this isnt about you. the women who wrote the article which is what this discussion is about is against her child learning ASL. in her own words it (makes sense) to her. ive never argued one should to solely rely on it ASL .any on language...for that matter.
-She never said she was against teaching her child to use ASL, she was conflicted as to what to do. First of all her son is not deaf; mild loss in one ear and severe loss in other.
how long is the fluency window for language acquisition really wide open in children? why the hell wait? i keep asking so ill ask again why deny the child a language ASL?
WHY? as this mother has done....
WHY?
-My sister learned ASL in her twenties. The child is only 2 and a 2 year olds vocabulary is maybe 50 words at that age. You are reading this as a deaf person, the CHILD IS NOT DEAF! If she wants him to learn ASL as a second language great!
right...so how is it an extreme position as you claim it is for us to wish a child to acquire ASL?
if anything its only natural by your admission in the above statement you seem to agree.
so
WHY deny the child ASL?
-As I juist said, if she wants her son to learn ASL as a second language, great.
so then why not ask them the very questions you've us here?
after all you admit its the country board of education. should you not be wagging for finger of disdain at them rather the us Deaf?
The child is not deaf! I will say it again so it might sink in, The child is not deaf!
no.
its because i see dead people....
and thats besides the point. stop arguing with me, and try to argue and engage my arguments and ideas...see past my dick, and look towards my ideas thank you...
-This response is so you. You can't see any other point but your own and then go on the defensive. This isn't about you. it's about a 2 year old child with a mild hearing loss in one ear and a severe loss in the other and is not deaf.
this is NOT about me or you. its about an article in the nyt blog. the article is up for discussion. the ideas and ideological framework of that article is what we are discussing...
-Absolutely, and I have gave you my take on that article.
try to look at that pls..
-I have.
having a discussion with you, its almost like your a groupie of mine or something and cant ever argue ideas and its always about me...me...me....ive tried to illustrate(obviously a mistake i admit) a point in how you using your rationalizations to justify essentially discrimination..
.so take me out of it here, and is instead use this to help you understand...
-If we are all supposed to agree with you that is not called an argument, it's called an agreement. Yes, I agree with you, it's always about you, you, you. It has nothing about discrimination, it has to do with how the deaf community for years has done their students a disfavor by teaching them the way they have that limits their potential for employment down the line and is probably responsible for an unemployment rate of 50% in the deaf community.
heres another way to put it. (which has no relation to me)
"i quit school, and made million sin real estate.....all who quit school can make millions in real estat"
you can essential re word that anyway you wish to get the idea..
can you not see the issues in the above line of reasoning...?
the above is all true..in the first sense, the second is what you are doing re mainstream.
-No, it's about giving your children the tools and education needed to survive and get and hold a job. Someone who quits school and makes millions in real estate would more than likely be the exception rather than the rule. Most who quit school are going to severely limit their prospects of making a decent living.
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-Your education didn't get you where you are, your life of crime did, so you are an exception to the rule. Who knows what you would of done with an education that was mainstreamed.
no my life of crime (lol)...most certainly did not get me where i am..but again that besides t point..
-Would you be doing what you do today to earn a living if you hadn't first led a life of crime and gone to prison?
now lets try to actually discuss some of the things (tall order granted) the person who wrote the article which is supposed to be the topic of discussion actually did state.
-I thought we already did this. We can rehash it and rehash it and I will not change my way of looking at it, just as you won't either.
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-I have no problem with a child learning ASL as long as they are also taught signing exact English
WHY?
-Because they learn how to speak as the hearing world does and don't speak and write like a deaf person.
what hard evidence do you have to make such a statement. what evidence do you posess that states signed exact english is superior to ASL...
why the but
-I have seen both in action and it's not hard to see who has learned signing exact English and who has only used ASL. I see it all the time on All Deaf.
if your going to state such things as
you can learn your language ASL BUT.....
who the Fu..ck do you think you are?
-You're getting defensive again. Remember it's not all about you, we are still talking about a 2 year old child who is not deaf.
ASL is our language.
we are going to learn it whether you like it or not
you can take your buts and make them a but plug for all we care.
happy shoving...
-Ive got news for you. You did not learn ASL on your own, you were taught it, just as someone who learns to talk does. Your but plug comment shows you're getting defensive again and once again, this is not about you. Further if your going to say but plug, at least put a second t on it and make it mean what you are trying to say and that is Butt plug.
and are mainstreamed so they aren't limited to one way of life or pigeonholed into a particular community.
in other words close all Deaf schools and pidgeon hole Deaf in hearie mainstream schools.....
-Never said that. Get them all on the same page and teach their students both ASL as well as signing exact English. Use one to teach them to communicate in the hearing world and use the other as sort of a speed signing between each other. You also have to get mainstreaming involved so they can get along in the hearing world.
I would not deny a deaf child ASL as well as he/she is also taught signing exact English and is mainstreamed for part of his school day so he/she has exposure to the real world and not limited to just the deaf one. Education is the key here and the more you get the farther you will be able to go.
our world is as REAL an the hearie worlds....
your bigotry betrays you...
-I'm trying to broaden you horizons and you want to keep it a closed society. They brainwashed or indoctrinated you well!
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education is the key
so why are you not wagging your finger of disdain at those who actually according to you, control Deaf schools...
furhur really and this is important. it realy really is.
-Because many are controlled by people just like you who are close minded to change. An open mind as well as a well rounded education will set you free!
can we actually discuss what was actually stated in the actual article i actually posted...
thank you.
I have. You are the one who can't see the forest through the trees!