87% Say English Should Be U.S. Official Language

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You must assimilate! Dangerous thinking will not be tolerated!
 
on a very very very superficial level - racist attitude is based on skin color but when you delve deeper into it one layer deeper or 2... that statement will not hold. not even by a thread.
 
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A campaign... in... India?

Might want to research the caste system in that country.
 
jillio said:
More than assimilation, it is a phenomena known as cultural contact that is not assimilation but of combining. It has far much more to do with values and practices than with your regional accent. The fact that you are recognized for the region in which you live is evidence of the fact that you have not assimilated completely at all.
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I referred to the assimilation as a process and goal. It's not something that can be measured as 100 percent complete with people.

Language is but a representation of the assimilation, or non-assimilation, of the other aspects of culture that remain. You must understand that when one is forceably stripped of their native language, it is symbolic of being stripped of their very identity. That is what proposals such as this propose to do.
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Not at all. The can still use their native languages. They will be adding English to their other languages, not replacing their native languages.

The language is but a symbol of the other aspects of the culture that people are truly objecting to. It is a push toward forced assmiliation in which values and norms are expected to change to represent what it is that your (not you in the specific sense) ideas of a proper culture and proper values and norms are. It is ethnocentric at best, forced assimilation at worst. History teaches us over and over and over again that forced assimilation does not achieve the desired results.
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They are not forced. No one forced them to move to the USA. Certainly if people are immigrating to the USA they know that life will be different in the new country, yet they choose to move here.

If I permanently moved to Russia I would expect to learn the language and customs of that country. Otherwise, I would always be stuck on the fringes of that society.

Forced assimilation would be Americans going to Russia and making them use English.
 
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jillio said:
And that supports which argument? Think deeper, Steinhauer, think deeper. :laugh2:
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That racist attitudes are based on skin color .... :roll:
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In India, skin colour is not tied to race, but rather one's working status.


Indians have been trying to abolish the caste system since Gandhi's days.
 
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Reba said:
I referred to the assimilation as a process and goal. It's not something that can be measured as 100 percent complete with people.

But assimilation is not a process. That is why the argument does not stand up. It is a goal and unless it has occurred 100%, it is not assimilation.
Not at all. The can still use their native languages. They will be adding English to their other languages, not replacing their native languages.

Then it is not assimilation.
They are not forced. No one forced them to move to the USA. Certainly if people are immigrating to the USA they know that life will be different in the new country, yet they choose to move here.

Forcing someone to move to a different country is an entirely different concept than forced assimilation.

If I permanently moved to Russia I would expect to learn the language and customs of that country. Otherwise, I would always be stuck on the fringes of that society.

Then that would be cultural contact, not assimilation.

Forced assimilation would be Americans going to Russia and making them use English.
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No, assimilation involves much more than forced language. As I stated prior, language is but the symbol.
 
ASSIMILATION

The term 'assimilation' again is in general use, being applied most often to the process whereby large numbers of migrants from Europe were absorbed into the American population during the 19th and the early part of the 20th century. The assimilation of immigrants was a dramatic and highly visible set of events and illustrates the process well. There are other types of assimilation, however, and there are aspects of the assimilation of European migrants that might be put in propositional form. First, assimilation is a two-way process. Second, assimilation of groups as well as individuals takes place. Third some assimilation probably occurs in all lasting interpersonal situations. Fourth, assimilation is often incomplete and creates adjustment problems for individuals. And, fifth, assimilation does not proceed equally rapidly and equally effectively in all inter-group situations.

Definitions:

1. According to Young and Mack, Assimilation is the fusion or blending of two previously distinct groups into one.
2. For Bogardus Assimilation is the social process whereby attitudes of many persons are united and thus develop into a united group.
3. Biesanz describes Assimilation is the social process whereby individuals or groups come to share the same sentiments and goals.
4. For Ogburh and Nimkoff; Assimilation is the process whereby individuals or groups once dissimilar become similar and identified in their interest and outlook.

Assimilation is a slow and a gradual process. It takes time. For example, immigrants take time to get assimilated with majority group. Assimilation is concerned with the absorption and incorporation of the culture by another.
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Reba said:
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Exactly. And that, in effect, supports everything that I have been saying. Until the process is complete, assimilation has not occurred.

BTW...I am coming at this not from the generalist point of view, but the sociological and anthroplogical view.
 
The Texas Hill Country was settled by people of Mexican, Polish and German descent. The area has an eclectic blend of delicious food. It's a very popular travel destination. Dang, now I'm hungry.
 
sallylou said:
The Texas Hill Country was settled by people of Mexican, Polish and German descent. The area has an eclectic blend of delicious food. It's a very popular travel destination. Dang, now I'm hungry.
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Thank God assimmilation has not been completed.
 
souggy said:
Assimilation sure ruined Chinese food.

Chinese south of the border sucks. :|

At least Mexican food is better south of the border than north of the border.
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Yeah, cultural contact can be a mixed blessing. Dilutes the original.:lol: But, better to retain some aspects than to loose them all.
 
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