Alternatives to Animal testing.

Maria said:

Nah, I prefer to let myself go, if there's no compatible organ. I live on this earth long enough. I already seen my children havin' their children ( my grandchildren ) and plus their weddings. ;)
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lol! oh well.... I guess your family members would hate to see you go.... and so do we ADers.... :sadwave:
 
dying is a funny thing. we say what we believe in but when it comes to having one foot on Death Side... we change the tune. :dunno:
 
dreama said:
Me too. I'd rather meet my maker with a clear concience then tortured animals on my concience and I'm only 38. Hopefully it will no longer be neccessary when they start creating artificul lungs.

But I've never actually heard of any cases of it actually working for any length of time. I just dont consider it worth it.
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Right, I agree. I would prefer to meet my Maker, too. I am 48. :)
 
Jiro said:
lol! oh well.... I guess your family members would hate to see you go.... and so do we ADers.... :sadwave:
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I am still alive and movin' on. My Maker hasn't called me just yet! I am perfectly healthy. ;)
 
Jiro said:
dying is a funny thing. we say what we believe in but when it comes to having one foot on Death Side... we change the tune. :dunno:
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Well I'm already afraid of dying but I want to have a clear concience when I go. I don't want to die with blood on my hands.
 
Maria said:
I am still alive and movin' on. My Maker hasn't called me just yet! I am perfectly healthy. ;)
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Point is - how about NOW - what if you had a mysterious aggressive incurable cancer/virus that's eating your lungs and you have a few months to live....

so lungs from pig or.... meet your maker? :hmm:
 
Jiro said:
dying is a funny thing. we say what we believe in but when it comes to having one foot on Death Side... we change the tune. :dunno:
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Naw, not me. I am always ready to goooo. * checkin' to be sure that there's a trillion and trillion of angels singin' their heavenly song, readily to welcome me * Naw - not yet! :D
 
dreama said:
Well I'm already afraid of dying but I want to have a clear concience when I go. I don't want to die with blood on my hands.
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:sadwave: depressing to hear that but understandable.
 
Jiro said:
Point is - how about NOW - what if you had a mysterious aggressive incurable cancer/virus that's eating your lungs and you have a few months to live....

so lungs from pig or.... meet your maker? :hmm:
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Meet my Maker. :)
 
What about the children and grandchildren?

Would you approve of letting them use an animal organ to keep them alive? Meanwhile liver flush or a baboon's heart?
Would that chance or hope be denied?
 
Babyblue said:
Any doctor in their right mind would tell a cancer patient that they are cleared of cancer. Their is always a high chance of it coming back. I think the word is " remission." not sure of spelling.
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While doctors will rarely, if ever, use the word 'cured' in the context of cancer, there are situations where it is appropriate.

A cancer diagnosed and successfully treated in it's first or second stage, with long term (5+ year) remission may (depending on the type) stand a fair chance of being "cured", as in, not relapsing (becoming detectable cancer again.) In some forms of cancer, the numbers are high enough that it's not unreasonable to say that a person is 'cured.'

In the realm of cancers that can be treated with bone marrow transplants, cures are a definite possibility. A related-donor transplant done in the first (chronic) stage of CML stands a 70% chance of a true 'cure'- which is to say, the person who was diagnosed as philadelphia chromosome positive when they were diagnosed with the cancer (this translocation being essentially the diagnosis of CML in itself) will become philadelphia chromosome negative and remain that way.

Just clearing that up. SOME cancers and their stages have a high relapse rate, but some do not.

That said, you would not find a doctor willing to call a patient 'cured' if they go into remission after a relapse. Statistics are not in your favor for it being a long-term remission- as in, you're unlikely to make it past the years required for doctors to assume you are unlikely to relapse again WITHOUT a relapse.
 
Maria said:
Nah, I prefer to let myself go, if there's no compatible organ. I live on this earth long enough. I already seen my children havin' their children ( my grandchildren ) and plus their weddings. ;)
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Tell that to the 108,000 people currently waiting for an organ in the US alone- 13,000 of which are infants, children, and young adults.

In the time UNOS has been keeping data, just over 10 years, 87,000 people died waiting for an organ- meaning they were on the waiting list until the moment they died. Over 10,000 of those were children or young adults, and 2731 of those were children under five years old. To put a seemingly small number into perspective, that's 109 classrooms full of children under the age of five dying because of the lack of organs.

I'm sure those preschoolers have done all the living they really wanted to do- played barbie and imagined getting married, I'm sure. I'm sure that the additions that die every day, the ones that are removed BEFORE they die because they're too sick to survive a transplant, the ones that aren't reported.. they were ready to 'meet their maker.'

It doesn't work that way, and if I could hold onto any truth in the world, it is that if you were really faced with the situation.. you'd take just about anything's organs.
 
Aleser said:
While doctors will rarely, if ever, use the word 'cured' in the context of cancer, there are situations where it is appropriate.

A cancer diagnosed and successfully treated in it's first or second stage, with long term (5+ year) remission may (depending on the type) stand a fair chance of being "cured", as in, not relapsing (becoming detectable cancer again.) In some forms of cancer, the numbers are high enough that it's not unreasonable to say that a person is 'cured.'

In the realm of cancers that can be treated with bone marrow transplants, cures are a definite possibility. A related-donor transplant done in the first (chronic) stage of CML stands a 70% chance of a true 'cure'- which is to say, the person who was diagnosed as philadelphia chromosome positive when they were diagnosed with the cancer (this translocation being essentially the diagnosis of CML in itself) will become philadelphia chromosome negative and remain that way.

Just clearing that up. SOME cancers and their stages have a high relapse rate, but some do not.

That said, you would not find a doctor willing to call a patient 'cured' if they go into remission after a relapse. Statistics are not in your favor for it being a long-term remission- as in, you're unlikely to make it past the years required for doctors to assume you are unlikely to relapse again WITHOUT a relapse.
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When you have a possibility of relapse or a 70% percent chance.

It is not a cure.

It helps with all due respect, but it is by far a cure.
 
Aleser said:
Tell that to the 108,000 people currently waiting for an organ in the US alone- 13,000 of which are infants, children, and young adults.


Nah. They chose it because, they want to live. If, it happens to me, why should I chose to live when I want a donor or transplant ? It's not worth waitin' this long, if I knew that I will not live that long. It will make me more miserable at the same time knowin' that it is not easy to have a donor or transplant to arrive sooner. I know it may take long time because of the waitin' list.

In the time UNOS has been keeping data, just over 10 years, 87,000 people died waiting for an organ- meaning they were on the waiting list until the moment they died. Over 10,000 of those were children or young adults, and 2731 of those were children under five years old. To put a seemingly small number into perspective, that's 109 classrooms full of children under the age of five dying because of the lack of organs.

I'm sure those preschoolers have done all the living they really wanted to do- played barbie and imagined getting married, I'm sure. I'm sure that the additions that die every day, the ones that are removed BEFORE they die because they're too sick to survive a transplant, the ones that aren't reported.. they were ready to 'meet their maker.'

It doesn't work that way, and if I could hold onto any truth in the world, it is that if you were really faced with the situation.. you'd take just about anything's organs.
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Naw, not for me if I would take just about anything's organs. Not even monkey's or any animal. Sorry. :)
I would prefer to die knowin' that I will have a perfect body in Heaven without worryin' about what I suffer through, waitin' for an organ. It's not worth fightin'.
 
Maria said:
Naw, not for me if I would take just about anything's organs. Not even monkey's or any animal. Sorry. :)
I would prefer to die knowin' that I will have a perfect body in Heaven without worryin' about what I suffer through, waitin' for an organ. It's not worth fightin'.
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Amen, sister!! i totally agree! I refuse to have any animals
organ, not even another human's organ in me, cuz i just
dont believe in it (organ transplant).
Doesnt matter if my body is not in perfect shape, i just go
whatever shape im in, straight to heaven...:D
 
Jiro said:
dying is a funny thing. we say what we believe in but when it comes to having one foot on Death Side... we change the tune. :dunno:
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Exactly. Its all fine and well to make said claims until one finds themselves in the position of having to actually decide if their life is worth saving.
 
Maria said:
Naw, not for me if I would take just about anything's organs. Not even monkey's or any animal. Sorry. :)
I would prefer to die knowin' that I will have a perfect body in Heaven without worryin' about what I suffer through, waitin' for an organ. It's not worth fightin'.
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If your body was sick and died, it it hardly perfect. Likewise, I know of no human being that can claim perfection under any circumstances.

Don't place much value on human life, do you?
 
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