A Deaf's View Regarding CI

Great video and his ASL is very clearly, however I found some of what he saying was misled, especially on sport, swimming and scuba diving.

People with CI can swim without any of risk, also just take processor/BTE out before get in water.

For scuba diving, people with CI can scuba diving with around limit to 80 feet deep, I think so please correct if I'm wrong.

For sports, such as football, people with CI can play football but need be careful and make sure that helmet is secured properly.

I'm former football player and used to play in 2002-2004.

Of course, my parent forced me to get CI in late 90's after HA became very little help.
 
Foxrac said:
Great video and his ASL is very clearly, however I found some of what he saying was misled, especially on sport, swimming and scuba diving.

People with CI can swim without any of risk, also just take processor/BTE out before get in water.

For scuba diving, people with CI can scuba diving with around limit to 80 feet deep, I think so please correct if I'm wrong.

For sports, such as football, people with CI can play football but need be careful and make sure that helmet is secured properly.

I'm former football player and used to play in 2002-2004.

Of course, my parent forced me to get CI in late 90's after HA became very little help.
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Agreed. I found his ASL to be very clear, too. On the scuba part, they have changed the limitations as the CI has become more developed. Maybe he was going on an earlier time frame.
 
jillio said:
Agreed. I found his ASL to be very clear, too. On the scuba part, they have changed the limitations as the CI has become more developed. Maybe he was going on an earlier time frame.
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Yup, probably in 1980's, it looks like he graduated from high school in 1980's or early 1990's, that is just my guess because can't find his age.
 
SIgh...the CI is here to stay! It has been 20 years since CI was introduced.
If HA is compatible with Deaf culture, then there's no reason why CI can't be compatible with being Deaf
I find it ironic that some Deaf people think we (hoh kids) are more hearing then deaf.
Being able to hear (via CI or HA) does not make you Hearing, in the same way that giving glasses to a legally blind person does not make them Sighted. They can see....but not normally/the way a sighted person sees.
I agree with the age of 18 and up because a 10 years old kid won't really understand death (as from meningitis).
I don't like CI in infants and young children.
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Buffallo, what if the kid does not have any residual hearing or very little? I kinda agree that kids should be able to chose whether or not they get CI. But there's still a significent minority who don't even benifit from hearing aids. I think that the qualification criteria needs to be VERY strict. If they don't benifit from hearing aids at ALL, AWESOME! Implant them! But if they do have some residual hearing, they should wait until they are a bit older, and help make the decision with their parents. I did hear about a family that implanted their toddler, and asked her if she wanted one. I like that.
 
Foxrac said:
Yup, probably in 1980's, it looks like he graduated from high school in 1980's or early 1990's, that is just my guess because can't find his age.
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This guy must have finished gallaudet around 1995 to 1996 but for youtube, in the video must be in late 2000's. I will say that he might finished high school between 1985 to 1989
 
This guy most certainly seemed to have good intentions, but either his facts are wrong or now they are.


I am a CI user, implanted at 2, and a 2nd time at 7. I was on my high school swimming team, and also have done scuba diving amongst other activities. I am more of a math nerd now, but I used to actively play basketball, football and baseball. I may agree on wrestling, but that applies to anyone and everyone.

His view on getting a CI at 10 years old is fucking stupid. I agree with not forcing a kid when he's older, say 6 and up. But as a 2 year old, I would never know, and I am happy my parents gave me a CI.

At 10 years old, the brain is fundamentally wired to think a certain way, and hence the CI no longer becomes any use. People and especially the "Deaf" have this notion that a CI must work upon implantation, which is just plain false. Because, it's not just hearing, it's also translating electric impulses into meaningful sounds. A deaf person that can talk, or even hearing person who became deaf cannot hear with using a CI. A good analogy would be akin to having an ipod touch be able to play music, but give him a WMA file (incompatible) and it won't know what to do with the data even though it's "supposed" to. At 10 years old, it's too late, and probably not worth getting a CI anyways.

I hear better than most of my friends, and am an avid public speaker and communicator, without a CI that would never happen.
 
shushugah said:
This guy most certainly seemed to have good intentions, but either his facts are wrong or now they are.

I am a CI user, implanted at 2, and a 2nd time at 7. I was on my high school swimming team, and also have done scuba diving amongst other activities. I am more of a math nerd now, but I used to actively play basketball, football and baseball. I may agree on wrestling, but that applies to anyone and everyone.

His view on getting a CI at 10 years old is fucking stupid. I agree with not forcing a kid when he's older, say 6 and up. But as a 2 year old, I would never know, and I am happy my parents gave me a CI.

At 10 years old, the brain is fundamentally wired to think a certain way, and hence the CI no longer becomes any use. People and especially the "Deaf" have this notion that a CI must work upon implantation, which is just plain false. Because, it's not just hearing, it's also translating electric impulses into meaningful sounds. A deaf person that can talk, or even hearing person who became deaf cannot hear with using a CI. A good analogy would be akin to having an ipod touch be able to play music, but give him a WMA file (incompatible) and it won't know what to do with the data even though it's "supposed" to. At 10 years old, it's too late, and probably not worth getting a CI anyways.

I hear better than most of my friends, and am an avid public speaker and communicator, without a CI that would never happen.
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Glad that you like your CI and found it helpful and was glad to have been implanted at young age and all. However, one could still benefit from a CI even when implanted at a later age, including some of the late deafened.
 
shushugah said:
This guy most certainly seemed to have good intentions, but either his facts are wrong or now they are.


I am a CI user, implanted at 2, and a 2nd time at 7. I was on my high school swimming team, and also have done scuba diving amongst other activities. I am more of a math nerd now, but I used to actively play basketball, football and baseball. I may agree on wrestling, but that applies to anyone and everyone.

His view on getting a CI at 10 years old is fucking stupid. I agree with not forcing a kid when he's older, say 6 and up. But as a 2 year old, I would never know, and I am happy my parents gave me a CI.

At 10 years old, the brain is fundamentally wired to think a certain way, and hence the CI no longer becomes any use. People and especially the "Deaf" have this notion that a CI must work upon implantation, which is just plain false. Because, it's not just hearing, it's also translating electric impulses into meaningful sounds. A deaf person that can talk, or even hearing person who became deaf cannot hear with using a CI. A good analogy would be akin to having an ipod touch be able to play music, but give him a WMA file (incompatible) and it won't know what to do with the data even though it's "supposed" to. At 10 years old, it's too late, and probably not worth getting a CI anyways.

I hear better than most of my friends, and am an avid public speaker and communicator, without a CI that would never happen.
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Nice language.

There are MANY, MANY here on this forum who got CIs at a later age, even adults, and are very happy with it. Perhaps you should ask first before you ass-u-me.
 
shushugah said:
This guy most certainly seemed to have good intentions, but either his facts are wrong or now they are.


I am a CI user, implanted at 2, and a 2nd time at 7. I was on my high school swimming team, and also have done scuba diving amongst other activities. I am more of a math nerd now, but I used to actively play basketball, football and baseball. I may agree on wrestling, but that applies to anyone and everyone.

His view on getting a CI at 10 years old is fucking stupid. I agree with not forcing a kid when he's older, say 6 and up. But as a 2 year old, I would never know, and I am happy my parents gave me a CI.

At 10 years old, the brain is fundamentally wired to think a certain way, and hence the CI no longer becomes any use. People and especially the "Deaf" have this notion that a CI must work upon implantation, which is just plain false. Because, it's not just hearing, it's also translating electric impulses into meaningful sounds. A deaf person that can talk, or even hearing person who became deaf cannot hear with using a CI. A good analogy would be akin to having an ipod touch be able to play music, but give him a WMA file (incompatible) and it won't know what to do with the data even though it's "supposed" to. At 10 years old, it's too late, and probably not worth getting a CI anyways.

I hear better than most of my friends, and am an avid public speaker and communicator, without a CI that would never happen.
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Might ask drphil about your ideas. He was late deafened, spent many years deaf, and has a cochlear implant for the last 5 years.

He loves it and I think he can hear with it.
 
I found this video very interesting as I have only heard the hearing perspective of it before. I know that deaf people are very proud of their deafness, but why can't a child have an opportunity in both worlds? I personally believe that if you do have a deaf child, you should put them in an ASL class and try your best yourself to learn ASL, but does that mean that they shouldn't have the chance to hear if they wanted?

I have heard from several different places (though haven't actually done the research myself) that implanting a child at a earlier age does make the CI more effective. I do not believe though that someone implanted later in life could not learn to have the same effectiveness, but that it is easier if implanted as a young child.

Ultimately I think that it should be the parents decision (though opposite of what the video was trying to say). No matter what they decide, I think that they should hear it from all sides, not just from the doctor. They should consult deaf people who did not get the CI, deaf people who did get the CI and how it affected them in order to get an accurate understanding of what it means. I do believe the parents should make an honest effort to get their child involved in the deaf community and even get themselves involved.
 
I personally believe that if you do have a deaf child, you should put them in an ASL class and try your best yourself to learn ASL, but does that mean that they shouldn't have the chance to hear if they wanted?

I have heard from several different places (though haven't actually done the research myself) that implanting a child at a earlier age does make the CI more effective. I do not believe though that someone implanted later in life could not learn to have the same effectiveness, but that it is easier if implanted as a young child.
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Agreed. And it does seem like even Deaf families agree. There are some Deaf families who sign at home, but who send their kids to CID or other programs to learn to talk. I think a lot of Deaf people are OK with CI, as long as ASL is included.
 
You know what I find ironic. Deaf parents who implant their kids, but continue ASL are always cited by hearing parents as examples of the deaf that are in favor of CI, but when a hearing person, such as myself, proposes the same thing, I am accused of being anti-CI.:laugh2:

Tell you anything about the state of confusion those hearing parents live in?
 
jillio said:
You know what I find ironic. Deaf parents who implant their kids, but continue ASL are always cited by hearing parents as examples of the deaf that are in favor of CI, but when a hearing person, such as myself, proposes the same thing, I am accused of being anti-CI.:laugh2:

Tell you anything about the state of confusion those hearing parents live in?
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OK, wait, now I'm confused. You've encountered people who consider a hearing person who proposes both CIs and ASL to be anti-CI?
 
GrendelQ said:
OK, wait, now I'm confused. You've encountered people who consider a hearing person who proposes both CIs and ASL to be anti-CI?
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Right here on this forum. Hearing parents of oral CI children. They even consider a Deaf member here who proposes that ASL be used in conjunction with a CI to be anti-CI.
 
I know plenty of people who are Deaf, and learned to speak, through vocal vibrations, but when they received a CI, they couldn't hear much with it, I apologize to those who do have a CI now, and love it. My main point however, was that it's not as effective as when you are implanted by the age of 2, or now even 1 years old. I dont understand the concept of force, or choice, it's like saying my kid can choose what religion he wants when he's 18, but by then he won't be interested in religion with little or no religious training (I happen to not be religious, and am not advocating for or against, but this is just an analogy).

He makes parents who give their kids CI, sound like horrible people? O.o
 
jillio said:
Right here on this forum. Hearing parents of oral CI children. They even consider a Deaf member here who proposes that ASL be used in conjunction with a CI to be anti-CI.
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Oh yea...big time! I was called anti-CI all because I am against oral-only.
 
Good paper. They have a pretty good grasp of the basics of the issues.
 
jillio said:
Good paper. They have a pretty good grasp of the basics of the issues.
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Yes, this paper got both sides of the issue. However, they said CI surgery is one time thing.... I gotta disagree with that one as we already saw that for some it was more than one time thing.

Also I disagree with the part about it being easier to alter the deaf people rather than providing special services for the deaf. Reason #1 - we already saw that some CI kids still need special services. Reason #2 - it is far easier to teach hearing people sign language from when they are young. I didn't say ASL as they would want to speak and sign at the same time. We Deaf people can keep ASL among ourselves - a secret language! Reason #3 - Once everybody knows sign language, there won't be any need for CI and maybe hearing aids. That would keep the health costs down. The elderly who can't really afford hearing aids, won't be feeling left out if they don't buy an hearing aid. Reason #4 - Once everybody knows sign language, we won't need special services.
 
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