All about electric cars!

diehardbiker said:
Millions of cars sold each year in America, and only measly 4,600 all Electric cars sold this year? See what I am talking about?
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First year of new models almost always are small numbers until they become bigger and bigger as years go by. The first year of the Toyota Prius in the US was small numbers then grew bigger and bigger as years go by. Nissan sold more than 5,000 Leafs. They hit the 5,000 mark in August. GM never sold that many EV-1 in late 90's. Here are the numbers for the EV-1.
1996-1999 (1,117 units)
1997 Model Year: 660 Gen I units
1999 Model Year: 457 Gen II units

Nissan Leaf sales: Nissan officially introduced the Leaf in a ceremony held at its global headquarters in Yokohama on December 3, 2010. The first US customer delivery took place in Northern California on December 11, 2010 and the first delivery in Japan took place at the Kanagawa Prefecture on December 22. Deliveries to individual customers began in Ireland in February 2011, in the UK in March 2011, and in France in August 2011. Deliveries to corporate customers began in Portugal in December 2010, in the Netherlands in March 2011, and in Canada in July 2011. Sales to individuals are scheduled to begin in Switzerland, Spain, Belgium, and Norway in the second half of 2011, with global market availability planned for 2012. As of July 2011, more than 6,000 Leafs had been delivered in Japan, more than 700 units in the UK as of August 2011, and 8,066 units sold in the US through October 2011. Worldwide cumulative sales since December 2010 reached 16,600 units by October 2011.

16,600 units in the first year WORLDWIDE.

Show me a document of if they ever installed a lot of charging stations for electric cars in the past? They are doing this epic lately.
 
They didn't sell EV-1s. They leased them. I didn't understand why they won't sell them. No wonder EV-1 didn't take off.
 
Buffalo said:
They didn't sell EV-1s. They leased them. I didn't understand why they won't sell them. No wonder EV-1 didn't take off.
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Yeah, thanks for the correction. I meant lease not sell them.
 
Too much headache to me. I prefer to park my classic Nova and Alfa in my garage and smell good fuel vapor.
 
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deafsmogtech said:
Too much headache to me. I prefer to park my classic Nova and Alfa in my garage and smell good fuel vapor.
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Old fashioned guy. :)
 
I can see why, it is still very expensive to produce these cars since they produced only small quantity, thus result very expensive if sells, so they leased it instead. I cant find article that I read few months ago that it cost around $150K to produce each electric cars. No one is going to buy $150K for electric cars, so lease it instead. That way companies can get these cars back and do more research. Again, it is subsidized from what I am aware of.

This is part of reason why I have very doubt on viability on these electric cars. First of all, it has not kicked excitement, and it is still below half percentage of total vehicle sales. If it is at least 25% then I can see potentials.

Forget electric, Hydrogen is way to go! The only differences between All electric and Hydrogen is how it is refueling. Electric have to recharge and it can take time, comparing to Hydrogen which refuels almost same way as gasoline, yet runs same way as electric. Both of these vehicle runs on electric motor, and I think Hydrogen fuel cell which is pretty much like batteries are much safer than regular batteries. Why? Once in collision, it is easy to cut off the power on fuel cell verses 100% electric batteries that can't cut off power its own when in accident.

Buffalo said:
They didn't sell EV-1s. They leased them. I didn't understand why they won't sell them. No wonder EV-1 didn't take off.
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diehardbiker said:
I can see why, it is still very expensive to produce these cars since they produced only small quantity, thus result very expensive if sells, so they leased it instead. I cant find article that I read few months ago that it cost around $150K to produce each electric cars. No one is going to buy $150K for electric cars, so lease it instead. That way companies can get these cars back and do more research. Again, it is subsidized from what I am aware of.

This is part of reason why I have very doubt on viability on these electric cars. First of all, it has not kicked excitement, and it is still below half percentage of total vehicle sales. If it is at least 25% then I can see potentials.

Forget electric, Hydrogen is way to go! The only differences between All electric and Hydrogen is how it is refueling. Electric have to recharge and it can take time, comparing to Hydrogen which refuels almost same way as gasoline, yet runs same way as electric. Both of these vehicle runs on electric motor, and I think Hydrogen fuel cell which is pretty much like batteries are much safer than regular batteries. Why? Once in collision, it is easy to cut off the power on fuel cell verses 100% electric batteries that can't cut off power its own when in accident.
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I like hydrogen fuel cell car but Honda FCX Fuel Cell Electric car s only lease is expensive about $600/mo. and three years.
Honda FCX Clarity Overview - Fuel Cell Electric Vehicle - Site

Compare Fuel Cell Vehicles Side-by-Side

I still be waiting for other fuel cell vehicles next few years or more.

hydrogen fuel s price is cheaper than gasoline?
 
That is correct, they are still expensive in production. Hopefully it will eventually become mass production. They have two major issues to correct, and not sure if they have figured it out yet.

Hydrogen is definitely cheaper than gasoline and you can make hydrogen yourself at home. If my memory serves me right, Hydrogen vehicle gets equivalent on gas models as 70 MPG. I think will increase over time.


Here is hard fact, Hydrogen is EVERYWHERE! You can find it pretty much anywhere from water to air to deep down inside Earth, so there is no limits on Hydrogen. Whats even better is that Hydrogen can be re-useable and renewable 100%. Howcome? Simply put, there is no carbon in it to burn it to something else. That is a PLUS for environment.

Yeah, you are breathing some Hydrogen while reading this.

Chevy57 said:
I like hydrogen fuel cell car but Honda FCX Fuel Cell Electric car s only lease is expensive about $600/mo. and three years.
Honda FCX Clarity Overview - Fuel Cell Electric Vehicle - Site

Compare Fuel Cell Vehicles Side-by-Side

I still be waiting for other fuel cell vehicles next few years or more.

600 a month lease, I can afford it since it includes all maintenance. Only problem is that it is not ownership. :(


hydrogen fuel s price is cheaper than gasoline?
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DHB, the Nissan leaf, you can own or lease. If it costs 150k to make one, why is Nissan selling them by the thousands? I bet you want to be right not wrong. You are greatly misinformed.

Ford is going to release electric version of Focus.

Hydrogen is still way too expensive to own for average american. They are no better than an electric car, range and cost is no better. There is actually no route of what to replace the petroenum burning vehicles by the mass. You need to research more on the downsides on the hydrogen, I don't see many positives yet. You need LOTS of energy to process eletrocyclis to make hydrogen for vehicles. The best bet is compressed natural gas, probably better than hydrogen.
 
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Im not misinformed at all, none of them are feasible yet. The only time it will happen is if we run out of oil which is not going to happen anytime soon. Trust me, I have heard that we are running out of oil since when? Its early 70's and 40 years has passed we still see oil flowing. 40 years is long long long time

sequoias said:
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DHB, the Nissan leaf, you can own or lease. If it costs 150k to make one, why is Nissan selling them by the thousands? I bet you want to be right not wrong. You are greatly misinformed.





Ford is going to release electric version of Focus.

Hydrogen is still way too expensive to own for average american.
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diehardbiker said:
Im not misinformed at all, none of them are feasible yet. The only time it will happen is if we run out of oil which is not going to happen anytime soon. Trust me, I have heard that we are running out of oil since when? Its early 70's and 40 years has passed we still see oil flowing. 40 years is long long long time
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best to be prepared than be sorry.
 
diehardbiker said:
I can see why, it is still very expensive to produce these cars since they produced only small quantity, thus result very expensive if sells, so they leased it instead. I cant find article that I read few months ago that it cost around $150K to produce each electric cars. No one is going to buy $150K for electric cars, so lease it instead. That way companies can get these cars back and do more research. Again, it is subsidized from what I am aware of.

This is part of reason why I have very doubt on viability on these electric cars. First of all, it has not kicked excitement, and it is still below half percentage of total vehicle sales. If it is at least 25% then I can see potentials.

Forget electric, Hydrogen is way to go! The only differences between All electric and Hydrogen is how it is refueling. Electric have to recharge and it can take time, comparing to Hydrogen which refuels almost same way as gasoline, yet runs same way as electric. Both of these vehicle runs on electric motor, and I think Hydrogen fuel cell which is pretty much like batteries are much safer than regular batteries. Why? Once in collision, it is easy to cut off the power on fuel cell verses 100% electric batteries that can't cut off power its own when in accident.
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I guess they(electric cars) use impact sensors (crash sensors) where the battery module (computer) will shut the battery pack down when the vehicle is in accident.
 
sequoias said:
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DHB, the Nissan leaf, you can own or lease. If it costs 150k to make one, why is Nissan selling them by the thousands? I bet you want to be right not wrong. You are greatly misinformed.

Ford is going to release electric version of Focus.

Hydrogen is still way too expensive to own for average american. They are no better than an electric car, range and cost is no better. There is actually no route of what to replace the petroenum burning vehicles by the mass. You need to research more on the downsides on the hydrogen, I don't see many positives yet. You need LOTS of energy to process eletrocyclis to make hydrogen for vehicles. The best bet is compressed natural gas, probably better than hydrogen.
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I heard that hydrogen gas is expensive to produce. Why can't one just simply extract hydrogen from water?
 
I don't see how it is possible when the battery pack itself as part of collision. If it is elsewhere then it is possible.

deafsmogtech said:
I guess they(electric cars) use impact sensors (crash sensors) where the battery module (computer) will shut the battery pack down when the vehicle is in accident.
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Exactly, the story and talk has been repeat several times since 1870's Electric and gas motor companies have been battled and gas motor company won in 1906 (That was Ford motor corp). Henry Ford had heavy advertised to public back in early 1900's "You can take a jug of gas and go anywhere you want to go". Since then attempt to get attract on electric cars have failed repeat. How can this change after hundred years of unsuccessfully get people attract to all Electric. I was old enough to hear and remember the talks. That is why I knew people who thinks Electric cars are way to go is truly misinformed.

I am not going to buy two vehicles, one just electric for commuting and other one to get out of town on vacation the American style. No way!

deafsmogtech said:
Right, I see the modern electric vehicles is like I see the pictures of the electric antique vehicles.... Same story.
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diehardbiker said:
Exactly, the story and talk has been repeat several times since 1870's Electric and gas motor companies have been battled and gas motor company won in 1906 (That was Ford motor corp). Since then attempt to get attract on electric cars have failed repeat. How can this change after hundred years of unsuccessfully get people attract to all Electric. I was old enough to hear and remember the talks. That is why I knew people who thinks Electric cars are way to go is truly misinformed.

I am not going to buy two vehicles, one just electric for commuting and other one to get out of town on vacation the American style. No way!
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Well, it does make sense to me. For you, it probably doesn't. It's good to have a fuel efficient vehicle and other for work/play.
 
Im not here to tell you that you are wrong. I understand your desire to support fuel efficient. I personally am all for fuel efficient, and I am not leaving convenience out, as it will always be part of our everyday lives. Gasoline vehicles has been one of most convenient vehicles, and it has proved since 1906. Electric is not most convenient because it has its limitations. Now you see why I see Hydrogen is better choice and should invest in that path. Plus, I predict that Hydrogen fuel cell will solve the drought problems in some areas. Howcome? They emit pure water vapor and it has to come back down anyway.

sequoias said:
Well, it does make sense to me. For you, it probably doesn't. It's good to have a fuel efficient vehicle and other for work/play.
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