250 Million Christians Will Be Persecuted in 2007

[Reba]

I wonder how many non-Christians will die this year.
And don't tell me that Christians don't kill in the name of religion. Spanish Inquisition, anyone?

That was the Catholic Church, not Christians, and it wasn't this year. It was against Jews, Muslims, and Christian Protestants.

 

[christlovedeaf]

Wow! Thanks for sharing your experiences. So, we just let my friend's brother be until he realizes what he is doing or do we keep trying to get him to see what he is doing to himself and his relationships?

BTW..Christlovedeaf...he has been a reborn Christian for over 20 years. It started out pretty good and he was humble about it but as the years passed, he seemed to get more and more obsessed about following the bible or God's words.

I understand that. I know what xmg3r is saying. I'm seeing his mistakes. He may be obsses and the way he shared I see what he go wrong. For example, when Jesus said if you HATE your mother, father, sister, brother, wife, children and follow Me, you will be my disciple. He s not talking about hate as a hate, He is talking about surrender and let God work in you to set the example. The problem is he stuffing religion on someones throat bec what the Bible said and force to change and etc. That's also not what Christ called us to do. I love Jesus Christ bec what He did and I don't have to stuff people throat on religions. Important part is your example. All I see taking out the neg and throw the poz out to make it look bad and also, bec whatever you have going thru and even xgmer going thru take out the blame on "them christians" to take it out on me. I shared my experience, I have met many christians who judging me, gossippoing me and condemning me, but I'm not going to blamne them, I have to seek and ask God to show me how and He has thru all those my almost 30 yrs. I learned my mistakes, and I ddint realize why I've gone thru like hell in life and etc, I begin to learn something. NO, not bec Bible this and Bible that, its God spoke to me thru His Word and life around me, I have seen. I raised my 2 girls and they loved me dearly, they will tell you I dotn stuff them and preach at them. This is how mine gone thru, we had a wonderful family Bible stories. Its not just I preached the close the Bible and tell them this and that. We shared one another and questioning and etc. We all involved. Why? The problem with many christians, being tooo religious, not Christ centered. So much slam the door on others face bec of "sin". That's NOT what Christ taught us. This is the way I see, you cutting me down, not bec of comfort word, its bec I'm a christian and I keep my faith in God. And got all mixred by understanding what christian really is and how they should treat others. That's the problem. Christ did NOT called us to be legalistic. The problem and the question is, how deep is your relationship with God Himself? How much time have you spend time alone with God? How much have you surrender to Him and let5 God reveal Himself to you? The fact is (focusingt deaf world, hardly any deaf, and that's the key of the problem, being tooo religious and legalistic christians not deep relationship christians. That's the key of the problem.

 

[Kuifje75]

That was the Catholic Church, not Christians, and it wasn't this year. It was against Jews, Muslims, and Christian Protestants.

Sure, now ya tellin me that Catholics aren't Christians? You make no sense.

 

[Reba]

Sure, now ya tellin me that Catholics aren't Christians? You make no sense.

I'm just giving you the history.

Check it out for yourself at Spanish Inquisition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Spanish Inquisition was established in 1478 by Ferdinand and Isabella to maintain Catholic orthodoxy in their kingdoms and was under the direct control of the Spanish monarchy. . .

Repression of Protestants

. . . During the 16th century . . . the Inquisition became an efficient mechanism to prune the few buds of Protestantism that had begun to appear in Spain . . .

The first trials against Lutheran groups, as such, took place between 1558 and 1562, at the beginning of the reign of Philip II, against two communities of Protestants from the cities of Valladolid and Seville.[9] The trials signaled a notable intensification of the Inquisition's activities. A number of enormous Autos de Fe were held, some of them presided over by members of the royal family, and in which approximately one hundred were executed.[10] After 1562, though the trials continued, the repression was much reduced, and it is estimated that only a dozen Spaniards were burned alive for Lutheranism by the end of the 16th century, although some 200 faced trial.[11] The Autos de Fe of the mid-century virtually put an end to Spanish Protestantism which was, throughout, a small phenomenon to begin with. . .

Although the Inquisition was created to halt the advance of heresy, it also occupied itself with a wide variety of offences that only indirectly could be related to religious heterodoxy. Of a total of 49,092 trials from the period 1560–1700 registered in the archive of the Suprema, appear the following: judaizantes (5,007); moriscos (11,311); Lutherans (3,499); alumbrados (149); superstitions (3,750); heretical propositions (14,319); bigamy (2,790); solicitation (1,241); offences against the Holy Office of the Inquisition (3,954); miscellaneous (2,575).

This data demonstrates that not only New Christians (conversos of Jewish or Islamic descent) and Protestants faced persecution, but also many Old Christians were targeted for various reasons. . .

In order to interrogate the criminals, the Inquisition made use of torture, but not in a systematic way. It was applied mainly against those suspected of Judaism and Protestantism, beginning in the 16th century.

 

[Heath]

Good News .... From a Messianic e-mail I got in my e-mail box.

http://www.alldeaf.com/christianity-religion-spiritual-other-beliefs/38038-serious-look-israel.html

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Really? Or did psychologists, doctors, and worldly friends convince them that something was "wrong" with them because they didn't fit the perfect German image? The government offered them a free 5-week vacation at a nice spa--who would turn down that opportunity?

If "experts" keep telling you that something is wrong, and if you trust the "experts", after a while some weaker Christians might begin to believe the "experts", and begin to doubt themselves. That is a lot of peer pressure to combat.

You got it wrong.

Public Health Insurance only send the people to spa for good reasons. (See my other thread).

We work to pay social insurances, that´s why we are offer to go spa... It´s not for the fun but good reason.

Again, you got it wrong... Experts didn´t not convince them but themselves... Christians wake up and realized THEMSELVES that something wrong with them... They are very obessed to the bible and preach about God etc ... The doctor saw something what Christians told them that they want the help... so the doctor suggest them to go Spa to find out themselves... Public Health Insurarnce order expert to check on them until they are agree to send them to spa... They accept the fact that they did not okay. See the example of XBGMER´s post... Few christians acts are exactly like what Shel90´s description and my thread at few weeks ago. Now XBGMER... Did you read XBGMER´s post? It´s exactly example what Christians had through. They have bad luck with their partners and friends.... It affect their good self-esteem.

 

[Maria]

Originally Posted by Liebling))
Ok, how do you experience those feeling like this? Thru bible who wake your feeling up? Please correct if I'm mistake. How your feeling for God wake up?

How do I experience those feelin' like this ? Thru the Words of God I read everyday. His Words changed my life. That's like if, you are seriously talkin' to God just like you would with your friends in real life, God will respond. That is not somethin' that a person could pray and talk to God like he or she is playin'. I talk to God thru meditate and pray. I would tell Him EVERYTHING what's botherin' me or if, there's somethin' I need Him to help me to become a better person. I mean A N Y T H I N G ! God knows that I can not hide from God. Know why ? Because, He KNOWS everythin' about ME, my thoughts, my desires and all. Of course, I do confess my mistakes or sins to Him and ask for His forgiveness. He changed me Himself from the inside out on His Own, so other people can see a different person I am from the old self. I remember one time a cop told me that I was an angel because, of the way I shared the words of God with him. He saw somethin' in me. Inside me, Jesus was talkin' to him... meanin' that I talked to him FOR Jesus through the Holy Spirit. God poured down the J O Y in me and that was His Water my body could not hold because, it flows alot. That's like you are holdin' a cup under the faucet while the water is runnin' in your cup and it fills up, right ? But, God poured it down in me some MORE and I was blessed with JOY.

Yes you said the same things what JW people, I was involved during school time said...

Yes, they often said that we are blind etc because we don't experience to understand God and the bible etc. Thats' what the religions said this but opposite to non-religions.

Opposite to non-religions ? Non-religion people don't have that kind of experience just like some Christian people do.

The non-religions often said that the people who worship the religions are being brainwashed by the bible. I can understand that religion and non-religion have different view on this.

Brainwashed ? No way! There's no such a word to call Christian people are bein' brainwashed from the bible. God's Words from the Bible are very powerful and God CAN change people when His Words touch their hearts. Some are bein' hard while the others are bein' soft, dependin' on the individual. I was the soft one - easy to accept.
Did you know that once people confess their sins to God and repent themselves to Him - askin' for His forgiveness ... they are the ones who are far more wiser than non-Christian people because, they know that when they die -- their souls will go to Heaven. They don't want to go to Hell. It doesn't mean that they are paranoid or coward. Each person have ONE life and when they die, they can not have ANOTHER life to start all over. No waaay..... you may not know if they will die tomorrow by car accident/or tornado hit their homes/or whatever. It could be ANYTHING that could happen to ANYONE.
So, they think twice and God will bless them for chosin' the right decision.


I'm sorry to hear that your relationship with bf is not work due difference form of beliefs.

Nah, don't be sorry. We are good friends. He treated me well for a long time as I treated him well, too. There's no problem in between us.

I wish you best of good luck to move on with your life and work together with Christian friends.

Thank you.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Non-Christians think that Christians are "obsessed" with God and the Bible.

Christians think that non-Christians are "obsessed" with experts and psychology.

It goes both ways. Each group has an entirely different perspective.

Disagree...

The people who worship any religions depend on the bible all the time and everyday is obsessed...

Example: the people did not go to experts and psychology for the help all the time and everyday... The people only go when they realize that they need the help is not obsessed.

This is a difference.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

That is only what you observed during 5 weeks with those particular individuals.

You wouldn't want Christians to judge non-Christians based on what they observed about you during your 5 weeks at the spa, would you?

I really don´t care either anyone judge me for enjoy my 5 weeks spa or not. All what I say is their problem, not mine.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Dear mecooncat, Shel90 and XBGMER,

Thank you for share your experiences here with us... I know now that Christians, I met at spa is not only one who had through like what you did.

 

[EagleCherokee63]

hello!

I've been reading your post on the bible and i have an observation for both of you. the bible is Gods word for all of us to read and understand. its the church that has twisted the bible for their own ends.

I'll give you a couple of examples: in the old testament Jeremiah 10; 1-4.

"Hear ye the word which is the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
Thus saith the Lord, learn not the ways of heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the costoms of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it not move."

This sounds like a description of our christmas tree to me. the bible says not to do this, but we do it anyways.

christmas is a pagan holiday for the worship of the winter solstice. the church decided, years ago, to incorporate this into its own use. so they decided to call it Jesus' birthday so church followers would partake in this ritual.


another example of the church twisting things for their own advantage:

Exodus 20; 25

"and if thou wilt make me alter of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it."

this sounds like the Lord is telling us not to build fancy church buildings to worship in. but the church does it anyway, and we follow.

there are more examples of the church twisting the bible to keep the people in line but i won't go into them now. surffice it to say always believe what the bible tells you, but take what the church says with a grain of salt.

this is mecooncats husband talking, thanks for listening.

 

[Reba]

I really don´t care either anyone judge me for enjoy my 5 weeks spa or not. All what I say is their problem, not mine.

You totally missed my point.

I'm trying to show you that it is equally unfair for the Christians to judge you after knowing you only five weeks at a spa, as it would be unfair for you to judge the Christians after knowing them only five weeks at a spa, which is an artificial setting and circumstance.

 

[Reba]

Disagree...

The people who worship any religions depend on the bible all the time and everyday is obsessed...

Example: the people did not go to experts and psychology for the help all the time and everyday... The people only go when they realize that they need the help is not obsessed.

This is a difference.

You really don't see how dependent you are on doctors, psychologists, "experts", and social services? You don't notice how many times, in many posts and threads, you refer to all those "experts" and government agencies for child rearing advice, mental health, comfort, resources and support? You've many times mentioned the advice magazines, counsellors, and government/insurance agencies that you use.

You don't understand that you just substitute the world's resources for God's resources.

spa = church
magazines and books = Bible
doctors = God
counsellors = pastors
therapy = Scripture meditation
social services = Sunday school fellowship
psychology = theology
self = Holy Spirit
insurance = Savior
dead dry fossils = ever-flowing Living Water

 

[shel90]

You really don't see how dependent you are on doctors, psychologists, "experts", and social services? You don't notice how many times, in many posts and threads, you refer to all those "experts" and government agencies for child rearing advice, mental health, comfort, resources and support? You've many times mentioned the advice magazines, counsellors, and government/insurance agencies that you use.

You don't understand that you just substitute the world's resources for God's resources.

spa = church
magazines and books = Bible
doctors = God
counsellors = pastors
therapy = Scripture meditation
social services = Sunday school fellowship
psychology = theology
self = Holy Spirit
insurance = Savior
dead dry fossils = ever-flowing Living Water

If that is how u see the world...that's good for u if it makes u feel better. Some people dont see the world that way.

 

[Reba]

You got it wrong.

Public Health Insurance only send the people to spa for good reasons. (See my other thread).

And who determines that those "reasons" are "good"? Who decides that a spa is the best way to deal with people's problems?

Uh, huh.

Again, you got it wrong... Experts didn´t not convince them but themselves... Christians wake up and realized THEMSELVES that something wrong with them...

So Christians one day "wake up" and decide, "I need to go to a spa to solve my spiritual problems"? No influence from their worldly friends, family, or "experts"? Right :roll:

They are very obessed to the bible and preach about God etc ...

You say "obsessed"; other people might say "faithful".

The doctor saw something what Christians told them that they want the help... so the doctor suggest them to go Spa to find out themselves...[/qute]
Exactly. Doctors (world's god) want people to go to the spa (world's church) to get help (world's holy spirit).

Public Health Insurarnce order expert to check on them until they are agree to send them to spa...

Insurance (world's savior) orders expert (world's pastor) to check on them until they agree (world's conviction) to send them to spa (world's church).

They accept the fact that they did not okay.

They are weak, get no Christian support, and cave in to the world's influence.

See the example of XBGMER´s post... Few christians acts are exactly like what Shel90´s description and my thread at few weeks ago. Now XBGMER... Did you read XBGMER´s post? It´s exactly example what Christians had through.

Yes, I read XBGMER's post. That's an example of what he went thru. Other posters had similar experiences, and they post their perspective of what happened. It's too bad we can't read the perspectives of the other people who were involved. We get only one side of the story.

They have bad luck with their partners and friends.... It affect their good self-esteem.

Luck?

 

[Reba]

If that is how u see the world...that's good for u if it makes u feel better. Some people dont see the world that way.

True. Other people use other substitutions.

 

[christlovedeaf]

Interesting and obvious. This is why, I have to becareful on both side what I see. I get constantly neg attitude its not bec what I say, its bec who I am, a strong belief of who God is and their OPINION and THINKING that I'm obsessed by the Bible. I know the difference btwn obsess by the Bible and study the Bible. I ve been there. Even my painful experience from SOME CHRISTIANS who judged me, gossipping about me, two faces and etc and constantly saying Bible says this and that. I felt opresses, but very early in my christian walk I was like that and THOUGHT it how its suppose to be. But I learned how God reveal to me and lead me to study more and watch how Jesus walk and talk, that's where it go wrong. That's where more non believers and backslidden christians attract my sharing about life surrounding and what apply to us. Their thought pattern shift and their expression how they experience. I have seen SOME christian obsess. And humanist psycologist not look at you as a person, what they learn from another person to fit that who you are, which I don't agree. Each has different backgrounds and different personalities and thinking of it. But what particular christian group can be obsess. But you pointing at them and I see it isn't fair blaming on christians this and that which even non christians behaving the same way.. Did you know some christians here I told them not to push to far, bec tho of our testimonies but stuffing their throat cause a problem. But as I see, non christians behaving the same way of human theories. There is a difference btwn sharing the view point than stuffing. When someone inaccuratly about something, ANYONE have the right to correct it. And only thing its inexcusable by saying, you don't know nothing, I know better than you, you are so stupide and etc. Its very uncall for. To me, might claim by liking christians, but obvious, not. All the applaud for those who slap Jesus in the face.

 

[mecooncat]

I meant to put this post in here instead of other about JW. Sorry. I'm not purrfect.

I've been watching on Discovery Times channel earlier. I was watching most of the Ancient Evidence shows. It's very interesting to watch..I love to watch Ancient History. Here's the link for the today's show. I don't know what channel and times in your area. You may have to find out in your tv guide.

Discovery Times :: Daily TV Schedule :: JAN 20 2007

 

[EagleCherokee63]

I meant to put this post in here instead of other about JW. Sorry. I'm not purrfect.

I've been watching on Discovery Times channel earlier. I was watching most of the Ancient Evidence shows. It's very interesting to watch..I love to watch Ancient History. Here's the link for the today's show. I don't know what channel and times in your area. You may have to find out in your tv guide.

Discovery Times :: Daily TV Schedule :: JAN 20 2007

What name cable you joined it? I not have one Discovery Time. I would love watch it whoa!

 

[Liebling:-)))]

You totally missed my point.

I'm trying to show you that it is equally unfair for the Christians to judge you after knowing you only five weeks at a spa, as it would be unfair for you to judge the Christians after knowing them only five weeks at a spa, which is an artificial setting and circumstance.

There´re no judgement but the facts. It´s good that we share our concern what bad or good we had through...