Alternatives to Animal testing.

[Babyblue]

They told your mother she was "cured"? You actually witnessed this conversation where the docs told your mum she was cured?

Jillo I was thinking the same. It could have been her mother that told dreama that she was cured. A mothers love sometimes is expressed by not wanting to worry the children or child of their illness.

Correct me if I interpreted your post wrong.

 

[jillio]

That should be your choice. If it made you feel better then I don't see anything wrong in it. After all prevention is better then cure.

I think we will have to agree to disagree regarding animal testing as I've tried to explain my views. I was against animal testing before my mother died but I didn't feel quite so strongly about it before.

After mother died it became a personal issue.

By that logic, we should all just commit suicide to prevent death from illness or disease.:roll:

Thank Gawd we have laws that protect people from themselves.

 

[jillio]

Jillo I was thinking the same. It could have been her mother that told dreama that she was cured. A mothers love sometimes is expressed by not wanting to worry the children or child of their illness.

Correct me if I interpreted your post wrong.

No, you are spot on. My mind was going the same direction as yours. Parents often tell children things they think will make the situation easier than the actual truth of the situation.

 

[Daredevel7]

That should be your choice. If it made you feel better then I don't see anything wrong in it. After all prevention is better then cure.

I think we will have to agree to disagree regarding animal testing as I've tried to explain my views. I was against animal testing before my mother died but I didn't feel quite so strongly about it before.

After mother died it became a personal issue.

You have to be careful. There ARE high risks with removing organs. Please look into those risks.

Well, one thing for sure, you got me into thinking about the possibility of phasing out animal testing as newer technology comes. I just don't believe that it is time yet, but it should be a consideration.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Any doctor in their right mind would tell a cancer patient that they are cleared of cancer. Their is always a high chance of it coming back. I think the word is " remission." not sure of spelling.

This is true. However, my grandmother was diagnosed with uterine cancer in 1989. She had a hysterectomy as well as adjunctive chemo and she's still kickin'. She is will be 77 next month.

Had she not been afforded both chemo and surgery, it's likely she wouldn't have survived her cancer. My grandmother's cancer was also caught at a relatively early stage. I think that is the key. The sooner you diagnose and treat it effectively; the better the outcome will be.

 

[jillio]

You have to be careful. There ARE high risks with removing organs. Please look into those risks.

Well, one thing for sure, you got me into thinking about the possibility of phasing out animal testing as newer technology comes. I just don't believe that it is time yet, but it should be a consideration.

And, as that technology becomes available, there is no doubt that animal testing will be abandoned for more efficient and cost effective means. That is the way of progress. However, we cannot progress to that point until the time when the technology is available. That will mean that it will have to be tested the same way anything else is tested for validity and reliability. And that takes time. We aren't there yet. Consequently, we cannot abandon the means we do have without a means to replace it.

 

[jillio]

This is true. However, my grandmother was diagnosed with uterine cancer in 1989. She had a hysterectomy as well as adjunctive chemo and she's still kickin'. She is will be 77 next month.

Had she not been afforded both chemo and surgery, it's likely she wouldn't have survived her cancer. My grandmother's cancer was also caught at a relatively early stage. I think that is the key. The sooner you diagnose and treat it effectively; the better the outcome will be.

Absolutely. The chances for survival at Stage 1 are infinately better than at Stage 4. Likewise, it depends on the type of carcinoma. All cancers are not the same.

 

[Babyblue]

Dreama

In my personal opinion. We sacrifice these animals to help us find cure for diseases.

Animals are euthanise daily!

Let the animals be tested. They are making medicine possible.

Even the ones to fight cancer.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Absolutely. The chances for survival at Stage 1 are infinately better than at Stage 4. Likewise, it depends on the type of carcinoma. All cancers are not the same.

Exactly. I don't know the exact nature of the tumor found, but it was contained within her reproductive organs. I believe that she was considered stage 2 because the cancer spread beyond her uterus, but stayed within her reproductive system? Ahh, I'm not sure of the exact nature of her cancer, but I believe that to be the case. I DO know that her ajacent organs were clean. They didn't see any tumor involving any of her other organs and haven't since the initial diagnosis. She gets checked yearly.

 

[dreama]

Dreama

In my personal opinion. We sacrifice these animals to help us find cure for diseases.

Animals are euthanise daily!

Let the animals be tested. They are making medicine possible.

Even the ones to fight cancer.

I'm sorry but we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[jillio]

Exactly. I don't know the exact nature of the tumor found, but it was contained within her reproductive organs. I believe that she was considered stage 2 because the cancer spread beyond her uterus, but stayed within her reproductive system? Ahh, I'm not sure of the exact nature of her cancer, but I believe that to be the case. I DO know that her ajacent organs were clean. They didn't see any tumor involving any of her other organs and haven't since the initial diagnosis. She gets checked yearly.

Yep, stage 2 would have been where it attacked other reproductive organs, but had not yet metastisized to the lymph nodes. Still relatively contained.

 

[Jiro]

And, as that technology becomes available, there is no doubt that animal testing will be abandoned for more efficient and cost effective means. That is the way of progress. However, we cannot progress to that point until the time when the technology is available. That will mean that it will have to be tested the same way anything else is tested for validity and reliability. And that takes time. We aren't there yet. Consequently, we cannot abandon the means we do have without a means to replace it.

yup. we have to go thru step 1 to get to step 2. We would not get to Solar Power Age (soon) if we did not go thru Coal/Tree Power Age. As in - we killed Earth and raped the environment for our power needs... but we adapted and improved... to the point where nothing is killed for our power needs.

 

[dreama]

Jillo I was thinking the same. It could have been her mother that told dreama that she was cured. A mothers love sometimes is expressed by not wanting to worry the children or child of their illness.

Correct me if I interpreted your post wrong.

Well since I'm deafblind I would not have withnessed it BUT my parents really seemed to believe it. Not once but twice. My mother isn't the type to hide things. She told everyone she was cured.

When it came back the 2nd time she told me over the minicom that she was having a 6 week waiting list. That dad wanted her to check to see if she had arthritis but she wanted to see what the doctor had to say first. She died before her original apointment was due. In fact things towards the end happened so fast that I didn't get to see her since dad said it was no need since she was bound to get better. She wouldn't want me to see her in such a bad way. I wish I'd insisted now.

 

[Babyblue]

I'm sorry but we will just have to agree to disagree.

Don't be sorry we have differences in opinions.

Let me ask you another quesion.
How do you feel about animals sacrificing there hearts til one can find a donar? Or sacrificing there liver to flush out an ill persons blood?

All of this was done with animal testing.

 

[dreama]

Don't be sorry we have differences in opinions.

Let me ask you another quesion.
How do you feel about animals sacrificing there hearts til one can find a donar? Or sacrificing there liver to flush out an ill persons blood?

All of this was done with animal testing.

I've not heard of any cases working of animal organs in humans. The body rejects the organs. Some of that testing causes extreme animal suffering so I'm afraid I'm not with it.

I have heard of a girl lasting 4 months with only an artificial heart in her body. Her first transplant failed. She had to wait 4 months for her 2nd transplant. but it was a success.

I can cut and paste the story for you if you don't know about it already but I'm afraid I can't provide a link as it was provided to me via email.

 

[Jiro]

I've not heard of any cases working of animal organs in humans. The body rejects the organs. Some of that testing causes extreme animal suffering so I'm afraid I'm not with it.

I have heard of a girl lasting 4 months with only an artificial heart in her body. Her first transplant failed. She had to wait 4 months for her 2nd transplant. but it was a success.

I can cut and paste the story for you if you don't know about it already but I'm afraid I can't provide a link as it was provided to me via email.

really? Did you not know that pig lungs were used for lung transplant? In fact - it was a good match because the pig was injected with the person's DNA or something to make it compatible. It was too mind boggling for me to understand the technical detail of it. Obviously this raises an ethical issue... a Chimera (half-human, half-animal)

 

[Maria]

I don't support half animal and half human.

 

[Jiro]

I don't support half animal and half human.

then I guess you'll die waiting for a compatible organ like million others... or you can pay a little more to get it made for you right away. Your choice - your life or your belief.

 

[Maria]

then I guess you'll die waiting for a compatible organ like million others... or you can pay a little more to get it made for you right away. Your choice - your life or your belief.

Nah, I prefer to let myself go, if there's no compatible organ. I live on this earth long enough. I already seen my children havin' their children ( my grandchildren ) and plus their weddings.

 

[dreama]

Nah, I prefer to let myself go, if there's no compatible organ. I live on this earth long enough. I already seen my children havin' their children ( my grandchildren ) and plus their weddings.

Me too. I'd rather meet my maker with a clear concience. Rather then have tortured animals on my concience. I'm only 38.

But I've never actually heard of any cases of animals in human bodies actually working for any length of time. I just dont consider it worth it.