A Deaf's View Regarding CI

Of course not, as to that I've also always been close to my hearing family members, relatives and all that.

But it does seem a little bit of a double standard that if some of them are supposedly so proud of their Deaf identity, then shouldn't they be secured enough to also marry one?

Some of them probably won't admit that privately, they probably like the secured feeling of having an hearing person to fall back on. Yet, they put on this "brave front" that they're supposedly so proud to be Deaf and all that.
 
Hohtopics said:
Of course not, as to that I've also always been close to my hearing family members, relatives and all that.

But it does seem a little bit of a double standard that if some of them are supposedly so proud of their Deaf identity, then shouldn't they be secured enough to also marry one?

Some of them probably won't admit that privately, they probably like the secured feeling of having an hearing person to fall back on. Yet, they put on this "brave front" that they're supposedly so proud to be Deaf and all that.
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see this post:

http://www.alldeaf.com/1840421-post3469.html

The only reason I put up with that person for so long was because that person is my mother.
 
I would think as a Deaf person who accepts herself as she is and proud of it, I would be secure enough to marry anyone, not just the Deaf.

PTH - well said.
 
Hohtopics said:
I noticed that some that are being kind of loud on that it's so good to be Deaf and all that are actually married to their hearing husbands. Just saying.

Sure, they're entitled to be married to whomever they wish, of course. But it's like "they want to have their cake and eat it too".
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I don't think it was like... "Ohhhhhhh he's hearing!" *moist* "Imma marry him!"

It probably is more because "He loves me for who I am, and I am thankful to have him in my life."
 
Hohtopics said:
Of course not, as to that I've also always been close to my hearing family members, relatives and all that.

But it does seem a little bit of a double standard that if some of them are supposedly so proud of their Deaf identity, then shouldn't they be secured enough to also marry one?

Some of them probably won't admit that privately, they probably like the secured feeling of having an hearing person to fall back on. Yet, they put on this "brave front" that they're supposedly so proud to be Deaf and all that.
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How unfortunate that you can dictate to us that we "privately like having a hearing person to fall back on". Weren't you the guy that always says we don't speak for others? Yes ... talk about double standards.

I am very proud to be d/Deaf. And, I am very proud of who I have in my life. Hearing status makes NO difference to me, whatsoever. My guess is that it makes a difference to you, otherwise you wouldn't be mentioning it.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Ah, ok, thanks for the explanation :)

I'm going to dig around on the internet and see if there are any personal blogs by those who were implanted as children.
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Just keep in mind that blogs are anecdotal and therefore, not very reliable if you are looking for actual data.
 
deafdyke said:
So in other words while severe and profound spoken language delays are now rarer then they used to be, orally trained kids still hit the fourth grade glass ceiling right? One of the reasons I dislike the oral approach is that it treats itself as the be all and end all that a dhh kid needs. There is NOTHING wrong with oral training. It's a very useful skill. I think most kids can significently benifit from oral training and learning to talk. But, I also think that oral only seems to brush under the rug, the fact that a lot of oral kids start really struggling around fourth grade. I would love it if oral preschools suggested to parents about looking into ASL as a second language program. Yes, traditionally hoh kids have been the most oralized and most mainstreamed kids.....but that doesn't have to be the case. I know many members here who went to oral schools for preschool and kindergarten and then went to Deaf programs. I do have to say that it doesn't surprise me that the kids who do best academicly and socially, are the ones who have ASL abilty. (and oh GOD, at the Clarke School Mainstream conference, I wanted SO badly to go " Your kids don't need to learn to go boo be bah better. They can hear and speak already. Use ASL and Deaf Ed now! They were basicly parrotting the exact same shit that they were when me, Shel90 and bajagirl
were in the system :roll:)
ASL is going to be the Deaf Ed's Braille. Braille is highly identified with Blind Ed. Guess what? Using it is controversial. My friend Kevin went to Perkins (which really really really sucks....damn, if you think that the Deaf School system is bad...you need to look at Blind Ed. There's only one good blind school. A lot of states have closed their blind schools, enrollement is really dwindling etc) and he didn't even get to become fluent in Braille. Back when he was at Perkins, they were pushing books on tape. Back in the 60's 50% of blind kids learned Braille. Now it's only 10%. The kicker....unemployment in the blind community is sky high.....but of those who are Braille literate, they have a very high rate of employment!!!!! Makes you think!
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Right. The ceiling on early gains is still there, and the decline following is still being shown.
 
faire_jour said:
100% BS that they can't swim.

I would like to know where he got his figure about injuries. The percentage seems pulled out of his....mind.

10 and up????? Seriously? That is the worst age to implant. They get very little benefit and don't have the patience to do the work it takes to make it better. Teens are impulsive and want immediate gratification.
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This is a false statement.:roll:
 
messymama said:
Grendel, I have no intention to say one way o another can be wrong, or that you can't do both (SL and CI). I'm just saying that, like many other decisions we parents have to make, you can't say "what would it be if... ?". You gave her all the tools and that's wonderful, but in the end, it will be up to HER to say if she actually had all she needed, when she'll be grown up. Same with my son... One day they will be teenager, then adults, and will have to cope with their parents' mistakes, and I think it's right this way. Our decisions: I think we both agree on that! Saying "let them decide when grown up" has little sense, since that can be another decision, but early intervention is one thing, late intervention is another thing. If you choose to wait, you indeed make a choice anyway.

If I was able to ask my toddler if he wants CI, anyway, I'm sure I would get a firm "NO". Unless they make a cover for CI with Lightening McQueen on it :lol: He accepted HAs... But only because he loves me. He doesn't care about sound at all. Like you said... No two children, no two families are the same!
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True, that. And I am the mother of an adult Deaf son who believes, and demonstrates, that he was given all of the tools he needed without having to undergo a surgical procedure. And, as an adult, he still feels he has all the tools he needs. Given that he is currently a graduate student at a major university, I would say that his assessment is true for him.
 
kokonut said:
For a C.I, auditory input and learning become dramatically less effective and beneficial at 10, 11 or 12 years old than when done at several months old to 3 years old or so. The development of the brain is rapid when it comes to responding to stimuli and learning about the environment at such a young age when compared to 10 or 11 years old.
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This is a gross misrepresentation.
 
kokonut said:
I can't imagine hearing parents telling their deaf/hh children on how lucky they are to be deaf anymore than parents telling their vision impaired children on how lucky they are that they're blind or that their sights are limited.
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Then you have a very distorted vision.
 
Anecdotes are exactly what I'm interested in. How a person talks about their life post-CI implantation can be very revealing.

I.E.: "I can now play the piano and loving it" vs. "I can play piano just like a normal hearing person and loving it."
 
posts from hell said:
I have told my daughter she was lucky.
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And I, my son. And he believes that he has, indeed, been fortunate, as his deafness is a part of who he is and what his world vision has become. He is very much aware that he has had experiences in this life that others have never had the priviledege to have, and that those experiences have made him, in great part, who he is.

"We are what we are because we have been what we have been". Sigmund Freud
 
DeafCaroline said:
Anecdotes are exactly what I'm interested in. How a person talks about their life post-CI implantation can be very revealing.

I.E.: "I can now play the piano and loving it" vs. "I can play piano just like a normal hearing person and loving it."
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Then blogs would be the way to go.:wave: But also, just keep in mind the reliability of the information. As with surveys, the information is very skewed.
 
kokonut said:
You can throw away or put away your CI or HA. Nothing wrong with that.

Keep in mind, 90 percent of all deaf/hh kids are from hearing parents and because of the hearing culture, can you imagine all those parents telling their deaf/hh kids that they are lucky to have a hearing loss? Or it'd be more realistic for them to say that they are lucky that they can hear (from mild to profound, take your pick with hearing technology today).

I don't see it as "unhealthy" to say that they are lucky to be this or that. That depends on what they're talking about. Are you still talking about hearing?
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If more parents focused on the positive and communicated to their children that they were on a unique and positive journey, we would have fewer deaf children with adjustment problems.:cool2:
 
missywinks said:
Yeah, I guess it depends where you are talking about and if those Deaf children were sent to a Deaf school or not. The one I visited in Jamaica was beautiful and they were very rich with culture and language. The kids were really "with it" and all of them were signing and up to par with their hearing peers. It was really neat to see.

Thanks for the point. :)
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In many 3rd world countries, you will find pockets of Deaf culture that are very, very similar to the culture that was once found on Martha's Vineyard. And in those areas, the children are far better off, developmentally, than the ones we see in the U.S.
 
For sure - the internet is the last place to seek accurate data about CIs themselves. Even personal stories about CIs is not that balanced for many would say people encouraged them to write their success stories so you would have to wonder how honest they are being when they know their families and friends will read it.
 
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