About this Deaf Culture thing...

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Frisky Feline said:
did you see daredevil's hilarious post? sure, some of us do understand and some of us may be in denial. I still laugh at her post and it does make sense. :lol:
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Yep, she got a like from me on that one. Pretty funny!:giggle:
 
Mod note:

Several posts are removed. Reminding you guys, that attacking another member's as in a bashful way or trolling will result in consequences.

Lets have a civil debate on Deaf Culture.

Thanks.
 
Calvin said:
Mod note:

Several posts are removed. Reminding you guys, that attacking another member's as in a bashful way or trolling will result in consequences.

Lets have a civil debate on Deaf Culture.

Thanks.
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Thank you very much, Calvin.:ty:
 
Come on guys, we were on a productive roll here. Let's not let a few naysayers bring it to an end!:P Can't let "them" win!:lol:
 
jillio said:
Come on guys, we were on a productive roll here. Let's not let a few naysayers bring it to an end!:P Can't let "them" win!:lol:
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Ok. Deaf Culture became a term in the 1980's. People of my grandparent's generation used Ameslan if it was acknowledged as anything but "manual language" as it was not ASL yet.

Myself as a small child, can still remember a blind man on a city street corner begging with a cup and pencils.

A person who is no spring chicken and started with progressive loss as already and adult in the 1960's, probably already had a more negative impression of Deaf people that would be hard to overcome.

Deaf was not a cool thing at that time. I don't justify it, but I can remember enough history to see why.
 
Hmmm, maybe the way the brain is constructed makes for different cultures. I just read that brain matter are different between liberals and conservatives. Liberals are more able to deal with complex issues while conservatives react to fear more quickly. Something like that. Go ahead, google and see for yourself. :lol:
 
Beowulf said:
Hmmm, maybe the way the brain is constructed makes for different cultures. I just read that brain matter are different between liberals and conservatives. Liberals are more able to deal with complex issues while conservatives react to fear more quickly. Something like that. Go ahead, google and see for yourself. :lol:
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Of course brains are different between cultures. All a culture is is a pattern of thinking, which is represented in the brain. Of course, trying to simplify it into "my group thinks better than their group" tends to throw out the science in the attempt to get a dig at the hated blues.
 
Bottesini said:
Ok. Deaf Culture became a term in the 1980's. People of my grandparent's generation used Ameslan if it was acknowledged as anything but "manual language" as it was not ASL yet.

Myself as a small child, can still remember a blind man on a city street corner begging with a cup and pencils.

A person who is no spring chicken and started with progressive loss as already and adult in the 1960's, probably already had a more negative impression of Deaf people that would be hard to overcome.

Deaf was not a cool thing at that time. I don't justify it, but I can remember enough history to see why.
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Ameslan was a term still used when I first started learning to sign.
 
Beowulf said:
Hmmm, maybe the way the brain is constructed makes for different cultures. I just read that brain matter are different between liberals and conservatives. Liberals are more able to deal with complex issues while conservatives react to fear more quickly. Something like that. Go ahead, google and see for yourself. :lol:
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No doubt.
 
Beowulf said:
Hmmm, maybe the way the brain is constructed makes for different cultures. I just read that brain matter are different between liberals and conservatives. Liberals are more able to deal with complex issues while conservatives react to fear more quickly. Something like that. Go ahead, google and see for yourself. :lol:
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:lol: Mkay.
 
jillio said:
Come on guys, we were on a productive roll here. Let's not let a few naysayers bring it to an end!:P Can't let "them" win!:lol:
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Back to your OP.

First, I regret about some of the posts I made in this thread. Not because I have changed my mind, but I somehow think I should steered away from becoming too personal. Apologizes GrendelQ for that, because my question was if it's audists to disagree about ethincity for deaf people, and GrendelQ is far from the only one that have questioned deaf ethnicity. Several deaf and hoh posters here have done the same, and my question are to them as well. And, it's nothing personal or attempt to start a Deaf vs Deaf fight, just a tough question for those of you who are up for a challenge.

Now, the first post is about Culture, not Ethnicity. Asking the same question I did with ethnicity:

Is it audist to say deaf Culture is non existing or an unwanted product, intentionally or unintentionally? Can we just handwave them off as audist?
 
Beowulf said:
Hmmm, maybe the way the brain is constructed makes for different cultures. I just read that brain matter are different between liberals and conservatives. Liberals are more able to deal with complex issues while conservatives react to fear more quickly. Something like that. Go ahead, google and see for yourself. :lol:
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This is interesting. Not sure, but think someone once claimed proof that deaf people wire their brain different than hearings. But have also heard deaf and hearings wire the same way, so not sure.

Anyway, in politics, the ruling goverments in europe are more to the left in average than US. This means that liberals in US equals conservatives in most of europe. Are the wiring the same in US and europe? Is it relative?
 
flip said:
Back to your OP.

First, I regret about some of the posts I made in this thread. Not because I have changed my mind, but I somehow think I should steered away from becoming too personal. Apologizes GrendelQ for that, because my question was if it's audists to disagree about ethincity for deaf people, and GrendelQ is far from the only one that have questioned deaf ethnicity. Several deaf and hoh posters here have done the same, and my question are to them as well. And, it's nothing personal or attempt to start a Deaf vs Deaf fight, just a tough question for those of you who are up for a challenge.

Now, the first post is about Culture, not Ethnicity. Asking the same question I did with ethnicity:

Is it audist to say deaf Culture is non existing or an unwanted product, intentionally or unintentionally? Can we just handwave them off as audist?
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In my opinion, yes; it is the predominantly audist thinking in this society that would lead to questioning the existence of Deaf Culture by the individual. Can we wave them off as audist? That is a bit trickier. They are being influenced by the generally accepted audist thought taught in society. They only become an audist when shown their error, and they insist on hanging onto those audist thoughts and beliefs.
 
flip said:
This is interesting. Not sure, but think someone once claimed proof that deaf people wire their brain different than hearings. But have also heard deaf and hearings wire the same way, so not sure.

Anyway, in politics, the ruling goverments in europe are more to the left in average than US. This means that liberals in US equals conservatives in most of europe. Are the wiring the same in US and europe? Is it relative?
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There have been cognitive psychology studies about this. The first reference that comes to mind off the top of my head is a text called "Psychology of the Deaf" that contains various studies, and the full research reports.

That the deaf process information differently than the hearing, I think in this day and time, is pretty much accepted. What is still in question is whether those differences are the result of physiological differences that are co-morbid with deafness, or whether the changes occur in developmental ways as the result of deafness.
 
In 2009 there was Deaf programme on main TV called See Hear in UK. They did research focusing on Deaf brain and see any difference from hearing brain and there was. Deaf born, not hearing born and became deafned even under 2 years old.

It was very interesting. They did sight test, memory test, vibration test, hearing test.

People did research website here: Deafness research
 
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