4 years old accused of improperly touching teacher

[Eve]

I have a bachelor's degree in psychology and a master's degree in community/agency counseling with a school focus.

It is nice to have someone speaking from authority rather than out of pure opinion for a change. While you and I may still disagree, I can respect your position.

 

[Eve]

And to continue, you just proved my point. He can't relate it to sexual behavior, only to pain. Therefore, he cannot form intent, and cannot be guilty of sexual harrassment.

The intent may have been aimed at pain, rather than sexual behavior, but intent can still be present. We are just not sure what the intent was.

 

[GalaxyAngel]

This child is not PREDATOR rest of my case peroid!

Eve, all your breath came out full of crap and doesn't know what all everything. You know it all.. Cut your tongue out!

Your child hug you... I would call your child is.... include you're molesting your child! Should I say ? *hmmmmm* Heck no.. you're just hug your child that normal for blood family.. but professional teacher just gave a hug.. but the child is hug friendly. So called "sexual harrasement" Wha.. a joke!

 

[Eve]

Eve, all your breath came out full of crap and doesn't know what all everything. You know it all.. Cut your tongue out!

Now look who is taking things personally. GA calm down. I never claimed to know everything. In fact, I claimed just the opposite. I claimed that we (including myself) don't know enough about this situation.

Your child hug you... I would call your child is.... include you're molesting your child! Should I say ? *hmmmmm* Heck no.. you're just hug your child that normal for blood family.. but professional teacher just gave a hug.. but the child is hug friendly. So called "sexual harrasement" Wha.. a joke!

And no, I would never deny my child a hug, nor would I deny a student a hug, but I would have to be much more careful with how a hug might be perceived by others when hugging a student. Hugs alone are innocent. I am just not sure that this story is just about a "hug".

 

[Liebling:-)))]

A 4 year old child is NOT A PREDATOR. If he is acting out because someone has abused him, HE IS A VICTIM. And there is no evidence that this child has been sexually abused. He simply hugged a teacher's aid and in the process came into contact with her breasts. People making such a big deal about an innocent thing like this is what causes attitudes about sex to be so out of proportion. A four year old child cannot be held accountable in the case of any kind of sexual harrassment because they have no concept of what it is and cannot form intent to do wrong in theis situation.

He knows it hursts but he does not have the capacity to relate it to anything of a sexual nature. He cannot have a mindset for sexual deviance at the age of 4 because he does not understand what sexual behavior is. Even if he had been abused, he would only understand that he was being hurt, not that it was realted to sexual behavior.

I´m agree everything what you said in previous posts.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Originally Posted by jillio
I have a bachelor's degree in psychology and a master's degree in community/agency counseling with a school focus.

Ah, that´s what I thought so.

I noticed that you and I share the same opinion after read your many posts in any threads.

I don´t have degree in psychology/counseling but I study/focus in psyschology for 14 years since I had my first child because I find it very interesting. I would say study/focus in psyschology is my hobby...

 

[Eve]

I noticed that you and I share the same opinion after read your many posts in any threads.

Just because you share an opinion, does not give any more validity to your previous statements.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Just because you share an opinion, does not give any more validity to your previous statements.

This is not an opinion what I share about parent and children in my previous posts but facts. I would not share if I didn´t know anything. I accept with agree to disagree in polite way because I respect parental´s form of discipline as long as there´re no child abuse.

Example: Hillary vs Obsma thread or any polities, Black slavery, etc is my opinion, not facts.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Double post

 

[Eve]

This is not an opinion what I share about parent and children in my previous posts but facts. I would not share if I didn´t know anything.

They are still your OPINIONS. What you may know and wish to share, may vary from what I may know and wish to share. It does not make either of our opinions wrong, it just makes them "OPINIONS".

I accept with agree to disagree in polite way because I respect parental´s form of discipline as long as there´re no child abuse.

Something we can agree upon.

 

[Angel]

However, these days teachers have been accused of so much, that they must now protect themselves, which is sad.

Children and parents have also been accused so much too, people seem to know what's going on behind the closed door or knows what in the child's little head but they DON'T ...

Back in the old days, it rarely happen, now it has comes to the point where more and more people are make such BIG DEAL out of it!!!!!

There are now trainings on HOW to hug a child (ie from the side or A-frame hug) so that no one will misconstrue a teacher's intentions.

Sounds like I'm teaching my boys to hug a tree....

 

[Eve]

Back in the old days, it rarely happen, now it has comes to the point where more and more people are make such BIG DEAL out of it!!!!!

It really is sad that this is what we have been reduced to.

Sounds like I'm teaching my boys to hug a tree....

I know, it is pitiful. But the teachers have to prevent themselves from appearing to be perverts.
Recently, all volunteers at the local YMCA were urged to take a class on how to interact with the children, without being accused of impropriety. Issues like the side-hug were a main focus.
I remember being able to give my teacher's hugs when I was growing up. I really miss those days.

 

[JeepGirl]

Children and parents have also been accused so much too, people seem to know what's going on behind the closed door or knows what in the child's little head but they DON'T ...

Back in the old days, it rarely happen, now it has comes to the point where more and more people are make such BIG DEAL out of it!!!!!




Sounds like I'm teaching my boys to hug a tree....

what's next?? if a boy says a girl is pretty.. he's going to be accused for sexual harrassment???

 

[Angel]

what's next?? if a boy says a girl is pretty.. he's going to be accused for sexual harrassment???

Exactly ....Good one RebelGirl

 

[Eve]

Unfortunately, our society tends to swing from one end of the pendulum to the other, never finding a happy middle ground.

 

[jillio]

no, jillio, I am not transferring anything. I am merely pointing out that there are scenarios which reach beyond the text provided to us. I was also a teacher for 9 years and I know that not all children are innocent, which is a true shame.

btw, jillio, what is your profession which allows you so much insight into the workings of a 4-year-old mind?

I have a bachelor's degree in psychology and a master's degree in community/agency counseling with a school focus.

 

[Eve]

repetitive posting much, eh?

 

[jillio]

Ah, that´s what I thought so.

I noticed that you and I share the same opinion after read your many posts in any threads.

I don´t have degree in psychology/counseling but I study/focus in psyschology for 14 years since I had my first child because I find it very interesting. I would say study/focus in psyschology is my hobby...

If you've been studying for 14 years, you probably have as much understanding as I do. You don't always have to be in a classroom to learn.

 

[jillio]

It is nice to have someone speaking from authority rather than out of pure opinion for a change. While you and I may still disagree, I can respect your position.

Thank you. We will just agree to disagree.

 

[Eve]

that is fine by me