5-Year-Old Wants Cochlear Implant for Christmas

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faire_jour said:
Not at all. I was simply surprised that she knew so few people with implants.
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Not everyone crosses state lines in searching for them.
 
faire_jour said:
No, but she acts as though she is in intimate contact with sooooo many CI kids on a daily basis....turns out, not so much....
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My gosh, you're right! Tell me, what would be an acceptable percentage of CI kids that need her services?
 
how do you know she isn't talking about children? is it rare these days for them to have two CIs?
 
deafgal001 said:
how do you know she isn't talking about children? is it rare these days for them to have two CIs?
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It is still rare to have two. Most people have one implant only. It is becoming more common, but even in very young children, it isn't the majority.
 
faire_jour said:
The same percentage as heairng people who need psychological services.
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The majority? Including those who do not seek help when they should? Eeek, this is getting worse and worse!
 
Beowulf said:
The majority? Including those who do not seek help when they should? Eeek, this is getting worse and worse!
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How? So you think that CI users show have significantly better mental health than the rest of the planet? Why is that?
 
faire_jour said:
How? So you think that CI users show have significantly better mental health than the rest of the planet? Why is that?
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You were making me think they were completely off their rockers. :)
 
jillio said:
But back to Medicaid paying for the implant...still say no. It is an unreasonable use of federal funds. CI, particularly bi-lateral CI, is not medically necessary. To use federal funds to pay for the CI hurts all deaf in the longrun because of the message it gives to society.
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I'm not sure where I really stand on this, so, I'm not going to give an absolute opinion; except to say that, if state Medicaid and other insurances pays for the implant<s>, then, they should also pay for HAs. This discrepancy has always rubbed me wrong. If an HA is considered "cosmetic", and, is not covered then; a CI shouldn't be, either. Never mind bilateral implantation.
 
jillio said:
Deaf members talk about what they do with their kids, and relate stories from family activities. My point was that the deafness appears to come first with hearing parents. The research on parent child relationships show that hearing parents of deaf kids in oral environments have more directive relationships with their kids and engage in less spontaneous play and interaction. I'm kind of seeing that here, as well. I don't doubt that they do activities with their kids. But how often is that just a child and parent interacting and enjoying each other without some form of language therapy or speech exercise slipping in? Even the AVT therapists instruct parents how to turn every situation in a language learning activity. And the fact is, the best way for the kid to learn language is through natural use and exposure, not directed activity.
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That brings back memories of directive playing. My mom was holding something in an envelope and I had to ask her questions to guess at what she had. My oldest sister (11 years older and I am the baby of the family) also want to do that. It was the summer homework the teacher had them to do. I remember the item in the envelope contained sugar.

Heck, I even remember that electric toy where one would hear a farm animal when pulling a string. They asked me what animal am I hearing. I remember figuring out the right answer without listening. Just look at what animal it is pointing at before the string is pulled and that is the right answer. They thought I could hear. I don't think they ever caught onto that. They left me alone soon after that.

The playing without any directive was mostly with my childhood friend or cousins my age.
 
jillio said:
Sad, isn't it? I keep hoping for the day when a deaf child will be seen as more than ears and a mouth. People get so focused on hearing and speech they forget about the whole child that is behind those things.

You know what really bothers me, too? The hearing parents come on here and tell us all the work they are doing with their implanted kids, all the speech therapy and language therapy, etc. etc. Never once do I see anyone say something like, "I baked Christmas cookies with my kid today." or "My child and I built a snowman today." It is deafness first, child second. That is azz backwards.
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You'd get a whole lot more of that if you actually engaged in a conversation with other hearing parents like yourself rather than attacking and debating at every turn, turning any conversation in which a CI is mentioned (and even some in which it isn't) into a war about whether children should get CIs.

I baked gingerbread cookies with my daughter last night. This morning we had kung fu class together and this child I adore kicked my butt all over the gym. Then we mucked the chicken coop and played with the next door neighbor's horse. Thing is, I could write something like this with only the best intentions and someone would probably still jump in and claim that I'm suggesting that deaf without aids or CIs can't do those things. Or that by mentioning how grateful I was in the moment I found my daughter (and every moment since) which eclipses issues of hearing (or not hearing) she has or doesn't have and how much I love my daughter, I'm somehow implying that PFH doesn't love his child, as you gruesomely did yesterday.
 
have you ever join "thread about nothing" you can talk about these things there. you have to be careful how word or respond to things.
 
TXgolfer said:
I agree....that was my point
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Then what number is consider a lot? I'm talking about people you personally talked to?

Jillio is only one counselor (if that's what she does) , having 35 or more in her clinic alone is alot, I think.
 
My point was that the deafness appears to come first with hearing parents. The research on parent child relationships show that hearing parents of deaf kids in oral environments have more directive relationships with their kids and engage in less spontaneous play and interaction. I'm kind of seeing that here, as well. I don't doubt that they do activities with their kids. But how often is that just a child and parent interacting and enjoying each other without some form of language therapy or speech exercise slipping in? Even the AVT therapists instruct parents how to turn every situation in a language learning activity. And the fact is, the best way for the kid to learn language is through natural use and exposure, not directed activity.
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Grendel, on the other hand I DO see what jillo is saying. You're doing a low key route with speech and spoken language. But a lot of other parents have been taught " Gotta sneak in spoken language therapy at any and every spare moment." Even a lot of hearing parents are like this. ...not nessarily with speech and language, but with acheivement in general.
 
TXgolfer said:
Sure they can....You don't give 5 yos enough credit.
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So they can come up with that conclusion on their own without any outside influences?
 
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