a Deaf view on CI -- video

[Audiofuzzy]

I am not saying about early any language,
I am saying about early implanation. Rick's thread showed clearly how and why the time matters so much in early implanation. Whoever understands that, doesn't say" let the child decide".



Fuzzy

 

[rick48]

I am not saying about early any language,
I am saying about early implanation. Rick's thread showed clearly how and why the time matters so much in early implanation. Whoever understands that, doesn't say" let the child decide".



Fuzzy

Thanks Fuzzy but it is not just me and not just the article I posted. The research just confirms what those who have been around implanted children for years have known all along: that there are tremendous benefits to early implantation.

The reality is that today, given the over two decades body of research and real life experiences, any parent of a newly diagnosed deaf child who does not consider and research the implant, is doing their child a disservice. The "let the child decide when he's older" line is bogus and a failure to fulfill one's parental obligations and responsibilities to their child.

Hang in there Fuzzy, November 9th is right around the corner!
Rick

 

[rick48]

and BTW I do not mean that a parent has to choose a cochlear implant for their child but that they need to do the work necessary to make a well informed and reasoned decision.

 

[shel90]

Thanks Fuzzy but it is not just me and not just the article I posted. The research just confirms what those who have been around implanted children for years have known all along: that there are tremendous benefits to early implantation.

The reality is that today, given the over two decades body of research and real life experiences, any parent of a newly diagnosed deaf child who does not consider and research the implant, is doing their child a disservice. The "let the child decide when he's older" line is bogus and a failure to fulfill one's parental obligations and responsibilities to their child.

Hang in there Fuzzy, November 9th is right around the corner!
Rick

According to who?

 

[Audiofuzzy]

According to who?

I think, according to research?

The research just confirms what those who have been around implanted children for years have known all along: that there are tremendous benefits to early implantation.

Fuzzy

 

[shel90]

I think, according to research?


Fuzzy

No, the opinion that parents are not fulfilling their parental responsibilites if they dont do the research and consider implanting their children. I want to know according to who and who made that judgement? If parents dont want to be judged for implanting their children, I respect that but the same respect should go for those who dont want to implant their children. Parents SHOULD not be felt that they are neglectful to their children for not implanting them and then end up implanting them so they wont be accused for doing a disservice to their children. That will not help the situation. It goes both ways.

 

[jillio]

No, the opinion that parents are not fulfilling their parental responsibilites if they dont do the research and consider implanting their children. I want to know according to who and who made that judgement? If parents dont want to be judged for implanting their children, I respect that but the same respect should go for those who dont want to implant their children. Parents SHOULD not be felt that they are neglectful to their children for not implanting them and then end up implanting them so they wont be accused for doing a disservice to their children. That will not help the situation. It goes both ways.

Exactly. Implied in that statement is that I have done a disservice to my son by choosing to allow him to decide whether he feels that he will benefit from a CI. So that making sure that he was exposed to the deaf community, providing speech therapy and HAs, learning a new language in order to better communicate with him, providing a linguistically rich environment to insure early language development and acquisition, going to due process to insure that he was provided with the edcuational environment that would best facillitate his educational achievement, putting him through college, and doing everything possible to insure that he reached adulthood well adjusted and capable was doing him a disservice simply because I did not include a CI in the equation? Puhleeze!

What about the parents that stick a CI ontheir kid and don't follow up with any type of auditory training to insure that their child learns to use the CI to the optimal benefit? What about the parents that neglect their child's need for full and effective communciation withint he home and educational environment, even though their child has a CI. What about the parents that neglect their child's social and psychological growth and development because they hold the attitude that A CI takes care of all of that? Are those parents doing their child a disservice? Waht about those parents who restrict their chidl to an oral only environment both educationally and in the home, and ignore the delays that are so apparent as a result?

 

[Audiofuzzy]

No, the opinion that parents are not fulfilling their parental responsibilites if they dont do the research and consider implanting their children. I want to know according to who and who made that judgement? If parents dont want to be judged for implanting their children, I respect that but the same respect should go for those who dont want to implant their children. Parents SHOULD not be felt that they are neglectful to their children for not implanting them and then end up implanting them so they wont be accused for doing a disservice to their children. That will not help the situation. It goes both ways.

Well I too, think if a parent neglects to check out one venue while making decision it means not fulfilling responsibilities.

If you have a child you have to do research. You have to know what options are out there.
Only then you can make an informed decision.
And with the babies and CI, informed decision is chosing for you baby knowing fully well the early implantation is CRUCIAL for best success with CI. not the "let the child decide" - that only shows lack of subject understanding and research.

Fuzzy

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Exactly. Implied in that statement is that I have done a disservice to my son by choosing to allow him to decide whether he feels that he will benefit from a CI. So that making sure that he was exposed to the deaf community, providing speech therapy and HAs, learning a new language in order to better communicate with him, providing a linguistically rich environment to insure early language development and acquisition, going to due process to insure that he was provided with the edcuational environment that would best facillitate his educational achievement, putting him through college, and doing everything possible to insure that he reached adulthood well adjusted and capable was doing him a disservice simply because I did not include a CI in the equation? Puhleeze!

What about the parents that stick a CI ontheir kid and don't follow up with any type of auditory training to insure that their child learns to use the CI to the optimal benefit? What about the parents that neglect their child's need for full and effective communciation withint he home and educational environment, even though their child has a CI. What about the parents that neglect their child's social and psychological growth and development because they hold the attitude that A CI takes care of all of that? Are those parents doing their child a disservice? Waht about those parents who restrict their chidl to an oral only environment both educationally and in the home, and ignore the delays that are so apparent as a result?

You could have done ALL that what you did for your son while also implanting your son early, Jill.

Your son could have had both worlds at its best - ASL and deaf culture as it is now, PLUS he could have hear a lot better with CI obtained in early childhood.
Now, he will never recover that. Not to the same the degree, no. The time is something irrevocable with CI because it is closely intertwined with the way human brain developes hearing and sound after birth.
That is the sad reality of "let the child decide".

Also, from your other replies in other threads- "my son doesn't want CI, my son finds HAs confusing" - it's clear he is and was strongly conditioned by you from the very beginning.


Fuzzy

 

[jillio]

Well I too, think if a parent neglects to check out one venue while making decision it means not fulfilling responsibilities.

If you have a child you have to do research. You have to know what options are out there.
Only then you can make an informed decision.
And with the babies and CI, informed decision is chosing for you baby knowing fully well the early implantation is CRUCIAL for best success with CI. not the "let the child decide" - that only shows lack of subject understanding and research.

Fuzzy

And, what about those parents who do not check out any other options other than CI and oral methods? Are they not fulfillingtheir full resposnibilities, as well?

 

[jillio]

You could have done ALL that what you did for your son while also implanting your son early, Jill.

Your son could have had both worlds at its best - ASL and deaf culture as it is now, PLUS he could have hear a lot better with CI obtained in early childhood.
Now, he will never recover that. Not to the same the degree, no. The time is something irrevocable with CI because it is closely intertwined with the way human brain developes hearing and sound after birth.
That is the sad reality of "let the child decide".

Also, from your other replies in other threads- "my son doesn't want CI, my son finds HAs confusing" - it's clear he is and was strongly conditioned by you from the very beginning.


Fuzzy

He was not strongly conditioned by me, he was stronglyu conditioned by his respsonse to his deafness, and the way in which he was comfortable adapting to it. Just because he has decided that he does not want a CI does not mean that he was "conditioned" by me in any way.

My son already has the best of both worlds. When you have achieved to the same level that he has, Fuzzy, you can make a jhudgement about my parenting. Until then, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Not does he have any thing to recover from. He is not ill. He is deaf.

 

[shel90]

He was not strongly conditioned by me, he was stronglyu conditioned by his respsonse to his deafness, and the way in which he was comfortable adapting to it. Just because he has decided that he does not want a CI does not mean that he was "conditioned" by me in any way.

My son already has the best of both worlds. When you have achieved to the same level that he has, Fuzzy, you can make a jhudgement about my parenting. Until then, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Not does he have any thing to recover from. He is not ill. He is deaf.

LOL! Not ill! That's so true..nothing to recover from.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

LOL! Not ill! That's so true..nothing to recover from.

I am not saying her son is ill. I am saying if he chose to implant now he will never have as good results as he would if jillio implanted him in his early years.
That opportunity is lost. Forever.


Fuzzy

 

[Audiofuzzy]

And, what about those parents who do not check out any other options other than CI and oral methods? Are they not fulfillingtheir full resposnibilities, as well?

Those parents who are not checking out about ASL and deaf world- they are not fulfilling their responsibilities either. But so are those who don't research and understand the importance of early implantation. They are BOTH WRONG.


Fuzzy

 

[jillio]

I am not saying her son is ill. I am saying if he chose to implant now he will never have as good results as he would if jillio implanted him in his early years.
That opportunity is lost. Forever.


Fuzzy

And, obviously, he does not need the CI in order to live a full and successful life. So what is your point? I have raised a deaf son that is both bilingual and bicultural. He attends a hearing university, takes the same course load as hearing students, and maintains a high "B" average. He has a full social life. He is happy and well adjusted. He interacts witht he hearing world on a daily basis, and has never shyed away from a challenge. He lives independently, and works at the same time that he carries 15 credit hours a quarter. He is doing all, and more, than many hearing students and doing it successfully. All without a CI.

Nor does he sit around wondering "what if". He deals with what is.

And for you to suggest that I have failed to fulfill my obligation to my child simply because I decided that I would allow him to choose for himself if he wanted a CI is the most absurd thing I have ever read.

And, no you did not say my son was ill. What you used was the term "recover". And I maintain that he has nothing to recover from. He is not ill so there is nothing he needs to recover from.

 

[jillio]

Those parents who are not checking out about ASL and deaf world- they are not fulfilling their responsibilities either. But so are those who don't research and understand the importance of early implantation. They are BOTH WRONG.


Fuzzy

I did the research, Fuzzy. And I made an informed decision based on the research I did. I decided that it was not necessary to surgically alter my child in order to raise him to be happy, healthy, well adjusted, and well educated. And my assessment has held true for 21, almost 22, years now. My goal was to raise my son to be the best that he could be, and he has consistently made me very proud by never backing away from a challenge, never using his deafness as an excuse for not making an effort at excellence, for not doing anything he has ever decided he wanted to do. My goals have been realized, and my son is now in the processs of realizing all of his goals. My goal was not to make my deaf child hear, but to raise himto be the best he could be whether he was deaf or hearing. His deafness is incidental to the equation.

 

[jillio]

Those parents who are not checking out about ASL and deaf world- they are not fulfilling their responsibilities either. But so are those who don't research and understand the importance of early implantation. They are BOTH WRONG.


Fuzzy

So, you are saying that your own parents did not fulfill their responsibilities?

 

[SxyPorkie]

Fuzzy...Oh please stop bashing.... You know nothing about Deaf Culture.... I know you wear two HAs and speak... you know very little of ASL... so Please respect this thread...

 

[Audiofuzzy]

And, obviously, he does not need the CI in order to live a full and successful life. So what is your point? I have raised a deaf son that is both bilingual and bicultural. He attends a hearing university, takes the same course load as hearing students, and maintains a high "B" average. He has a full social life. He is happy and well adjusted. He interacts witht he hearing world on a daily basis, and has never shyed away from a challenge. He lives independently, and works at the same time that he carries 15 credit hours a quarter. He is doing all, and more, than many hearing students and doing it successfully. All without a CI.

Nor does he sit around wondering "what if". He deals with what is.

And for you to suggest that I have failed to fulfill my obligation to my child simply because I decided that I would allow him to choose for himself if he wanted a CI is the most absurd thing I have ever read.

And, no you did not say my son was ill. What you used was the term "recover". And I maintain that he has nothing to recover from. He is not ill so there is nothing he needs to recover from.

I said: "will never recover the time that was lost". And that is TRUE.

As for not fulfilling your reponsibilities: saying "let the child decide " is what it is, yes - it shows the lack of subject understanding. or researching this stuff altogether.
Because in the case of born severely-profound deaf baby there is only one choice - and it is for the parent to do. NEVER for the child.

If you researched early implanation well, and being fully aware of the implication of delaying implanting, of the fact that by withdrawing from early implantation you will also restrict optimal CI benefits - you decided it doesn't matter because in your opinion hearing is not needed to lead successful life, that's YOUR RATIONAL CHOICE, yes, which you unfortunately had to undertake on behalf of your young child.

But saying - yes I did research, and I left the choice to be made by a child later - it's baloney.
It's shows lack of understading why early implantation is most important, it's pushing over your parental resposibilityto an immature child, and lack of courage.
So if you, jillio say: "I left it to my son to decide about CI in 10, 15, 20 y. later" - no, you did not seem to fulfill your responsibility. And you are saying so if you say "the child will decide later for himself".



Fuzzy

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Fuzzy...Oh please stop bashing.... You know nothing about Deaf Culture.... I know you wear two HAs and speak... you know very little of ASL... so Please respect this thread...

Nobody's bashing nothing. Deaf Culture is wonderful, and so is ASL. Please respect ME, and don't attack ME.

Fuzzy