Abortion is NOT a sin

[Vance]

Jeez, I am not bringing up the emotional with my posts or debats. I talk in black and white without emotional, do you understand that? I know what love means and I don't use it on my debates. Do you remember that I already explained my emotional side of the abortion.

You are making big deal out of the "Slut" or anything with label-ing. That is not the point that Y mad. Y are trying states the point that why do people open their legs at first place. Therefore they may be called with those labels depneds on the situations. For example, if they open their legs before marriage and they are labeled that they act aganist God's want. I am not saying that they are slut or whatever. But they are acting aganist God's want.

What if Jesus Christ approved my comments and shout that your comments are wrong? You have no idea what God will approves or not. It also applies to me. Therefore stop saying that I am judging or we are judging but in fact you are judging too.

I am looking straight down to the bible verses and use our logic common sense, that's all. I do not depends on our views or thoughts without bible support. We are sinners and our thoughts are full of evil, sinners and unholy. Therefore we gotta use bible lot to support our debates or desicions.

Your and your people's actions indicated that you were judging us, we didn't judge you. Your ACTIONS did. Yep. That's magic word: action. Love it or hate it.

As I said in my first and second post of this topic. Bible verses are OPEN for ANY kind of interpretations. The problem is that Religious Right kept using the interpretation to their favor. Based on your comments and your actions, seem that you really don't understand what Judge ye that ye not be judged means at all. God and Jesus both kept preaching that no one can judge others or impose their beliefs on others.

I believe that God and Jesus didn't look everything in black and white. They are not that dumb (obviously).

Sorry I have to disagree with it. We need to protect entrie unborn babies. What if your mother had you on the abortion. You won't be here typing. It is very sick.

Since you just judged other women with that comment then I shall do that as a example. You voted for Bush and he is rallying for senesless deaths and murders in the war which Jesus preached against. My friend, that is VERY SICK.

If I am in womb and my mom have an abortion, I would forgive her for that. It is MY place to forgive my mother and it is God's place to judge my mother. Not you. Not these Religious Right. I am willing to give up my life for my mother to ensure that she will have a comfortable life. That's what 'true love' means... that's where most conservative christians will never, never and never get what 'love' means if they kept giving that kind of attitude. Again, that's what I based on their actions.

Seem that I sound like broken record lately... I'll say again, no one on earth have the rights to judge others or imposing their beliefs on others. No one.

Most important of all... women and their bodies are NOT yours, it is theirs.

 

[Angel]

You are making big deal out of the "Slut" or anything with label-ing. That is not the point that Y mad. Y are trying states the point that why do people open their legs at first place. Therefore they may be called with those labels depneds on the situations. For example, if they open their legs before marriage and they are labeled that they act aganist God's want. I am not saying that they are slut or whatever. But they are acting aganist God's want.

The whole point is, when a couple of members here came forward and poured out their heart by experiences of an abortion of their past, yet some of you members just walked all over them by throwing a few brielf at them or what it may say in the bible, but the point is, it happened in the PAST, yet does that give you any members a right to say your baby is in hell, you are a slut, you spread your legs out, its all your fault, give me a freaking break here, young teenagers has done so many tons of mistakes, and yet, they seek God for HIS forgiveness, so don't tell me any of you Christian did not make any simple mistakes by spreading your legs out when you were only a teenagers, we were not taught back then about pregnancy, about sex, about sins, about God of course, so don't go around blaming those women who had a past of having an abortion because things are different now as they were back then... Yes there may be some women and young girls out there who are seeking for an abortion, but that their choice and I know where I stand for abortion which is against it, but I don't go around shoveling things at their face even if they happen to not believe in God or what it may say in the bible.....

And yes, that member should have never call anyone names, or label them for whatever they see in this person when it DID happened in the past, everyone made their share of mistakes , everyone sins, and everyone learn a lesson or two, but don't go around rubbing it in their face when they have already gone to God to seek for His forgiveness and yes God does forgive and forget....Can you???...

 

[Gemtun]

The whole point is, when a couple of members here came forward and poured out their heart by experiences of an abortion of their past, yet some of you members just walked all over them by throwing a few brielf at them or what it may say in the bible, but the point is, it happened in the PAST, yet does that give you any members a right to say your baby is in hell, you are a slut, you spread your legs out, its all your fault, give me a freaking break here, young teenagers has done so many tons of mistakes, and yet, they seek God for HIS forgiveness, so don't tell me any of you Christian did not make any simple mistakes by spreading your legs out when you were only a teenagers, we were not taught back then about pregnancy, about sex, about sins, about God of course, so don't go around blaming those women who had a past of having an abortion because things are different now as they were back then... Yes there may be some women and young girls out there who are seeking for an abortion, but that their choice and I know where I stand for abortion which is against it, but I don't go around shoveling things at their face even if they happen to not believe in God or what it may say in the bible.....

And yes, that member should have never call anyone names, or label them for whatever they see in this person when it DID happened in the past, everyone made their share of mistakes , everyone sins, and everyone learn a lesson or two, but don't go around rubbing it in their face when they have already gone to God to seek for His forgiveness and yes God does forgive and forget....Can you???...

WAY TO GO, ANGEL GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Vance]

The whole point is, when a couple of members here came forward and poured out their heart by experiences of an abortion of their past, yet some of you members just walked all over them by throwing a few brielf at them or what it may say in the bible, but the point is, it happened in the PAST, yet does that give you any members a right to say your baby is in hell, you are a slut, you spread your legs out, its all your fault, give me a freaking break here, young teenagers has done so many tons of mistakes, and yet, they seek God for HIS forgiveness, so don't tell me any of you Christian did not make any simple mistakes by spreading your legs out when you were only a teenagers, we were not taught back then about pregnancy, about sex, about sins, about God of course, so don't go around blaming those women who had a past of having an abortion because things are different now as they were back then... Yes there may be some women and young girls out there who are seeking for an abortion, but that their choice and I know where I stand for abortion which is against it, but I don't go around shoveling things at their face even if they happen to not believe in God or what it may say in the bible.....

And yes, that member should have never call anyone names, or label them for whatever they see in this person when it DID happened in the past, everyone made their share of mistakes , everyone sins, and everyone learn a lesson or two, but don't go around rubbing it in their face when they have already gone to God to seek for His forgiveness and yes God does forgive and forget....Can you???...

Angel = True Christian. We need more christians like her and Oceanbreeze...

enuff said

 

[FeistyChick]

And yes, that member should have never call anyone names, or label them for whatever they see in this person when it DID happened in the past, everyone made their share of mistakes , everyone sins, and everyone learn a lesson or two, but don't go around rubbing it in their face when they have already gone to God to seek for His forgiveness and yes God does forgive and forget....Can you???...

thats right!!!

WTG ANGIEPOO!!!

 

[ravensteve1961]

Sooner or later Roe vs Wade will be overturn and when you get a back alley abortion and information leaks out youll be seeing these people at your front door.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

They are supposing to being good listener their feeling instead of judging. That's why I felt that AD members deserve an apology from Crazymann00wt. Of course Y, when she is here.

I agree with you, Liebling. But, don't hold your breath waiting for it. They have their own viewpoints on this issue. Most Christians do, and so, you'd be hard pressed to get an apology for the hate they spew.

It's sad.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Angel = True Christian. We need more christians like her and Oceanbreeze...

enuff said

Aww, Magatsu!

I just don't go around judging people (or I try not to). I'm not perfect, though, and I have made statements from time to time that I'm sure people can take issue with me over. But, you know what? That's fine. If I am wrong, or I offend someone, I cop to it and apologize.

Then, I move on.

I just don't see where calling someone a sinner is gonna solve anything.
If I'm wrong in that, please explain to me how that helps, because, I really don't understand.

 

[Crazymanw00t]

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You said it is woman's body. Now where the baby’s right? You are lacking of logic common sense with the rights for human's life. Fetus is a living thing.

I am sorry and that you are very wrong with woman's body. The babies have their own life, body, and rights. If you are supporting to focus on the woman's life then I should call you as selfish. I am sorry and I have to call you as selfish person. You agree to be selfish with woman's life over the baby's life. For whatever they do mistakes. We cannot soft our heart for their mistake decision to abortion their babies to make up their mistake choices in their life. We have to fight for baby's life with no question asked.

In especially situation as if woman had to give birth and die or to abortion the baby in order to be, remain alive. Then we should leave up to woman's decision because her life and baby depends on her decision (scarifies).

If the bible had not existed then the world will not exist. Therefore, we have to use our bible to show them what they should do and not to do. You may hate it and we still have to show them anyway. You may call us that we shovel the bible in their face, and that is good! You may hate us because you wished to disobey the bible.

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We all are judging on each other. You cannot say that you do not judge me, them, or us. We judge each other anyway. Judging is an important role in our life with the decisions we made.

Will you shoot yourself? No and that is your judgments that you decide to not shoot yourself.

If one day that you decides to wear white clothes during the funnel day. Of course you will judge on that white clothed person and say, what hell are he doing here and where is his respect? That is other judgments that you made on someone else.

If you played as quarterback and you saw two wide receivers are open and you decided to throw the ball either of them. You made the judgments that you decides to throw the ball to one of it.

If you met a woman and you feel that the woman is right then you made the judge on her.

You are trying to say that we cannot judge on anyone or any thing. Therefore, you must not think those women are hot or ugly. It is impossible to do like thing. We are born to judge each other’s. Back to Jesus' quote. Jesus said that you cannot not judge that people are holy and those people are unholy. That is the point.

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Your comment about my vote with Bush is way off-topic. If I voted, Kerry and he still will war with Iraqi anyway. In addition, your comment with that is out of logic debate. Please use your logic next time.

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Yes, I forgive and forget what you had done. I am debating on those abortion issues. I am not pointing only to you. I am fighting to illegal the abortion expects for serious situations. Therefore, it is general issue. Yes, I may use you as example and I already told that it was my mistake.

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There you go again. You had judged that Angel is true Christian. How do you know? Do you have the power to declares that Angel is a true Christian. Of Course not, only Jesus Christ has the power. I am sorry there you are judging again. I have to speak this out. This is way conflict with Jesus Christ's word with judging others. Jesus made it clear do not judge that they are holy and they are not holy people.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

You said it is woman's body. Now where the baby’s right? You are lacking of logic common sense with the rights for human's life. Fetus is a living thing.

I am sorry and that you are very wrong with woman's body. The babies have their own life, body, and rights. If you are supporting to focus on the woman's life then I should call you as selfish. I am sorry and I have to call you as selfish person. You agree to be selfish with woman's life over the baby's life. For whatever they do mistakes. We cannot soft our heart for their mistake decision to abortion their babies to make up their mistake choices in their life. We have to fight for baby's life with no question asked.

This is where most pro choicers and pro-lifers disagree. However, I am gonna say one thing that I do agree with. Personally, I believe that life does begin at conception. However, it is also my belief that I don't have the right to tell someone else what to do with their bodies. I've said it many times already. Regardless of my own personal viewpoint, I support the decisions that each woman makes regardless if I disagree with her or not. It's not my place to judge, and it's not your place, either!

 

[webexplorer]

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We all are judging on each other. You cannot say that you do not judge me, them, or us. We judge each other anyway. Judging is an important role in our life with the decisions we made.
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In the Name of God

I believe that we really do not need to judge anyone. Actually, you really can not force women to make a decision because, unfortuantely, it is not your blood. Having tubes tied up is a best method if they do not want to have a baby. Sex is a big responsibility, and they should know better.

God and Jesus do not want us to control people's life. Please just try to respect our wonderful people, and to be happy because we are only ones that live on earth in the universe.

Off subject:

In some countries, religious people use their traditional method to kill goats and cows to give food to God. This is a big problem because they are murderers, and compare to what you talk about having an abortion which is not part of God. That is the conflict. (Isn't that interesting?)

 

[Beowulf]

Nope.
It is gobbledygook.

 

[Tikra]

FOR god sake, not that shyt again!!! sheesh now that alex locked up old topic and NOW this has came back...

 

[Crazymanw00t]

God and Jesus do not want us to control people's life. Please just try to respect our wonderful people, and to be happy because we are only ones that live on earth in the universe.

In some countries, religious people use their traditional method to kill goats and cows to give food to God. This is a big problem because they are murderers, and compare to what you talk about having an abortion which is not part of God. That is the conflict. (Isn't that interesting?)

Yeah that is other topic to debate with.

First of all. Their religious belief aren't same as mine.

Second, we eat animals. We do not eat humans or unborn babies.

Third, they aren't murder but they can be called as hunter. I am hunter and I already killed some birds. Those birds are fed to my dogs.

You are saying that the animals are born and they kill them right? How about you get all animals and make them do the abortion and how can you live without meats? Same with humans. If we abortion some babies and maybe one of them could be way better than our President Bush. We wasted it. Therefore we must prevent abortion for babies' right.

Other issue with your comments. You said that God don't want us to control people's life. I don't know with that. One thing I can say that we need to control our life little. Do you want let Hitler to kill more jews? No and you want to control his life. That is one of logic debate that I can debate with you. We control our life based on what the bible say. If you disagree what the bible say then I couldn't debate with you.

 

[Cheri]

You are making big deal out of the "Slut" or anything with label-ing. That is not the point that Y mad. Y are trying states the point that why do people open their legs at first place. Therefore they may be called with those labels depneds on the situations. For example, if they open their legs before marriage and they are labeled that they act aganist God's want. I am not saying that they are slut or whatever. But they are acting aganist God's want.

You really amazing me, by saying we made a big deal out of the "Slut" or other words calling. Have you read the bible lately sir? I think you should get a chance to read it all over again. In some cases of people who are very good at judging, but were not good at mercy. Jesus makes it clear in Matthew 18. 15-17 how carefully we should go about the matter of dealing with those who offend against us. You did offend against us. I don't think you don't understand what Jesus have said in the bible under "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged" Jesus taught us part of teaching about love and forgiveness. He tells us to love everyone, including our enemies, and that we should not judge them. We should forgive them. Did not say anything that gives you a right to call anyone names or make anyone feel offended.

What if Jesus Christ approved my comments and shout that your comments are wrong? You have no idea what God will approves or not.

No Jesus would not approved your comment, You know why? Jesus would not allowing name calling or telling anyone who will go to hell, for the sinned they commit. God weighs our good deeds vs. our bad deeds and judges us based on whether our good deeds outweight our bad deeds. The Bible does not say this, who goes to heaven who goes to hell, But, Nowhere in the Bible does it say that our salvation will be judged based on how much good we have done vs. how much evil we have done. We will be judged solely on whether or not Jesus knows us. This is what happens on the final judgement day, Jesus forgives those and forget just like God does. You have not forget, You kept saying oh there is nothing wrong with what Y stated. *shaking my head*

I am looking straight down to the bible verses and use our logic common sense, that's all. I do not depends on our views or thoughts without bible support. We are sinners and our thoughts are full of evil, sinners and unholy. Therefore we gotta use bible lot to support our debates or desicions.

Tell me where in the bible it says that you have the right to judge? Don't tell me that you use your logic common sense from the bible to support your debates. Let me tell you one thing, God/Jesus offering me to have an opportunity to have eternal life. I only look up to him not you you did not die for me Jesus did. So, that doesn't give you a right to preach anyone around here, You are not Jesus You are not our God. Therefore keep your cold heart comment to yourself. How about that?

 

[Beowulf]

Save your breath, Cheri. This guy is missing a couple tacos on his combo platter anyway.

 

[Cheri]

Save your breath, Cheri. This guy is missing a couple tacos on his combo platter anyway.

LOL! Ok thanks Beowulf You're much a sweetheart.

 

[Crazymanw00t]

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First of all, you always keep saying that I am not god. Do you know what, you are damn right and I never said that I am god.

Second, I am not here to preach!!!!!!! I am here to debate and not to preach!

Thrid, I strongly disagree with this statement. And I don't know if you are called as Christian.

No Jesus would not approved your comment, You know why? Jesus would not allowing name calling or telling anyone who will go to hell, for the sinned they commit. God weighs our good deeds vs. our bad deeds and judges us based on whether our good deeds outweight our bad deeds. The Bible does not say this, who goes to heaven who goes to hell, But, Nowhere in the Bible does it say that our salvation will be judged based on how much good we have done vs. how much evil we have done.

Jesus Christ made it clear. Everyone one on this Earth are sinners. There is no worse sin or weak sin in this World. We have one sin equals to all those various sins. Therefore there is no weight on good vs bad deeds. Why? We all are completely unholy and we couldn't reach to holy world just because we are unholy. If we do perfect good deeds life and we still go to hell if we don't ask Jesus's forgive. Why? We are sinners. If that person was doing 1 trillion times worser than Hitler and he asked for forgive and he would go to heaven. Why? He asked for Jesus Christ to forgive his whole sins. There are no weight on good vs bad deeds from Jesus's view.

I use Calvinism's view. God already know who will go to hell or heaven before the world had created.

At last, I do not know everything. Some of you just seems saying that I know everything. No way I did my homework before I debates which it caused you to think that I knew everything.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

If you disagree what the bible say then I couldn't debate with you.

This would be the majority of us, Crazyman. Not that we all disagree with what the Bible says. We just don't stand on it solely to support our arguments. A good many of us aren't doing that, so therefore, you really can't debate most of us here.

 

[scottw]

You think Abortion is not a Sin? "Wrong!"

I am very strong and learning and my study Bible Study for God Word. I study before I am ready to the Pastor.

Abortion is the Birth control is killing the baby. The mean "if you abortion (kill the baby womb). That mean you kill yourself. The Government give you more 100,000 surgery abortion, and medicine 10,000 per medicine. Wow! That made you alot of costy. There is no Benefit (insurance) Period!

Abortion is a Sin mean you not obey to God Word.

You talk about how God create Adam? God create nose breath, and become a dust to human a Man. And then God create woman for them. I don't think how Science think that how change a human. I not agree with that what false Scinece study. But, God create the human.

So, what happen? God warn to Adam and Eden not permission to any eat Gardne, like Fruit. Then, Eden not obey God, also Adam too. What happen, before clear water blood that God create it before. After Adam, and Eden not obey. Now it begin life is a red Blood! Adam, and Eden was work hard awhile the life. And now 2005 are life. No change forever. Because God don't want to use the sin. God hate sin for all. So, the 10 Comm... tell us 5 for false worship warning. 5 for life warning. Do not kill, Do not steal, and etc.

So, if you see Do not killing. Which mean,
If you kill murder other person
If you kill your Baby womb.
If you shot other person.

One there for Baby womb happen. That mean, if baby go wrong with womb, it okay for baby die. Because Doctor success try to help and miracle baby or die. It is okay. Like if baby in womb happen and die. So, Doctor get remove the baby womb. I have my old friend name Karen's happen when she was pregancy, when the baby in womb. She felt something went wrong. Like Baby womb drop heavy. Karen went to Hospital fast. That mean the Baby died. It dind't mean that happen for life.

You know David story? David is the KIng into Bible. David didn't understand why the life begin mean? David learning try to kill other person, and sex. God punishment to David (King) will almost die. But, David say oh, I understand and forgive to God willing. Then, God forgive David (King). David was very talent and serious learning why the life begin.

I have learning a reason why and how God willing and make me feel serious to God don't want to be sin. When I believe Jesus died for me, and do clean away my sin, and Forgive me. Then till I study all the Bible study, go to church, and help other people who not believe Jesus Christ. And then I will die, go to Heaven, when Lord teach me learning what is wrong my sin and now forget. You have to forget your and their sin.

I hope that I pray for you to lesson about Abortion is "not" a sin. God is not agree with this word. Abortion is sin.