A body remains might belong to Caylee Anthony's

C.C.Sinned said:
true, however The term "insanity" means that a person suffers from a mental disease or defect. Because of that defect did not know what she was doing. Or if she knew what she was doing, she didn't understand that the behavior was wrong at the time.

Anthony's lawer will hire a shrink that will claim she is nutty than a squirrel turd.

lets see what the state's shrink has to say :popcorn:
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Not necessarily. One can have a mental disorder that interfers with rational thought in some ways, but not in others. For instance, a schizophrenic could be determined to understand that murder is wrong, but still be so impaired as to believe that a murder was necessary for self defense in the case of a delusional state. In that case, they would not be found "not guilty by reason of insanity" but rather "guilty but insane" and remanded into treatment until which time they would be transfered to a prison to serve out the remainder of their sentence. Not guilty by reason of insanity is a very rare verdict.
 
jillio said:
Those with psychotic disorders would have difficulty planning a crime like this. But there are other disorders that would allow someone to plan and carry out a crime, and still be diagnosed with a mental disorder than impairs their judgement in other ways.
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it's also possible that someone with certain mental disorders could hire someone else to commit the murder.
 
jillio,

am i correct about the use of the term insanity in the mental health field? is this term only used in the court system?
 
Hear Again said:
jillio,

am i correct about the use of the term insanity in the mental health field? is this term only used in the court system?
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Yes, you are correct. Unfortunately, the legal profession hasn't caught up with the change in terminology yet.
 
Hear Again said:
it's also possible that someone with certain mental disorders could hire someone else to commit the murder.
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Absolutely. Or have a disorder that causes them to be overly dependent and more likely to protect someone they know that committed the act out of a distorted sense of loyalty and fear of loss.
 
Hear Again said:
i'm glad you find this so amusing cc. :mad2:

for your information, the term "insanity" is no longer used in the mental health field. that term was thrown out 20 years ago. the correct term is now mentally ill.
by the way, i'm well aware of what mental illness is as i've been dealing with it since the early 90s thank you very much.

what else do you expect casey anthony's attorney to do? it still all comes down to the preponderance of the evidence. if the jury isn't convinced of the fact that casey isn't mentally ill, she will be found guilty, so the fact that her attorney will end up hiring a psychiatrist supporting evidence of mental illness has nothing to do with it.
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I'm not using it in terms of the mental health field. Using in as it is used in the legal field...


people with mental illness can still be found guilty. it al comes down to weather or not Anthony did not know what she was doing. Or if she knew what she was doing, she didn't understand that the behavior was wrong at the time of Caylee's death
 
rest in peace Caylee hopefully someone will bring up justice for her murder

my word is final
 
C.C.Sinned said:
I'm not using it in terms of the mental health field. Using in as it is used in the legal field...


people with mental illness can still be found guilty. it al comes down to weather or not Anthony did not know what she was doing. Or if she knew what she was doing, she didn't understand that the behavior was wrong at the time of Caylee's death
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yes, but you are accusing her before she has even gone to trial. she hasn't been evaluated by a psychiatrist yet at her trial, so let's not judge her sanity.
 
It'll be interesting to see how both lawyers are going to build this case around.

As often as we hear it all the time with this quote - "Innocent until proven guilty." This quote should be able to cover it all and for once, to see whomever is guilty to be brought to justice but however, ironically, a lot of people are automatically thinking of this in an opposite way to say "guilty until proven innocent".

The evidences and the DNA tells the story itself but however, a case should not be based only on the evidence and the DNA. It should be built with various information that are gathered and a lot of supporting cause to find out who exactly did the heinous murder of Caylee.

So, with that, It remains to be seen until otherwise.
 
jillio said:
Not necessarily. One can have a mental disorder that interfers with rational thought in some ways, but not in others. For instance, a schizophrenic could be determined to understand that murder is wrong, but still be so impaired as to believe that a murder was necessary for self defense in the case of a delusional state. In that case, they would not be found "not guilty by reason of insanity" but rather "guilty but insane" and remanded into treatment until which time they would be transfered to a prison to serve out the remainder of their sentence. Not guilty by reason of insanity is a very rare verdict.
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:hmm: interesting

So that is how it works for those that are convicted...
 
C.C.Sinned said:
I'm not using it in terms of the mental health field. Using in as it is used in the legal field...


people with mental illness can still be found guilty. it al comes down to weather or not Anthony did not know what she was doing. Or if she knew what she was doing, she didn't understand that the behavior was wrong at the time of Caylee's death
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That is only true in a verdict of "not guilty by reason of insanity". "Guilty but insane" does not have that criteria attached to it.
 
C.C.Sinned said:
:hmm: interesting

So that is how it works for those that are convicted...
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not everyone.

most people accused of crimes will try to file an insanity plea. some are successful while others are not. i strongly disagree with this behavior (for those who do not have legitimate forms of mental illness), but it isn't going to stop anytime soon.
 
C.C.Sinned said:
:hmm: interesting

So that is how it works for those that are convicted...
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Yes. The majority of people who go to trial with a mental illness are determined to be "guilty but insane." Then there are those that never go to trial because they are not mentally capable of understanding what is going on at the trial because of their illness. Then, a very very few are deemed to be well enough to go to trial, but so severely impaired at the time the crime was committed that they are found to be "not guilty by reason of insanity."

There is a really interesting book on mental illness and prisoners called "Executing the Mentally Ill." It is mostly about the death penalty as applied to mentally ill prisoners, but it really is an eye opener regarding penal system's treatment of mentally ill convicts.
 
jillio said:
Yes. The majority of people who go to trial with a mental illness are determined to be "guilty but insane."
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cc could you clarify what you meant? i interpreted your comments to mean the majority of people who do not have mental illness.
 
Hear Again said:
yes, but you are accusing her before she has even gone to trial. she hasn't been evaluated by a psychiatrist yet at her trial, so let's not judge her sanity.
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only replied to what you brought up.


I don't think Momma Anthony is ill. IMHO she is just a cold blooed liar that most likely murder her own child
 
Hear Again said:
cc could you clarify what you meant? i interpreted your comments to mean the majority of people who do not have mental illness.
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"not guilty by reason of insanity" is rare. There are a lot of crimials that claim they are complete utterly insane to try to get off on that plea. nothing is wrong with them at all. Also if they have to money for a good defense lawyer. that lawyer is going to find a psychiatrist that will say what he is paid to say...
 
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