A Violation of Human Rights Re: Forcing A Deaf Child to Wear CI

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faire_jour said:
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i have never ever said it was impossible. I have always said the same thing.
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I have not figured out the multi-quote function yet, but I am sure there are others here who can pull out some of your quotes if you can't remember them.
 
I must agree with PFH. My reading on this forum has been reduced to a certain few forums where the blatant audism is absent. No amount of teaching can help a person who does not wish to learn.
 
LDNanna said:
I must agree with PFH. My reading on this forum has been reduced to a certain few forums where the blatant audism is absent. No amount of teaching can help a person who does not wish to learn.
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LDNanna, true, but then with drawing out the views of the blatant ones, many other readers can learn. It is not just about a few.
 
True. By reading the multiple posts I have learned a great deal regarding the meaning of audism and prejudice.
Thank you for your valid viewpoint.
 
ldnanna said:
i must agree with pfh. My reading on this forum has been reduced to a certain few forums where the blatant audism is absent. No amount of teaching can help a person who does not wish to learn.
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+1
 
What I don't understand that she want the CI to work like miracle, yet her daughter can not understand the English language. I am glad that Miss Kat can understand with ASL. FJ kept talking about listening for the CI to work without the aid of lipreading and paper/pen, even the stranger. She think that it is possible for a CI to listen and have spoken language without ASL or lipreading. We have been trying to tell her that CI is only a hearing aid device that will only hear the sounds, not to pick up words. A profound deaf child still can not do that. So FJ is wrong at all level of making us being put down as we are wrong and she is right. Hogwash!
 
f you can understand a strangers spoken language without lipreading, great. That is the point of the CI, to provide that opportunity for profoundly deaf children. Most profoundly deaf people can not do that. They say that they lipread, that it is exhausting, and that it still leaves much to be desired. That there are tons of misunderstandings with lipreading and that, if fact, most of them avoid it whenever possible.
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WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?! Ummm faire joure why are you SO fixtated on the opinon that lip/speechreading is a "crutch?" So if lip/speechreading is hard, imagine how hard it is for someone who's functionally hoh to excluisively use their residual hearing? Many of us CAN in short bursts.....I actually just had my hearing aid off, and I heard my mom say I could have the bath.
You are obviously very unaware that most people who interact on a day to day basis with dhh people, subconciously modify their speech so that dhh people can understand it better.
That doesn't mean that someone with a CI, can understand a stranger with a soft voice, or who doesn't speak very well or even one with a more complicated accent (and no not just talking about Indian or whatever)
You know, back in French class, when we had listening quizzes with professional speakers on CD, even the HEARING KIDS had difficulty understanding the speaker! HEARING KIDS!
 
so you would recommend that as a reliable method of communication?
Well, that's what she uses on a daily basis. Doesn't seem to be a problem for her.
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Are you aware there are many dhh people with oral fluency who have pretty decent speechreading skills? Speechreading is MORE then just reading lips.
 
faire_jour said:
there are a lot of people who would disagree with that.
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The way you said it, it sounded like you were saying that my wife cannot lipread. I know that wasn't your intention. You do have a tendency to put your foot in your mouth.

There are a lot of people who would disagree with you anyway.
 
LDNanna said:
True. By reading the multiple posts I have learned a great deal regarding the meaning of audism and prejudice.
Thank you for your valid viewpoint.
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:ty: You are most welcome, LDNanna. :D
 
GrendelQ said:
I'm very interested in what other people think, I just won't speak on their behalf. You ask me why the majority thinks a certain way that's different from what I think. I don't know, and won't put my words in their mouths.
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You see, some people try to understand where disagreements arise from, not just what other people think.
 
GrendelQ said:
No. My definition is someone who says that he or she is against CIs. You say you are anti-CI. I told you I respected your position, even though I'm not anti-CI.

I don't think that someone who chooses not get get a CI is anti-CI. My father had qualified and opted not to get one. My mother in law would never dream of having surgery to gain hearing. Neither were/are anti CI. I know several children whose parents have opted not to pursue a CI, some probably never considered it. I don't see them as anti-CI.
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Sorry, but I don't get what you are saying. Could you try to define 'anti-CI' a bit more clearly?
 
GrendelQ said:
I think I've been as direct as possible. How can you think I'm not answering?

I haven't seen a post indicating that he feels that those with the ability to hear are superior to those who are deaf. And I'd be pretty surprised to see that, bc his own child is deaf.
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How hundred of thousands of deaf people have described audist behavior among their loving parents and your claim that you would be surprised if Rick was an audist because he has a deaf daughter don't add up.
 
Every hearing parent cannot deny that they wish/ed a one point or other, or even from time to time, that their dhh child could have hearing like them because they cannot fathom how it could be without being able to hear. This is the root of Audism, it is engrained subconsciously in every hearing parent especially.

My loving parents were the same. When they first heard of CIs, they jumped at the possibility and still ask whether I want HAs and they would find the money somehow. But since coming to AD, and 'rediscovering' myself as a Deaf adult. I have discussed these things with them and now they respect my views on the matter. My mother now wants me to teach her some sign. My parents are not ill-intended, far from it, just not well informed in this area.

People become Audists when, although aware of Deaf culture, they still believe that hearing is superior and cultivate it.
 
BecLak, had to respond due to the last responce. I as a hearing parent have never wished my children to be anything but what they are. MY CHILDREN! Our world is their world, which IS the deaf world. Through education, language and activities. They have brought an amazing world of Deaf culture into our lives and we are who we are today because what these 2 beautiful girls have brought to us. There are many avenues in which some parents take , but do not look at us all as being the same, wanting to change our children into what they are not -hearing children. CI's/ hearing aids/ or whatever devise that may be used, us using both, will not change the fact that our children are Deaf children and we will love them nurture them and lives our lives for them through the DEAF Culture and Language
 
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GrendelQ said:
No. My definition is someone who says that he or she is against CIs. You say you are anti-CI. I told you I respected your position, even though I'm not anti-CI.

I don't think that someone who chooses not get get a CI is anti-CI. My father had qualified and opted not to get one. My mother in law would never dream of having surgery to gain hearing. Neither were/are anti CI. I know several children whose parents have opted not to pursue a CI, some probably never considered it. I don't see them as anti-CI.
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Sorry, but I don't get what you are saying. Could you try to define 'anti-CI' a bit more clearly?
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So often I read that the Deaf do not want to be defined by the hearing. I've repeatedly said that I don't want to and don't feel it's my place to categorize the people in my community at one thing or another. That I prefer to respect how each person defines himself or herself. Why are youinsisting that I define you? If you are unclear about your motivations, you need to look inward, not to me for reasons.

You identified as anti-CI, as have several others over the years said they are against cis-- nit just in an individual case, but en masse. That's your prerogative.
 
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flip said:
GrendelQ said:
I think I've been as direct as possible. How can you think I'm not answering?

I haven't seen a post indicating that he feels that those with the ability to hear are superior to those who are deaf. And I'd be pretty surprised to see that, bc his own child is deaf.
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How hundred of thousands of deaf people have described audist behavior among their loving parents and your claim that you would be surprised if Rick was an audist because he has a deaf daughter don't add up.
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Rick is not the parent of those hundreds of thousands who had audist parents-- how can you possibly ascribe their audist behavior to them?

There are hundreds of thousands of people who have been molested by family members. Does that make you culpable for those horrors just bc you are someone's family member?
 
ASLMommax2,

Thank you for sharing. I appreciate it truly. I know there are parents like you, for which there should be more and more of you. I don't look at all hearing parents as the same, there are exceptions. (I also have supportive hearing parents who never tried to make me someone I wasn't)

The purpose for which I have addressed this issue is because, parents like you are rare and far between. It is the general public that needs to be educated to understand what you have come to understand. And this is a public forum.

You have been blessed to have the support of the Deaf community and culture, something many have not been informed about when they have a deaf family member.

But still, you must surely come across ignorance when out in public? That ignorance can be damaging. "Can you truly say that you did not at any time wish your children could hear?" Hearing parents can be swayed by ignorant public opinion, and the 'not so ignorant' hearing and medical professionals and mainstream teachers who benefit from Audism, and can become audist. The very fact someone is hearing is biased to that, unless educated otherwise.

I have experienced the damage of Audism firsthand being mainstreamed and oral only all my life until recently. I survived because of pure determination. I was one of the fortunate ones, because my parents were supportive of me. Many are not so fortunate and have been left with scars emotionally, mentally, and sometimes physically. Audism when it shows its true colours is as fierce as racism. It is a mindset that should not be tolerated.

Your children are blessed that they have parents like you. Please don't take these posts personally. :D
 
I too began with no knowledge of the Deaf culture, we took it in stride. I HAVE NEVER and would never hope for my children to be hearing children, I too feel for the children that don't have the support or the needs to give their children the Deaf Culture and have no means of communication with their children, but I for one would never assume they CHOSE to make their children into "hearing" children. No matter the ways of the world or the choices that are made, these children still need the support of the culture and the ways of Deaf individuals that will be able to show them the way, whether it be in adolecent or adult stages. At some point they are going to look to you and too others for your support.
I am blessed to have my children, the way God gave them to me ( no I am not overly religious, but I like alot of others depend on prayers to show us the way) I thank you for the support and the understanding but you also need to show and give that to others whom have already made the decisions for themselves and for their childre. NOT everyone is as blessed as you and I, and for them I hope for only success!
 
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