9-year-old NYC boy chokes in school cafeteria

Babyblue said:
Nope. You flip the baby over to the other arm laying on his/her back and do the two finger chest compression 5 times, (be sure to support the babies head)

flip and 5 blows to the back, flip 5 compression, flip blow, flip compress until rescue arrive or object dislodges.
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Good grief, why not swing the baby wildly over your head? :shock:
 
webexplorer said:
Oh, no. It is very simple that I can think of... they cannot read in English and, probably, they barely understand some English words. The school should have provided them for some lectures about OSHA and CPR etc with the Spanish interpreters. Please read the article from the link, and you will see why they said that in the article. I also could think of our economy that some schools can't afford to hire professional kitchen employees so somehow there are some holes in our system by hiring low labors. ...Thanks.

P.S. I was a kitchen employee when I was a very young teenager. There were some employees that spoke in Spanish and English. It was an interesting culture. We had a lecture about OSHA. I don't remember if they talked about the CPR at the lecture.
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Dude, No where in the article stated that they were illegal immigrants. So you please read the article. You still stereo typing by stating just because they do not speak English, and work in a kitchen that they are illegals.

I do agree that the kitchen workers, need to be trained in CPR and First Aid. I do not disagree on that.
 
Babyblue said:
Dude, No where in the article stated that they were illegal immigrants. So you please read the article. You still stereo typing by stating just because they do not speak English, and work in a kitchen that they are illegals.

I do agree that the kitchen workers, need to be trained in CPR and First Aid. I do not disagree on that.
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It does not have to say that in the article - illegal immigrants . We know it. I didn't say bad thing. It is very common that there are many illegal immigrants in our country nowadays. They need know how to read in English because they are in our country if they want to live there permanently. That's all. Actually, it is a default that the school is the responsibility in the first place that should provide the interpreter for them for the class ...in case of something happen to the people who need some help. I bet that there will more articles coming up related to illegal immigrants this week. We will find it out.
 
Beowulf said:
Good grief, why not swing the baby wildly over your head? :shock:
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Not as bad as it looks.

Here is a video

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIeij-4Y6gs]infant choking funcpr cpr video instructional first aid - YouTube[/ame]
 
webexplorer said:
It does not have to say that in the article - illegal immigrants . We know it. I didn't say bad thing. It is very common that there are many illegal immigrants in our country nowadays. They need know how to read in English because they are in our country if they want to live there permanently. That's all. Actually, it is a default that the school is the responsibility in the first place that should provide the interpreter for them in case of something happen to the people who need some help. I bet that there will more articles coming up related to illegal immigrants this week. We will find it out.
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So it is true, you are stereotyping. :roll:
 
Babyblue said:
So it is true, you are stereotyping. :roll:
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I assume that you must be Spanish so you can read in English which is very fortunate of you. I am not sure why you think that I am stereotyping. What would you like to suggest me to say something better than my comment?

Off record, Many news always cover up until other news stations bring up negative news which means that the cover ups will be broken later because the recent news stations do not want to get sued. I don't know about the other stations that could be sued - I have no idea, but it is not our problem.
 
webexplorer said:
I assume that you must be Spanish so you can read in English which is very fortunate of you. I am not sure why you think that I am stereotyping. What would you like to suggest me to say something better than my comment?

Off record, Many news always cover up until other news stations bring up negative news which means that the cover ups will be broken later because the recent news stations do not want to get sued. I don't know about the other stations that could be sued - I have no idea, but it is not our problem.
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:laugh2:


Your assumptions are wrong.
 
just wow...... wow...... and I never thought there would be something worse than this...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm5WH0eyLgM]Chinese Police trying to revive a kid - YouTube[/ame]
 
Doesn't the "Good Samaritan Act" cover someone who even attempts to do CPR or the Heimlich?
 
ki4jgt said:
Doesn't the "Good Samaritan Act" cover someone who even attempts to do CPR or the Heimlich?
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Good Samaritan Laws
In today's litigious society, there can be a reluctance to help out in emergency situations. Fear of liability for any misstep can paralyze even the most helpful good Samaritan.

The truth is that each state has laws or regulations to protect the general public from liability during rescues or rescue attempts. Specifics about your state should be discussed with a legal expert or attorney from your area.*

Good Samaritan laws are meant to protect those who come to the aid of others for no other reason than kindness. Good Samaritan laws only help if the rescuer (or would-be rescuer) is acting without any expectation of reward. In other words, if you are getting paid to rescue then you aren't a good Samaritan. Paid rescuers are expected to do their jobs correctly and can be held accountable for mistakes.

Depending on the state, getting rewarded after the fact can also count as expectation of reward. If you help someone at a car accident and then are rewarded monetarily or otherwise, you may be excluded from good Samaritan protection.

In some states, good Samaritan laws only cover medically trained rescuers, while other states extend protection to the general public. The good Samaritan concept is commonly applied in the courts, which means a case going that far may still be ruled in favor of the rescuer who was trying to help. What good Samaritan laws do for rescuers is provide a get-out-of-court-free card. In other words, unpaid rescuers may prevail in court with or without a good Samaritan law, but it's a lot cheaper if they have the protection.

The best way to protect yourself from possible liability when helping others is to always act on behalf of the victim. That may sound obvious, but if your motivation is to be a hero and not to help out a fellow human, then you risk making the types of mistakes not covered by good Samaritan laws.

Here are some good tips for staying out of court:
•Take a CPR and first aid class
•Follow your training
•Use common sense
•Don't do anything you're not trained to do
•Get professional help for the victim
•Do not accept gifts or rewards

Good Samaritan laws do not protect you from everything. It is human nature to make mistakes. Good Samaritan laws take this into account and protect helpful citizens if the mistakes made are reasonable.

Since defining "reasonable" is so difficult -- even those covered under the good Samaritan law may find themselves defending a lawsuit. One example is what happened to California's good Samaritan law. A woman pulled an accident victim from a car following an accident. She followed the typical tests: she didn't plan on getting any sort of reward and she acted in the best interests of the victim. Despite the fact that she should have been covered under typical good Samaritan doctrine and definitely should have fallen into California's good Samaritan law, she was sued.

The case in California led to a complete rewrite of California's Good Sam law. Usually, good Samaritan lawys work just like they're supposed to. Most lawyers make judgments about when to file lawsuits based on an examination of their return on investment. Since the plaintiff doesn't usually pay up front, the lawyer must decide to take the case on contingency. That means "reasonable" is defined by the lawyer. Believe it or not, that's good. It means those lawsuits that will most likely lose in court won't ever get there.
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I am surprised that the Chinese government never taught them in Heimlich program. Perhaps, I'll ask my doctor if he would contact his doctor-friends who live there and teach them. It broke my heart, too.

Babyblue - I have heard of this article. I can't believe it. Thanks for sharing the info with us.
 
ki4jgt said:
Doesn't the "Good Samaritan Act" cover someone who even attempts to do CPR or the Heimlich?
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it's best to not help out if you're not trained in it but you can help break the Bystander Effect by rushing in to victim and yell out to people - HELP!
 
Jiro said:
it's best to not help out if you're not trained in it but you can help break the Bystander Effect by rushing in to victim and yell out to people - HELP!
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It's better to assign help to individuals than just yell help to a crowd.

For example, point to an individual, look him in the eye, and say, "call 9-1-1!"

Point to each person and say, "Do you know CPR? Help me."

To break the bystander effect, you have to make the crisis personal.
 
Reba said:
It's better to assign help to individuals than just yell help to a crowd.

For example, point to an individual, look him in the eye, and say, "call 9-1-1!"

Point to each person and say, "Do you know CPR? Help me."

To break the bystander effect, you have to make the crisis personal.
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That's exactly what I was taught at the YMCA lifesaving course. Good advice!
 
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