Agbell Missoners Trash Piece On Nyle

[hoichi]

i wasn't sure where to put this.
i came across this trash piece,and rabid nonsense by an agbell missioner...who is also a reporter. so she claims.

its of course from a few months back when Nyle won the dwts,

so much is wrong with this..i've rather enjoyed tearing it to pieces. i thought its important for us Deaf to engage this trash talk in public here, it offers us a good glimpse into an infantile mind. all Deaf face this nonsense with these people and their ideology. thus its important to engage them and what they spread.

the trash piece is titled "nyle demarcos activism is dangerous for the Deaf community."

(i know...wait till you see the rest of it)

it should be noted, the writer is deaf, by her own admission she is not Deaf, nor does she want to be Deaf, after all as we will see she drones on about "We’re deaf in different ways, and that should be OK" of course as long as those ways don't include Deaf, its a-ok.

the only time she uses Deaf in the article is of course in the title, through out the piece she refuses to use it..which is fine, as you see i gladly reminded her of it every chance i got..."-)

here we go (cuts through air with B hand shape, as you see ufc refs starting the match)

Can you believe a deaf person won Dancing with the Stars? Nyle DiMarco took home the coveted mirror ball trophy—without even hearing the music!

Yes we believe it! and that's Deaf, not deaf....
maybe you should go watch it all again to feel all warm inside...

Would your reaction change if you knew that Nyle could have heard the music if he wanted to? He has said he never wanted to hear, so he chooses not to wear hearing aids.

Nyle was born Deaf. i'm not sure what it is about this statement your having a hard time with..
but heres an idea, why cant you orlaist choose not to write, spare us some fun..

That’s his prerogative—he’s opting to live in silence, which is something many people may not realize.

i thought "We’re deaf in different ways, and that should be OK"....?
oh i forgot that doesn't include Deaf...

And of course, that choice makes for more dramatic television, which garners higher ratings. During one routine, for example, DWTS turned off the music so the audience could feel what it was like for Nyle. The finale dance was to “Sound of Silence.”

are you trying to have us believe Nyle who was born Deaf, has over 20 Deaf family member's, went to a Deaf school choose this to get better television ratings?
how does dwts shutting down music for the dance in anyway argue you point?
yeah i get it your a true believer and all that...meh

moving on...

It’s also more dramatic when a deaf person communicates via American Sign Language (ASL), a visual language that relies in large part on facial expressions. A deaf person who communicates by speaking and reading lips, by comparison, just isn’t as different or exciting when it comes to media.

sorry to steal your fire, oralist like you can always find a place in a field that appreciates your skill. porn..
good luck....

As a winner of two reality television shows (he also won America’s Next Top Model), Nyle is using his newfound fame to push an ASL platform.

come on .....don't be a hater!!!

But in the process, he’s making inaccurate—and inflammatory—statements. More than anything, I fear that such statements will mislead parents of young deaf kids.

which inaccurate statements? oh right i forgot, you wont post them in your piece..
which inflammatory statements? oh i forgot you wont post them in your piece...
O I C

More than 25 people in Nyle’s family are deaf. He went to a school for deaf children and communicates using ASL. He says that if he had been born into a hearing family and attended a public school, “I would have probably felt much more isolated, and being deaf would have become my identity.” He adds that he’s known his deaf identity since birth. These extreme views on deafness are common within the Deaf Culture community.

No. thats more then 25 of his family are Deaf. he went to a Deaf school..and that he has known his Deaf identity since birth...
so much for the "We’re deaf in different ways, and that should be OK"..

but i ask...what is the extreme views in the above?
oh right i forgot..never mind...
moving along...

My perspective is quite different.

no kiddin...

I was born deaf just like Nyle.

no you weren't.
if you were, then i ask why cant you hear music as you claim at the end of your blog? are you refusing to wear your hearing aids?

Unlike Nyle, however, I was born into a hearing family and mainstreamed in public school. I don’t feel isolated at all because I can speak the predominant language of this country rather than being dependent upon the few hearing people who know ASL.

so you will ignore the very real and valid experiences of the vast majority of Deaf put through the mainstream soul crusher, because you have picked up good oral skills..
well you know where to take that skill set..an industry is waiting for you..
also we are not dependent upon a few hearies,
we Deaf live full and vibrant lives.

I have a (speaking) deaf community and my deafness is just one part of who I am.

good for you , heres a lilipop....

I am fully integrated into society. Someone who only uses ASL, like Nyle, can’t interact with society without help from others.

this is a bald faced LIE!
and you know it.

Nyle has started a nonprofit foundation, the Nyle DiMarco Foundation, to advocate for the teaching of ASL.

he sure did...eat it..

He’s careful to say he’s fine with parents getting their kids cochlear implants or hearing aids, but adds, “Research shows that being bilingual improves their chances of speaking. Depriving them of ASL is denying them language.”

indeed..

While everyone agrees that early language, in any form, is important,

here comes the but..or..

Nyle is basically saying that I’ve been denied language. My parents chose to take advantage of my early developmental window by teaching me how to lipread and speak, knowing I could always learn ASL later.

this is NOT what nyle has stated.
and you know it

Like many other Deaf Culture proponents, Nyle claims that ASL is required for people who are deaf. The reality is, I don’t need to know ASL to be deaf. I’m reminded of my deafness every second of every day. I know and speak my native language, which is spoken English.

you dont need to know ASL to be deaf, you need to know sign to be Deaf..
why are you refusing to wear your hearing aids, if only you wore your aids you would.....
oh never mind...

moving on...
mm...mmmm

 

[hoichi]

continuing with above.....

As part of his foundation’s efforts, Nyle is trying to get states to pass a law that requires bilingualism for deaf people—ASL and English. In other words, he wants to make ASL a requirement for deaf children, which infringes on parental choice.

an orlalist bemoaning infringing on parents rights ha..
besides porn you would also excel in comedy...

I wouldn’t want to be forced to raise my child a certain religion, teach my child to speak Yiddish, nor compelled by policy to dress my child in, say, cobalt blue every day.Similarly, requiring that deaf children learn ASL is going too far. (By the way, the number of people native in ASL is comparable tothe number of people who speak Yiddish.)

no one is trying to force you to do anything, nor force anyone to do anything...thus the rest that follows is irrelevant.

Nyle also wrote in a letter, “It was recently proven by science that [bilingualism] will benefit the Deaf child a lot more than just English only.” In fact, the opposite is true.

you are incorrect

Numerous studies—like the one summarized by pediatric audiologist Jane Madell—have shown that children who receive a cochlear implant and an oral education focused on lipreading, listening, and speaking have higher literacy rates than those who rely on ASL. Bilingual education, where ASL takes priority, does not lead to better results. English is a second language to children raised with ASL, so this is not surprising. ASL has a completely separate syntax than English; it’s not simply signed English.

that is NOT what the study states..did you even read what that study actually did state? apparently not..

here it is..

"The children were all tested for speech perception (single words and sentences) and receptive language. For all tests, the boys in the auditory-verbal group did better than those in the other groups. This was true for monosyllabic words and for sentence perception. The study also looked at delays in receptive language."

im going to go out on a limb here, and ask
do you know the difference between speech perception and literacy?
because the study you are using did not study or test literacy.

are you sure your oralist education has served you well?
you are confusing simple words like speech perception with other words with a different meaning such as literacy...

maybe you received a different form of oral education from your teachers..perhaps the form that will help you in porn?

moving along...(cough)

Deaf Culture extremists will respond to this essay in full force;

thanks for invite...

 

[hoichi]

continuing with above..

they’re well-known for their intimidation and manipulation tactics. The last time I spoke out about Nyle, I was spammed and bullied for weeks, but I refuse to be cowed. They’ll ask for the specific research and share their own, but look closely—their so-called research is biased, unscientific, and disseminated by their own publishers.

well at least we actually read the studies we use to justify our position...as for your study, looking at who published it, if the shoe fits..

The evidence behind cochlear implants and oral education is based on multiple objective, longitudinal, and large-scale studies. In this case, the statistics don’t lie.

which statistics? the ones used to implant babies against medical advice? before there was stats to justify it?

Indeed, Nyle’s comments have created an uproar in the deaf community,

No. it was bigoted statements of agbell and people like you who caused the uproar...

 

[hoichi]

continuing with above...

What he says about language deprivation may be true in developing countries where technology is difficult to obtain and parents rarely make the effort to learn sign language. But in our country, where hearing aids and cochlear implants are largely accessible, it’s just patently untrue. As a deaf friend posted on Facebook: “Nyle needs to change his language by refraining from applying the word ‘deprivation’ to the entire deaf population and instead say that he wants to make sign language more accessible to deaf children who have no means to access the hearing technologies.”

your deaf friend or you have no claim to state anything at all in what we Deaf do or what we Deaf state..
your not Deaf, your not one of us..

It’s great that Nyle is showing what deaf people are capable of and that we can do anything we put our minds to. Yet, despite him saying he wants to use his celebrity for good, he’s dividing instead of bridging. We’re deaf in different ways, and that should be OK.

Nyle showed what Deaf are capable of, that We Deaf can do anything we put our minds too, you are NOT Deaf, what is it about this, that your high end oralist education cant help you understand?

Nyle is a talented dancer and model. But that doesn’t mean he does—or should—speak for all of us.

he never spoke for you lady.
he signed for US!

deal with it

 

[AlleyCat]

My eyes glazed over trying to read all this.

 

[hoichi]

yeah its a long one..

 

[Jezie]

I find it sad that every time someone happens to stand for the rights of deaf having access to sign they are slapped down, attacked, and belittled... it does show a common thread though.

I am curious if your quotes are the whole article, can you post a link please.

 

[hoichi]

sure...
http://www.theestablishment.co/2016...activism-is-dangerous-for-the-deaf-community/

yes i included the entire article in my replies, thus the length

 

[Jezie]

Thank you kind sir
It is ridiculous that she is upset about this when she clearly does not identify as Deaf....
The fact that she tries using data and did not bother to read it... or her attempt to misconstrue it for her own purpose is sadly common...
The only think I would even call close to agreeing with is the state being able to force parents... however, almost every legitimate study done proves that ASL improves Deaf children's education yet parents still drink the kool-aid that is handed to them so someone can profit...

 

[DeafDucky]

Well if she wants a "hero", there is a guy on America's Got Talent right now who will be in the next set of rounds who is hard of hearing, speaks and is a comic. She should leave well enough alone.. Nyle didn't start any kind of 'attacks' on her.. she started the entire pissing contest... *sigh*.

As for lipreading, hearing, listening whatever.. yes it does work but she is implying that it works for a large percentage... not necessarily. It tires me out and am always forever behind.. yes I interact but it's always playing catch up :P

As for literacy.. well... I can tell you that I know many HOH/deaf who grew up mainstream/oral and have the crappiest literacy possible- as low as 3rd-4th grade reading level and having to take remedial classes at Gallaudet. They were thrilled to death and HAPPIER in an ASL environment. Of course not all HOH or D/deaf will be but to insinuate that all oral kids have a 'higher literacy rate' is baloney. Knew a few Deaf who were/are miles smarter than me and more well rounded in specific topics that I couldn't put a candle to.

Bleh...I'm fine for both camps, like the idea of bilingualism more- or at least allow access to both.

No lady, Nyle doesn't speak for the entire community. Neither do you.

 

[hoichi]

Thank you kind sir
It is ridiculous that she is upset about this when she clearly does not identify as Deaf....
The fact that she tries using data and did not bother to read it... or her attempt to misconstrue it for her own purpose is sadly common...
The only think I would even call close to agreeing with is the state being able to force parents... however, almost every legitimate study done proves that ASL improves Deaf children's education yet parents still drink the kool-aid that is handed to them so someone can profit...

its just typical of their position..and how they argue it
thus they usually don't. instead they are very skilled at out flanking us and shutting down discussion or debate..
so far..

 

[zephren]

A couple of other posting also tear her apart:

www.meriahnichols.com/nyle-dimarco-deaf-community/

http://www.radio666fm.com/2016/06/12/nyle-dimarcos-activism-is-dangerous-for-the-deaf-community/

https://www.reddit.com/r/deaf/comments/4l6cth/nyle_dimarcos_activism_is_dangerous_for_the_deaf/

https://www.reddit.com/r/asl/commen...ivism_is_dangerous_for_the_deaf/?ref=readnext

 

[Jezie]

its just typical of their position..and how they argue it
thus they usually don't. instead they are very skilled at out flanking us and shutting down discussion or debate..
so far..

They know if they allow free discussion and debates that they will lose their upper hand... why would they risk it?

 

[dogmom]

for posting that, Hoichi...guess I'm not surprised by that "AGBell'ers" slop....seems a lot of her ranting comes from a combination of Hearing indoctrination and fear....threatening to her beliefs, so she negates and denigrates....

 

[Bottesini]

for posting that, Hoichi...guess I'm not surprised by that "AGBell'ers" slop....seems a lot of her ranting comes from a combination of Hearing indoctrination and fear....threatening to her beliefs, so she negates and denigrates....

That and the fact she works for Phonak.

 

[dogmom]

ahhhh, for sure...

 

[hoichi]

for posting that, Hoichi...guess I'm not surprised by that "AGBell'ers" slop....seems a lot of her ranting comes from a combination of Hearing indoctrination and fear....threatening to her beliefs, so she negates and denigrates....

your welcome dogmom

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Someone who only uses ASL, like Nyle, can’t interact with society without help from others.

this is a bald faced LIE!
and you know it.

no, that is true. Nyle never ever was without his ASL interpreter, though. you gotta admit that.

Fuzzy

 

[Audiofuzzy]

I guess the author is somewhat removed from Deaf society?

Fuzzy

 

[DeafDucky]

no, that is true. Nyle never ever was without his ASL interpreter, though. you gotta admit that.

Fuzzy

That's only what you see in the media and publicity. You don't know what he does in his private life and how he moves around or does things. So I'm guessing he can or could interact with others without "help".