (Jesus quoted by John 3:16-21 NIV)

"18 For this is what the LORD says-
he who created the heavens,
he is God;
he who fashioned and made the earth,
he founded it;
he did not create it to be empty,
but formed it to be inhabited-
he says:
"I am the LORD ,
and there is no other."
(Isaiah 45:18 NIV)

Some of you had like this question, from www.billygraham.org at http://www.billygraham.org/LFA_Article.asp?ArticleID=86

Q: How can you be so sure there is a God, since science hasn't proven His existence?

A: The existence of God cannot be proven in a laboratory or through the complicated mechanisms of logic. Neither can love, nor beauty, nor happiness, but that does not mean they are not real. In the same way, just because you cannot "prove" that God exists as you can prove a chemical formula, it does not mean that He is not real. It only means you are using the wrong tools.

Faith is not anti-intellectual. Mr. Graham has said, "Some of the finest scientists I have ever met are men and women with a deep faith in God, because they realize that science alone cannot explain where we came from or why we are here. They are convinced that science itself points to an all-wise and all-powerful Creator. As the Bible says, 'The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands' (Psalm 19:1)."

We invite you to look beyond the physical world to the greatest evidence of all—the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Bible says we can know God is real, because He came into this world in the Person of Jesus Christ. If you want to know what God is like, look at Christ, who is "the image of the invisible God" (Colossians 1:15). We urge you not to let pride or anything else get in the way of discovering the new life He alone can give. When we open our lives to Jesus Christ, we are admitting that we do not have all the answers and cannot save ourselves. The Bible says, "The foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men" (1 Corinthians 1:25).

The Bible also says, "You can never please God without faith ... Anyone who wants to come to God must believe that there is a God" (Hebrews 11:6, TLB). You best demonstrate your faith in a bank by putting your money in it. You best show your faith in a doctor by trusting him in times of illness. You best prove your faith in a boat by getting aboard. You demonstrate faith in Christ by trusting Him with your life and by receiving Him unconditionally as your Savior.
 
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