A question...is the Cochlear implant made for the hearing or for the deaf?

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I really feel you are smarter than your comments portend.

But if you enjoy the innocent act you put up, ok by me.


And I use innocent in a really old fashioned meaning.

Oddly, I was thinking the same thing about you. Only Ambrosia knows for sure what she intended to compare initially and it seems she agreed with my statement. And Shel clearly stated that the hearing could learn ASL....but choose not to.
 
urgh, id get a better one...
i'm going back abit, in that article...here goes..
it is interesting and it is well-reasoned, and it explains well...

It is important to realize that, while we regard deafness as a disability, we do not regard
it solely as a disability. Indeed, the more we learn about deafness, the less
we see it as disabling of the whole person. That is not an indication that,
given enough time, we will cease to call deafness a disability, for any time
a person cannot physically do what the great majority of people of the
same age could do if they wanted, we will call that a disability. But thanks to
Margaret, our understanding of disabilities has grown enormously. We
see, for example, that some disabilities are clearly worse than others, and that
some disabilities are so addressable that the term disability seems no
longer to have much practical meaning in their case. We see that at least
one disability, profound deafness, actually opens opportunities for human
growth that we never knew existed. Regarding Conclusion 2, while we
believe deafness results in a genuine culture, one unified around an independent
language system, that does not mean that we see deafness as
merely or even typically cultural. Deaf culture differs significantly from all
other cultures we have encountered. For one thing, other cultures (as opposed
to life-styles) and languages (as opposed to vocabulary) are pa.ssed on
overwhelmingly by parents. Our son Thomas, for example, was not suddenly
born French, and our daughter Theresa was not mysteriously born
Indian Hindu. All of our children were born Anglo-American and they will
always be Anglo-American. But this higb correlation (not absolute,
but high) between parental cultural identity and the cultural identity
of children is manifestly untrue in regard to Deaf culture. Ninety percent of
deaf children have hearing parents, and in our circles at least, the great
maiority of deaf parents have at least some hearing kids. Most deaf children
necessarily, therefore, receive most important Deaf cultural input from
nonparental sources (an unnerving thought for parents who are committed
to forming their children as they believe best), and the emotional consequences
of hearing children not belonging to tbeir deaf parents' cultural
community are apparently significant enough to occasion support groups
designed to address these consequences. Moreover, while culture might well
be transcended (and often it should be), it cannot be changed. Even if I
were fluent in Spanish, had acquired an exclusive taste for Mexican food.
and music, and had lived in Mexico for 20 years, I would not he Mexian


hmmm , what you reckon...interesting?

Is there a link for this? Also for the book you mentioned?
 
The cochlear implant does NOT cure your deafness.

It is only better than hearing aids.

You can hear much more sounds than you ever have before but not 100%.

End of story.

I have the CI since last summer and I'm loving it, whether you like it or not.

Your decision which I respect for as long as you are an adult and made an informed decision... that's fine with me really.
 
I am curious about who pays for CI whether it's a success or a failure. It'd better not come from our taxes. I heard that some of the VRs pay for hearing aids. VR is under the state government, therefore we, taxpayers pay for their HAs.

That's correct. However, VR does not pay for the cost of CI, surgery, etc except CI devices such as batteries.
 
This thread has turned WONKY heh LOL I love that word!!!:laugh2:
 
I read it fine, Jiro...it's your understanding that's causing all this anger on your part.

:laugh2: I know Jiro well enough. He is not that angry man. He made alot of logic points. :roll:
 
Your decision which I respect for as long as you are an adult and made an informed decision... that's fine with me really.

Is your approval required for other people's decisions? I don't think I can comply with that.
 
Is your approval required for other people's decisions? I don't think I can comply with that.

SteelX is an adult and made an informed choice of getting CI himself. He is Deaf once and he is still Deaf without CI.

JClarke recently got CI, too, and has full of our support too. He is Deaf and adult, too.

Deaf, HOH, or late Deafened people want CI, then go for it. Putting CIs on kids who are much younger is big NO NO! Ask them whether if they want it or not at FIRST.

I just said I am tired of HEARING parents made a decision of putting CIs on their kids without consulting them FIRST... it bothers me. They simply do not want to learn sign language to communicate with their Deaf kids. They WANT them to do? TALK LIKE A ****ING PARROT!!! I am SICK of them getting a false hope that Deaf kids be like hearing kids. That's so dumb!

Big difference.
 
SteelX is an adult and made an informed choice of getting CI himself. He is Deaf once and he is still Deaf without CI.

JClarke recently got CI, too, and has full of our support too. He is Deaf and adult, too.

Deaf, HOH, or late Deafened people want CI, then go for it. Putting CIs on kids who are much younger is big NO NO! Ask them whether if they want it or not at FIRST.

I just said I am tired of HEARING parents made a decision of putting CIs on their kids without consulting them FIRST... it bothers me. They simply do not want to learn sign language to communicate with their Deaf kids. They WANT them to do? TALK LIKE A ****ING PARROT!!! I am SICK of them getting a false hope that Deaf kids be like hearing kids. That's so dumb!

Big difference.

I don't think we have a right to tell parents how to raise their kids. Especially when medical professionals, some insurance cos and the FDA approve of the procedure.
 
SteelX is an adult and made an informed choice of getting CI himself. He is Deaf once and he is still Deaf without CI.

JClarke recently got CI, too, and has full of our support too. He is Deaf and adult, too.

Deaf, HOH, or late Deafened people want CI, then go for it. Putting CIs on kids who are much younger is big NO NO! Ask them whether if they want it or not at FIRST.

I just said I am tired of HEARING parents made a decision of putting CIs on their kids without consulting them FIRST... it bothers me. They simply do not want to learn sign language to communicate with their Deaf kids. They WANT them to do? TALK LIKE A ****ING PARROT!!! I am SICK of them getting a false hope that Deaf kids be like hearing kids. That's so dumb!

Big difference.

Yes, if I have future child that is deaf and will communicate in ASL only, but I got backfired by some members.

It won't change me, anyway. :cool2:
 
Yes, if I have future child that is deaf and will communicate in ASL only, but I got backfired by some members.

It won't change me, anyway. :cool2:

Not sure why any members would be against that. Perfectly within your rights as a parent.
 
I don't think we have a right to tell parents how to raise their kids. Especially when medical professionals, some insurance cos and the FDA approve of the procedure.

so that means you would do nothing and say same thing to a controversial method 20 years ago that was medically and professionally accepted?
 
Which is irrelevant in this comparison.



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Ambrosia's comparison relates perfectly. She is comparing the hearing, English speaking majority learning the language of a 2 different minority cultures. Because, even as Shel admits, hearing people can learn ASL.

But deaf people can't develop spoken language like hearing people do. Think out of the box!
 
I really feel you are smarter than your comments portend.

But if you enjoy the innocent act you put up, ok by me.


And I use innocent in a really old fashioned meaning.

Same conclusions I have as well.
 
But deaf people can't develop spoken language like hearing people do. Think out of the box!

I was talking about hearing people learning languages, ASL and spanish, not deaf people.
 
I met a man once, and still maintain contact with him, who became deaf over a period of time. A condition he inherited from his mother, he became fully deaf in his 50's I believe. And although he has a Deaf wife, he chose to get the CI. I asked him, as I am not shy about asking anybody pretty much anything, if he heard like a static, or a robotic tone to the sounds, and if he heard better or worse, or about the same. He told me he hears, with the CI active, perfectly. As if he had never become deaf at all. Now, with it off, he is profoundly deaf. But he is deaf, not Deaf, and he an I and his wife all know and understand that. I respect his decision on the matter, as it is his own life to deal with. But as for the effectiveness, I really can't conclude. I can only add my story to the very many I have read about and been told about where-in the CI didn't work, or what have you. Personally, I don't think anything piece of technology should change your identity. No more than Shelby Cobra or McMansion. It's just stuff, and who you are is who you are. If you're Deaf, be Deaf. But I don't see it as a reason to not get a CI or try to do something you think might make you happy. Culture is always changing. Don't be afraid to just be yourself.
 
But deaf people can't develop spoken language like hearing people do. Think out of the box!

Not necessary for the analogy she provided. Ambrosia is talking about hearing people in her example.

Edit I see she confirmed this in post #217
 
I was talking about hearing people learning languages, ASL and spanish, not deaf people.

This thread is about whether CIs are beneficial for hearing people or for deaf people. I stated my opinion because why was it originally invented? Because most hearing people in the deaf person`s life won't learn ASL and they can easily learn it while it is much harder for deaf people to speak and understand spoken languages due to not being able to hear.

U talked about Spanish speaking people and how my reasoning was wonky. Ummm OK... sure.
 
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