9/11 - what happened?

[Cloggy]

Bottom line: we're never going to convince one another of our opposing views. Our beliefs are too deeply ingrained, and too closely held.

All I can tell you is: I'm not lying, I'm not crazy, and I know what I saw. I know that other people saw what I saw.
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That being said, this back and forth is going nowhere. For every website you post excerpts from, I could post from other sites refuting your claims, etc. Back, and forth, back and forth. We're getting nowhere.
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I believe you are telling the truth. I also believe the other witnesses that they are telling the truth. That combination (conflicting witness testimonies)makes that I look at things that are visible on pictures... And that's why I focus on pictures and video.
This is 2001 we are talking about. Surveillence everywhere!! (Not 1400, dark ages... on the other hand..)

You say.. for every website... etc.
But no website has been able to show a comercial plane going into the Pentagon. That's my point!!
I know the websites that explain how it happened but they still have to do all that without pictures or video footage. They explain to make the conspiracy theory of the government fit. Other websites look at the available evidence and ask questions.

But you're right. I'm not there. I wasn't there etc.... But realise that sometimes sitting in the middle of a pile of shit does NOT give you the best view.
Sometimes looking from a distance gives a perspective and overview that is superior to sitting in it....

Another thing.... The Pentagon is just a small part of the official conspiracy theory. But that's another topic...ah, it's the beginning of this topic..... I'm sure you have been there allready......

 

[rockdrummer]

Another thing.... The Pentagon is just a small part of the official conspiracy theory. But that's another topic...ah, it's the beginning of this topic..... I'm sure you have been there allready......

InTheGenes... you are being baited here. Don't do it man.... Step away from the quote button. I know the urge you have to respond but trust me, it's an endless circle. You are dealing with a closed mind that will only agree if you conform to his beliefs. There are hard questions I have asked of Cloggy that he has never responded to. Had he responded he would be re-enforcing that his position is utter nonsense.. so instead he doesn't respond but asks the same questions (that have been answered) over and over again. I believe you saw what you said you did and if this guy can't take that to the bank then there is nothing you can say to convince him. He can't even agree to disagree on the subject. That speaks volumes for the personality type you are dealing with. The word of the day is Delusional.

P.S. Yes Cloggy look at your own pole and try to understand why the majority (near 75%) don't think the towers were brought down by controlled demolition. IMO it's because the majority of the people in the world are not delusional paranoid skitzo's.

 

[Heath]

Yeah, Cloggy would not believe me and I told him I saw the aircraft lumbering across the skyline really low across Washington DC and I was walking the aircraft was just practically over my head I could feel the wind from the aircraft and I just thought that is kind of low for a plane and thought nothing more about it because it seemed to lift up so I was not that alarmed, it was only when I turned my back then started to walk did the airplane crash into the Pentagon, I was not sure at first where the crash was then something just went sick in my stomach and it hit me like some sudden clear invisible but a very powerful force that went into my face and I knew this meant war. I knew that was the Pentagon from the flying debris from the Pentagon and the explosion. There was no mistake about it. It was the Pentagon. When I walked by a store window with t.v. with one of them closed captioned in the store and I saw what was going on. I was washed over with anger then in the following days I wanted to kill as many arabs as I could. It was that how angry I was !!!!!!

I wanted WAR and to kill the sick son of bastards !!!!!

 

[Heath]

This is exactly how I felt !!!!!

YouTube - RAMBO GONE RAMBO

 

[Cloggy]

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P.S. Yes Cloggy look at your own pole and try to understand why the majority (near 75%) don't think the towers were brought down by controlled demolition. IMO it's because the majority of the people in the world are not delusional paranoid skitzo's.

(Yu really should follow your own advise......)

No, it shows 75% doesn't understand 4th grade fysics!

Scientific Poll: 84% Reject Official 9/11 Story
Only 16% now believe official fable according to New York Times/CBS News poll

New Zogby Poll Reveals Critical Mass Call for Truth
On May 22nd, a new Zogby Poll release shows that 42% of adults believe that the US government and its 9/11 Commission concealed or refused to investigate critical evidence that contradicts their official explanation of the September 11th attacks, saying there has been a cover-up. This amounts to 70 million people!

Guess there are some people that think for themself instead of parrotting (parotting?) whatever is fed to them....


BTW... Rockdrummer..

There are hard questions I have asked of Cloggy that he has never responded to. Had he responded he would be re-enforcing that his position is utter nonsense..

Really... or just loose words - shooting blanks....
Hard questions....???
Took me a while to go through this topic.... nada... Must have missed it.. again....
Refresh my memory.....

 

[Reba]

Sunday night I was watching "Extreme Makeover, Home Edition." The family that was featured had their house destroyed by a small private plane that overran the runway and crashed into it. The mom was home alone at that time.

They interviewed the mom right after the accident. Several times, she said, "It sounded like a missile."

Obviously, it wasn't a missile. So, if even a small plane can "sound like a missile", and yet not be a missile, it seems that many people could be mistaken about the sound they heard "like a missile" on 9/11 also.

Just a thought.

 

[Reba]

Something else I noticed.

Last week, on TV, was a live demolition "implosion" of an old multi-story building. When the charges were set off, they boomed loudly in a measured sequence, perfectly timed.

I'm wondering, if WTC7 was intentionally imploded, how come no one reported hearing perfectly sequential "booms", or seeing the perfectly spaced "flashes"?

Also, the buildings that we see every week on TV being collapsed by implosion methods require a lot of preparation. Not only are the charges rigged but the buildings have a lot of their structural "guts" removed or cut thru in advance of the final explosions. Those buildings are "hollowed out" and too dangerous for people to occupy. How could the WTC buildings have had all that done to them without anyone noticing, or without a premature collapse?

 

[TFWFalcon]

Sunday night I was watching "Extreme Makeover, Home Edition." The family that was featured had their house destroyed by a small private plane that overran the runway and crashed into it. The mom was home alone at that time.

They interviewed the mom right after the accident. Several times, she said, "It sounded like a missile."

Obviously, it wasn't a missile. So, if even a small plane can "sound like a missile", and yet not be a missile, it seems that many people could be mistaken about the sound they heard "like a missile" on 9/11 also.

Just a thought.

Yes I been watch that show. It make me sad their house is gone but at end they are happy new home. Exact what is mom explained about plane crashed into her home. sound like a missile but not.

 

[Cloggy]

Something else I noticed.

Last week, on TV, was a live demolition "implosion" of an old multi-story building. When the charges were set off, they boomed loudly in a measured sequence, perfectly timed.

I'm wondering, if WTC7 was intentionally imploded, how come no one reported hearing perfectly sequential "booms", or seeing the perfectly spaced "flashes"?

Good question....
People have seen it, have told about it, and plumes are caught on tape.

Also, the buildings that we see every week on TV being collapsed by implosion methods require a lot of preparation. Not only are the charges rigged but the buildings have a lot of their structural "guts" removed or cut thru in advance of the final explosions. Those buildings are "hollowed out" and too dangerous for people to occupy. How could the WTC buildings have had all that done to them without anyone noticing, or without a premature collapse?

Preparation can be done with people in the building as well, or during an excersise.
There were powerouts which was uncommon....

And premature collapse....
An explosion was heared, felt and experienced BEFORE the planes crashed into them...

Hmmmm

 

[Reba]

Good question....
People have seen it, have told about it, and plumes are caught on tape.

Links please.

Preparation can be done with people in the building as well, or during an excersise.
There were powerouts which was uncommon....

The preparation includes removing interior walls and stanchions. Are you saying that the occupants of the buildings didn't question the stripping and gutting of interior supporting structures and walls in their buildings? No one noticed the huge voids in their office spaces? No one fell down the missing elevator shafts or stairwells? How did people work at their desks with the floors missing? Interesting.

...An explosion was heared, felt and experienced BEFORE the planes crashed into them...

Link please.

"An explosion"?! One single explosion? That's not a rigged demolition. A rigged demolition requires a series of explosions, in a specific timed sequence, even for buildings smaller than WTC. There should have been "boom" . . . "boom" . . . "boom" . . . "boom" . . . "boom" . . . "boom". There should have been multiple, identically sized flashes and shaped clouds of smoke, in sequence. But that didn't happen.

 

[rockdrummer]

Links please.


The preparation includes removing interior walls and stanchions. Are you saying that the occupants of the buildings didn't question the stripping and gutting of interior supporting structures and walls in their buildings? No one noticed the huge voids in their office spaces? No one fell down the missing elevator shafts or stairwells? How did people work at their desks with the floors missing? Interesting.


Link please.

"An explosion"?! One single explosion? That's not a rigged demolition. A rigged demolition requires a series of explosions, in a specific timed sequence, even for buildings smaller than WTC. There should have been "boom" . . . "boom" . . . "boom" . . . "boom" . . . "boom" . . . "boom". There should have been multiple, identically sized flashes and shaped clouds of smoke, in sequence. But that didn't happen.

Please don't feed the animals or they will keep comming back for more..

 

[InTheGenes]

Please don't feed the animals or they will keep comming back for more..

Sitting on my hands this time, I promise!!

 

[Reba]

Please don't feed the animals or they will keep comming back for more..

Sigh . . . you're right. I just wanted to record some observations but I should have kept them to myself.

Thanks for trying to some sense into me.

 

[Reba]

Sitting on my hands this time, I promise!!

You have better sense than I do.

 

[Cloggy]

Links please.
Yeh, yeh....

The preparation includes removing interior walls and stanchions. Are you saying that the occupants of the buildings didn't question the stripping and gutting of interior supporting structures and walls in their buildings? No one noticed the huge voids in their office spaces? No one fell down the missing elevator shafts or stairwells? How did people work at their desks with the floors missing? Interesting.
You don't need to remove anything. You just need to set the charges at the right place. And that can be done in secret.
Also, there were many empty office spaces........
But again, you don't need to remove stuff in order to blow it up....


Link please.
Yeh, yeh....

"An explosion"?! One single explosion? That's not a rigged demolition. A rigged demolition requires a series of explosions, in a specific timed sequence, even for buildings smaller than WTC. There should have been "boom" . . . "boom" . . . "boom" . . . "boom" . . . "boom" . . . "boom". There should have been multiple, identically sized flashes and shaped clouds of smoke, in sequence. But that didn't happen.

Before the plane hit the tower, there was an explosion in the basement of the tower. In footage it shows that the lobby of the tower is damage.... And NOT by a plane crashing in the building 300m up.
There is also footage of firefighters describing the explosions just before the collapse... and they describe multiple explosions.... demolision
....

But you're not really interested in finding out are you??

 

[Reba]

Interesting:

(CBS/AP) A large section of highway leading to the Oakland-San Francisco Bay Bridge has collapsed, after a tractor trailer carrying 8,600 gallons of gasoline exploded, triggering a fire.

Authorities say the tanker ignited at 3:42 a.m. after crashing into a pylon on an interchange connecting Interstate 80 to I-880, on the section of freeway known as the MacArthur Maze.

Firefighters had to contend with extreme heat in battling the blaze; that heat was blamed for causing the connector collapse.

San Jose-based structural engineer John Coyle told CBS Station KPIX that the intense heat likely compromised the integrity of the steel that supported the connector ramp, causing it to melt....
Tanker Fire Causes Ca. Highway Collapse, Explosion, Burning Fuel Destroys Off-Ramp Of San Francisco Bay Bridge - CBS News

 

[Cloggy]

Another structural engineer that doesn't know his math.

Gasoline stove...
Steel pan on the stove..

Pan melts..... ?????

I don't think so..

There are other mechnanisms that will make a bridge fail...
Steel melting by gasoline is not an option.

Why would they use torches to cut steel????

But if it makes sense in your world..... well, it's a free country... (Actually it isn't...)

 

[xentar]

Before the plane hit the tower, there was an explosion in the basement of the tower. In footage it shows that the lobby of the tower is damage.... And NOT by a plane crashing in the building 300m up.
There is also footage of firefighters describing the explosions just before the collapse... and they describe multiple explosions.... demolision
....

But you're not really interested in finding out are you??

But I know I am!

You're talking about this aren't you:

“I saw a flash flash flash [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building?”--Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory

Ever bother to read the whole actual unedited quote that isn't butchered by conspiracy theorists? Now you can!
Now the WHOLE QUOTE without the taking out of context...
Pay attention to the sentences that are bold.

All the other popular "quotes" you (and others) love to use and repeat over and over? Try finding the whole quote and you'll find out that almost every single one of them were taken out of context. That says a lot, doesn't it.

 

[rockdrummer]

Another structural engineer that doesn't know his math.

Gasoline stove...
Steel pan on the stove..

Pan melts..... ?????

I don't think so..

There are other mechnanisms that will make a bridge fail...
Steel melting by gasoline is not an option.

Why would they use torches to cut steel????

But if it makes sense in your world..... well, it's a free country... (Actually it isn't...)

Oh Geeze!.. Against my better judjement I feel compelled to point this out. There was no mention of the steel melting. Can you entertain the idea that the heat compromises the structural integrety thus causing the failure. All that is needed is enough heat to cause deflection to a point of failure. Can you dig it!!! Or perhaps you think this is another conspiracy perpetrated by the US government.

 

[Tousi]

Lol, no, it was prepretrated by Chevron whose aim is to double the mind-boggling quarterly report they recently announced!!