Acoustic Characteristics of the Speech of Young Cochlear Implant Users

rick48 said:
Gee, I will have to tell my daughter and her friends who were mainstreamed and in or have graduated from college that they were not taught.
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While you are at it, why don't you explain it to themainstreamed kids who are simply passed through the system withou sufficient skills to get into college without rememdial courses in reading, writing and math? Might give them something to think about while they are sitting in class without a clue as to what is going on.
 
jillio said:
So, in effect, you have kept her restricted to the oral deaf community, which is nothing more than the hearing community without benefit of auditory function. How very liberal and free thinking of you! You're a real humanitarian, you are!

But don't worry. She'll most likely find the Deaf community on her own just like the others posting here who were restricted to an oral only environment.
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Hmm...a hearing person defining the deaf community, how audist of you.

I have no worries about where and what communities my daughter "finds" for she has been raised to judge people for who they are, not how they communicate. So if she "finds" the Deaf community she will know to avoid people like you.
 
rick48 said:
Hmm...a hearing person defining the deaf community, how audist of you.

I have no worries about where and what communities my daughter "finds" for she has been raised to judge people for who they are, not how they communicate. So if she "finds" the Deaf community she will know to avoid people like you.
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Obviously, you have no idea what the word means. Hmmm.....avoid.....how very bigoted of you. And, I do know what the word means.
 
jillio said:
While you are at it, why don't you explain it to themainstreamed kids who are simply passed through the system withou sufficient skills to get into college without rememdial courses in reading, writing and math? Might give them something to think about while they are sitting in class without a clue as to what is going on.
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Like the one you play notetaker and interpreter for?


Good to show everyone how you really feel about mainstreamed kids?
 
rick48 said:
Like the one you play notetaker and interpreter for?


Good to show everyone how you really feel about mainstreamed kids?
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And who might that be? It wasn't a statement regarding my assessment of mainstreamed kids, but rather my assessment of mainstream oral education for deaf kids. But then, I don't expect you to understand the finer points.
 
jillio said:
I've never omitted that. You, however, consistently omit the fact that his research supports sign and speech for implanted children.
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Go back and see that in the article about him that I posted I included that point as well.
 
rick48 said:
Go back and see that in the article about him that I posted I included that point as well.
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Oh, then you admit that the greatest benefit in CI children is when they are exposed to sign and speech! So, why haven't you learned any sign?
 
Lantana said:
People believe what they want to believe. Particularly about their own child.

All this emphasis on CI's for *one child* in a family makes me worry about the remaining children. What are they, chopped liver?

Lantana
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And people who do not know the families about which they speculate, should not speculate.
 
rick48 said:
And people who do not know the families about which they speculate, should not speculate.
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When those people give an example and state their beliefs outright, they open themselves up to speculation.
 
jillio said:
When those people give an example and state their beliefs outright, they open themselves up to speculation.
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Oh...so if you decide to give your deaf child a ci and be actively involved in his life then you are neglecting your other children. Yea, that's a real brilliant deduction. No wonder you latched onto it immediately. Oh I forgot, you are not anti-ci.
 
rick48 said:
We all do, Jackie for as Fuzzy has said many times, she is transparent.
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And fuzzy has been banned, so quite obviously, her perceptive skills are lacking or she would have learned from her previous mistakes. And how you see anything harmful is such a nuetral statement is simply evidence of your paranoic tendency to see slight where there is none.
 
rick48 said:
Oh...so if you decide to give your deaf child a ci and be actively involved in his life then you are neglecting your other children. Yea, that's a real brilliant deduction. No wonder you latched onto it immediately. Oh I forgot, you are not anti-ci.
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What I said, rick was that what parents want to believe, and the reality of the situation are quite often nothing close to one and the same. It was another poster that made the satement, and I was simply agreeing with a portion of it. Nice try, but your tactics are ineffective.

And the statment you quoted mentioned nothing about parents, or children, but simply stated that when people open themselves up for speculation, they have no right to complain when it occurs.
 
vallee said:
I never said it was a deaf student. You also don't know how much sign we used and what we did. All hearies???? Come on!

So also a thank you for finding my student offensive. I found it wonderful that a student learning how to communicate, understand, and appreciate other people is being put down. She learned not to express that attitude. On that note - I will not answer anymore posting by you for a while.

So don't feel like you won, all you did is cause others to leave this great site, because you see yourself as the only voice of the Deaf Community.
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vallee,

I wish I was as wise as you and not respond to her but please do not let her bully you off this forum as you have a lot to share.

Rick
 
jillio said:
And fuzzy has been banned, so quite obviously, her perceptive skills are lacking or she would have learned from her previous mistakes. And how you see anything harmful is such a nuetral statement is simply evidence of your paranoic tendency to see slight where there is none.
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Being banned on this forum is evidence of absolutely nothing other then the double standard that is applied to certain posters.

If you truly think that anyone other than your faithful sycophant actually
believes that your statement about Jackie's son was "neutral" then I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I would like to sell you.

Your act is tired and stale, we see through you Jillio.
 
rick48 said:
Being banned on this forum is evidence of absolutely nothing other then the double standard that is applied to certain posters.

If you truly think that anyone other than your faithful sycophant actually
believes that your statement about Jackie's son was "neutral" then I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I would like to sell you.

Your act is tired and stale, we see through you Jillio.
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As I said, rick, I could care less what you believe. You have aready proven that your analytical skills leave a great deal to be desired. And, please, can you quit with tired euphimisms? Show some creativity in your use of language.

And, being banned is evidence of unnacceptable behavior. Remember?
 
jillio said:
I have a strong foundation for everything I have said. ..........
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Not for the accusations you make towards other people.

You having "strong foundation for everything you said"...... Where have I said CI is a miracle?

Waiting for "strong foundation"..
 
rick48 said:
Because if you had then you could never make truthfully make that piece of garbage statement you made. There are many, many successful oral kids who are standing up for their rights but you are just too close-minded, just like your friend who just insulted Jackie's son and last week called an articulate young lady "brain washed" to realize that.
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blah blah blah

What are u doing to help change deaf ed for all deaf children not just your daughter only?
 
fredfam1 said:
This class will due to budget constraints be very limited. I will be getting paid $100 for five weeks, and I am putting the program together myself for the public library. I have extensive experience as a tour guide, and park guide and I have given many presentations to large groups of people. This will be my first formal ASL teaching experience and will be a class designed to instruct Hearing parents on how to teach ASL to their infants. Some will have babies, some will be pregers! Of course I have volunteer teaching experience at private Christian schools and I've homeschooled my own kids for 20 years. (I have 7 children)
(Any advice would be appreciated) I don't think this class would be conducive to a "no voice" environment except for the first class in order to give parents the "feel" for having no means of communication. There is no way at this point in my ASL exposure, (no Deaf friends near me) that I could get any kind of certification, with test anxiety, ADD, and dsylex..., dislux....,umm I get things backwards.:giggle: If the class
is mine, no one is testing me and the environment is comfortable I will be fine.
Thank the Lord for public libraries. I am getting so much interest that I may have to limit enrollment as the library is not that big. Of course since I home school, my kids will be assisting me as part of their experience. (Like when I
host the DeafChatCoffee this Dec 2nd my 3 youngest children ages, 7, 10, and 12 will be dressed in aprons and will help serving the clientel! If I can get some pics I will post them here. Again any suggestions will be wellcome. I plan on giving out a working vocabulary of 225 signs, with a few ASL idioms. I will not give any SEE signs or PSE. The way I explain it to hearing adults is that the signs for words like to and the are incorporated into the sign, ie it is assumed to be there. They seem to be able to accept that more. I do not anticipate any of these people will become fluent because they will all be over the age of 17. I am striving to increase the awareness level and to facilitate making public demonstrations of ASL a "cool" thing to do.
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That sounds like fun!
 
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