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There are plenty of adults who wish to improve their hearing. They have been willing to undergo testing and procedures to try to improve their hearing and it has been of great benefit to so many others. I don't think it makes them guinea pigs, I think it makes them pioneers.

These brave pioneers are the ones who do the trials on testing that hasn't been proven. Therefore, they are still 'guinea-pigs'.

There are many of us who have been down that 'guinea-pig' road without a choice. From the 'horse's mouth' - PLEASE NO MORE!!! THANK YOU!!!

[7. Multimodal cognitive “brain training” exercises ] - Very familiar - just like the monstrous speech therapy routine.

BTW, Grendel, Nice simple-to-read list (Being a teacher, I like lists myself :lol:) Very helpful to clarify things - but I read and comprehended the article just fine, thank you. :D :hug:
 
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These brave pioneers are the ones who do the trials on testing that hasn't been proven. Therefore, they are still 'guinea-pigs'.

There are many of us who have been down that 'guinea-pig' road without a choice. From the 'horse's mouth' - PLEASE NO MORE!!! THANK YOU!!!

[7. Multimodal cognitive brain training exercises ] - Very familiar - just like the monstrous speech therapy routine.

BTW, Grendel, Nice simple-to-read list (Being a teacher, I like lists myself :lol:) Very helpful to clarify things - but I read and comprehended the article just fine, thank you. :D :hug:

i don't want to get into this whole thing again, but there are plenty of deaf adults who disagree with you. They are thankful for their speech therapy, and enjoyed it, and advocate for spoken language for deaf children.
 
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Yes, if ADULTS make that choice it is their choice. But, God-forbid, if another 'trend' of the medical profession starts messing with children's brain matter all in the name of science or medical advancement or 'cure'.
 
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Yes, if ADULTS make that choice it is their choice. But, God-forbid, if another 'trend' of the medical profession starts messing with children's brain matter all in the name of science or medical advancement or 'cure'.

no one is messing with a child's brain matter...unless you mean providing language to strengthen the synapes!
 
Cochlear implants are likely to become multi-functional, combining drug-delivery (e.g., neurotrophic factors) and cell-delivery capabilities to rescue spiral ganglion cells or even generate new ones; innovations in design will allow better encoding of temporal fine structure, improving speech perception against background noise and the ability to enjoy music. Hearing conserva- tion through cochlear implantation should allow the synergistic combination of acoustical and electrical stimulation of the same ear; further technological advances will probably improve the outcome of implantation. Objective markers of brain maturation or response to complex sounds (e.g., with the use of electroencephalo- graphic measures) may guide future decisions about candidacy for cochlear implantation. Actively harnessing the brain’s computational capacity through the development of multimodal cognitive “brain training” exercises will probably further enhance outcomes. Emerging evidence suggests that auditory brain-stem implantation may be of value in children who do not have cochlear nerves.

Bolded: That's messing with someone's brain if you ask me. Zapped.
 
Cochlear implants are likely to become multi-functional, combining drug-delivery (e.g., neurotrophic factors) and cell-delivery capabilities to rescue spiral ganglion cells or even generate new ones; innovations in design will allow better encoding of temporal fine structure, improving speech perception against background noise and the ability to enjoy music. Hearing conserva- tion through cochlear implantation should allow the synergistic combination of acoustical and electrical stimulation of the same ear; further technological advances will probably improve the outcome of implantation. Objective markers of brain maturation or response to complex sounds (e.g., with the use of electroencephalo- graphic measures) may guide future decisions about candidacy for cochlear implantation. Actively harnessing the brain’s computational capacity through the development of multimodal cognitive “brain training” exercises will probably further enhance outcomes. Emerging evidence suggests that auditory brain-stem implantation may be of value in children who do not have cochlear nerves.

Bolded: That's messing with someone's brain if you ask me. Zapped.
So is using an electric toothbrush, if you're defining it in this way.
 
Reading a book. Turning on a light. Playing the piano. Telling a story.

= Messing with someone's brain.
 
There are both non-intrusive and intrusive measures mentioned. Electrical stimulation - how does that not effect the brain in some manner. Brain-stem implantation. Please don't take me as a fool. Brain training exercises is the same as saying Brain therapy.
Cochlear implants becoming multi-functional in both drug-delivery and cell-delivery. Wasn't it just said in previous posts, that we are to try and avoid drugs that damage hearing, how do we know that these drugs being delivered by CIs will not do the same or worse?
 
Yes, if ADULTS make that choice it is their choice. But, God-forbid, if another 'trend' of the medical profession starts messing with children's brain matter all in the name of science or medical advancement or 'cure'.

You may not want to know if a drug you are about to be given might have a permanent affect on you or your child, and an alternative could be used instead, but I would like to know. I do want medical advances to continue.

The Nature Neuroscience study on multimodal cognitive training didn't feature guinea pigs or the 'monstrous speech therapy' you had, but there were rats and music playing, apparently. I'm very glad the 'monstrous speech therapy' you undertook is not in my child's future and credit advances in educational methodologies and technology for that. You may not want to see medicine, education, technology, communication methods change and advance, but I sure do.

What's nice, though, is that you don't have to participate in or even pay attention to these medically and educationally-oriented developments listed. I would never suggest that the paths you are taking or have taken are invalid. I'm very sorry you feel that your parents required you to be someone's guinea pig and it turned out badly for you. I'm not your mother. :shrug:

And 'that's not how we've done it around here' doesn't mean it's a path to failure; sometimes the right path isn't mapped out with little signposts for me or for my child. You might find that to be the case as well. We have to use all the information we can get our hands on, tap every resource, and make judgment calls based on what we know about our child's needs and abilities. We're accountable for all that, but to our children, not to you. If I choose a different path from yours, it has everything to do with my child and nothing to do with you: I'm not disparaging your choices. Don't disparage mine.
 
Brain training exercises is the same as saying Brain therapy.

Reading is a brain training exercise. Doing crossword puzzles and math are brain training exercises. Listening to music is a brain training exercise. Looking at colors, at art, at lights, at someone using ASL are brain training exercises. Exercising your brain is not a bad thing.
 
Reading is a brain training exercise. Doing crossword puzzles and math are brain training exercises. Listening to music is a brain training exercise. Looking at colors, at art, at lights, at someone using ASL are brain training exercises. Exercising your brain is not a bad thing.

We know that. It is just that we cannot believe that auditory brain-stem implantation is the same as using an electric toothbrush. You know?
 
We know that. It is just that we cannot believe that auditory brain-stem implantation is the same as using an electric toothbrush. You know?

Didn't say it was.
 
Electrical stimulation - how does that not effect the brain in some manner.

An EEG records the electrical activity along the scalp produced by the firing of neurons within the brain.
 
Sigh. No need to get defensive. Look at your post 607.

Not defensive. But I don't see where you think I said using an electric toothbrush is the same as auditory brain-stem implantation :)
 
Cochlear implants are likely to become multi-functional, combining drug-delivery (e.g., neurotrophic factors) and cell-delivery capabilities to rescue spiral ganglion cells or even generate new ones; innovations in design will allow better encoding of temporal fine structure, improving speech perception against background noise and the ability to enjoy music. Hearing conserva- tion through cochlear implantation should allow the synergistic combination of acoustical and electrical stimulation of the same ear; further technological advances will probably improve the outcome of implantation. Objective markers of brain maturation or response to complex sounds (e.g., with the use of electroencephalo- graphic measures) may guide future decisions about candidacy for cochlear implantation. Actively harnessing the brain’s computational capacity through the development of multimodal cognitive “brain training” exercises will probably further enhance outcomes. Emerging evidence suggests that auditory brain-stem implantation may be of value in children who do not have cochlear nerves.

Bolded: That's messing with someone's brain if you ask me. Zapped.
I am going to get reamed for asking but do you have a source for this information or is this based on opinion and/or hearsay? Just curious.
 
She got it from here if that's what you are asking... as for the bottom line of her post, it's her opinion of it:

From Profound Deafness in Childhood, The New England Journal of Medicine, Oct 7, 2010, Andrej Kral, M.D., Ph.D., and Gerard M. O’Donoghue, M.D.

This is just a small clip from an article that tackles a broad range of issues facing children with profound hearing loss. Interesting commentary on educational choices as well, but that would take us way off topic, and I want to stick with cures and cats here.
 
She got it from here if that's what you are asking... as for the bottom line of her post, it's her opinion of it:

That post was just a direct clip. I gave my opinion in a later post, but only on the value of flagging those with a genetic predisposition to being sensitive to ototoxic drugs.
 
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