9-year-old NYC boy chokes in school cafeteria

Babyblue said:
I thought so too. I know in Florida they do.

I can not even work in a hospital unless I know CPR. Funny eh? Full of doctors and nurses and when I worked there as a housekeeper, it was mandatory that I have a CPR certificate.

I have been CPR/First Aide certified for 15 years now.
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That's because if you walk into a room, if you find a patient unresponsive, you can automatically flip the code blue switch and start working while the RN gets the bag and defib ready.

Remember, hospitals don't save lives, they only prolong death.
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Angle1989 said:
POOR BASTARD!! Have some compassion. Obviously you have never buried a child. To call one a BASTARD, is just so sad!!!:angel:
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not referring to this poor child but it's just my feeble attempt to lighten up this terribly depressing subject.
 
jillio said:
CPR training includes the Heimlich. That would not have been useless.
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Babyblue said:
No true.. If you have taken a CPR class they will tell you, at a last resort chest thrust can cause an object to dislodge. Or of the person is extremely over weight. You just do not do the giving the breath part.
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I was referring to CPR procedure - breathe in and pump pump pump part. That won't work on choking person.

I have never heard of case where a person was "unchoked" by CPR. probably cuz like you said - it's a last resort and it's obvious that performing CPR on choking patient (chest thrust) is extremely dangerous and can further complicate the matter for medical professionals.
 
Babyblue said:
I thought so too. I know in Florida they do.

I can not even work in a hospital unless I know CPR. Funny eh? Full of doctors and nurses and when I worked there as a housekeeper, it was mandatory that I have a CPR certificate.

I have been CPR/First Aide certified for 15 years now.
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I have been certified through the Red Cross for gee...35 years now. Every five years, I have to re-take the class to keep my certification. The nice thing about certifying through the Red Cross is that the certification is valid in all 50 states, so if I move, it transfers with me.
 
jillio said:
I have been certified through the Red Cross for gee...35 years now. Every five years, I have to re-take the class to keep my certification. The nice thing about certifying through the Red Cross is that the certification is valid in all 50 states, so if I move, it transfers with me.
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I usually go through the red cross. Now since I am in the medical field. I have the BLS (Basic Life Support certification). :)
 
Babyblue said:
I usually go through the red cross. Now since I am in the medical field. I have the BLS (Basic Life Support certification). :)
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I would think that would transfer to any state that your pharmacy asst. certification would transfer to. Same kind of benefit.

I need to go through the Red Cross now because I am certified as a crisis intervention mental health worker. Red Cross is generally a big agency in crisis intervention, and if I get sent to a site, it will be through them. Before I used the Red Cross because it was convenient.
 
jillio said:
I would think that would transfer to any state that your pharmacy asst. certification would transfer to. Same kind of benefit.

I need to go through the Red Cross now because I am certified as a crisis intervention mental health worker. Red Cross is generally a big agency in crisis intervention, and if I get sent to a site, it will be through them. Before I used the Red Cross because it was convenient.
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Red Cross also do BLS training. The recent training I had was through the college. So the next time I go for the training I will either go with where ever my job send me or the Red Cross.

BLS just has extra training in a professional setting, and training on how to use an AED. Nothing really different from the basic CPR classes.
 
Babyblue said:
Red Cross also do BLS training. The recent training I had was through the college. So the next time I go for the training I will either go with where ever my job send me or the Red Cross.

BLS just has extra training in a professional setting, and training on how to use an AED. Nothing really different from the basic CPR classes.
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Cool. I wasn't sure exactly what the differences were.
 
Jiro said:
see Botti's Post #2. if a boy was choking, then how can CPR help if a meatball was blocking his airway?

3 possible procedures that can be performed to clear his obstructed airway -

1. Heimleck Maneuver
2. Roll up your sleeve and dig in to clear it out with your fingers
3. If all failed, pray and hope that somebody can perform cricothyroidotomy properly

if I remembered correctly, you have approximately 3 minutes before poor bastard's brain goes kaput.
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Excuse me, Heimlich not heimleck.

Universal sign for choking

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/images/ency/fullsize/17107.jpg

self:
http://heimlichinstitute.com/images/heimlichself.jpg

for somebody else who's choking:
http://heimlichinstitute.com/images/heimlichtechs.jpg

for an infant:
http://www.sistemanervoso.com/images/primeirossocorros/218.jpg

http://medicalimages.allrefer.com/large/heimlich-maneuver-on-infant-1.jpg

I normally wouldn't care about spelling mistakes but this is important.


Fuzzy
 
jillio said:
I thought federal guidelines has a specification and that a specific number of adults, based on the number of children, had to be certified in CPR.
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That suggests to me that they were lax on enforcing regulations.
 
deafskeptic said:
That suggests to me that they were lax on enforcing regulations.
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for NYC schools? not surprising. it's abysmal. that's why I refuse to go to hospitals or schools in NYC unless it's privately run.
 
I read the article on the internet NYC Post... Here is the quote: "He was on the ground and not moving after a while," Perez said through a Spanish-speaking translator. "Nobody was paying attention and they didn't know how to give aid, nobody knew what to do."

I bet what you are thinking about this one. It is definitely obvious that the kitchen employees are illegal immigrants! The school is in a big trouble with the laws.
 
webexplorer said:
I read the article on the internet NYC Post... Here is the quote: "He was on the ground and not moving after a while," Perez said through a Spanish-speaking translator. "Nobody was paying attention and they didn't know how to give aid, nobody knew what to do."

I bet what you are thinking about this one. It is definitely obvious that the kitchen employees are illegal immigrants! The school is in a big trouble with the laws.
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:wtflol: You really think just because they speak spanish that they are illegal immigrants????

Major stereotyping in your post. :roll:
 
Babyblue said:
What do you do after you give the infant five blows to the back???

There is another step if the obstructed object does not dislodged the baby. :)
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hit harder :)
 
Kids eat very fast and at times don't chew their food....actually, at many schools, there is litte time for Lunch, after serving so many students.....Many times my boys have been in the long lines and missing Lunch entirely, having to go back to class.....

My guess this kid was gulping his food fast, and not chewing.....sad that the kid died before someone who was knowledgeable to help him....if it were me, I would have tried to dislodge the meat ball with my fingers and of course strike him on the back very hard.....

It brings to mind that whenever we have dinner and my boys are "in a hurry" I remind them...."chew" ur food!
 
Jiro said:
hit harder :)
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Nope. You flip the baby over to the other arm laying on his/her back and do the two finger chest compression 5 times, (be sure to support the babies head)

flip and 5 blows to the back, flip 5 compression/thrust, flip blow, flip compress/thrust until rescue arrive or object dislodges.
 
Babyblue said:
:wtflol: You really think just because they speak spanish that they are illegal immigrants????

Major stereotyping in your post. :roll:
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Oh, no. It is very simple that I can think of... they cannot read in English and, probably, they barely understand some English words. The school should have provided them for some lectures about OSHA and CPR etc with the Spanish interpreters. Please read the article from the link, and you will see why they said that in the article. I also could think of our economy that some schools can't afford to hire professional kitchen employees so somehow there are some holes in our system by hiring low labors. ...Thanks.

P.S. I was a kitchen employee when I was a very young teenager. There were some employees that spoke in Spanish and English. It was an interesting culture. We had a lecture about OSHA. I don't remember if they talked about the CPR at the lecture.
 
Babyblue said:
Nope. You flip the baby over to the other arm laying on his/her back and do the two finger chest compression 5 times, (be sure to support the babies head)

flip and 5 blows to the back, flip 5 compression, flip blow, flip compress until rescue arrive or object dislodges.
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I'll see if I can do that to Fuzzy.... :eek3:
 
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