250 Million Christians Will Be Persecuted in 2007

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shel90 said:
It seems that in your mind that whoever doesnt believe in Jesus must believe in the devil. What if it is just neither?
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If a person doesn't believe in Jesus it doesn't mean that person "believes in" the devil. It means that person's decision pleases the devil and helps the devil carry out his plan. Satan is always pleased when one more soul is on the way to hell.

That doesn't mean a non-Christian consciously "worships" Satan but the end result is the same.
 
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Reba said:
If a person doesn't believe in Jesus it doesn't mean that person "believes in" the devil. It means that person's decision pleases the devil and helps the devil carry out his plan. Satan is always pleased when one more soul is on the way to hell.

That doesn't mean a non-Christian consciously "worships" Satan but the end result is the same.
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That is so cold..very judgemental cuz not everyone believes in the same thing. Wow...I would never believe that about other people.
 
shel90 said:
That is so cold..very judgemental cuz not everyone believes in the same thing. Wow...I would never believe that about other people.
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:confused: How is that judgmental? I said that they were NOT all worshipping Satan.
 
Reba said:
:confused: How is that judgmental? I said that they were NOT all worshipping Satan.
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U said "the end result is the same." To me that sounded like u meant it wouldnt matter if people who are not Christians dont purposely whorship Satan, there is no difference anyway.

If I read u wrong, then my bad.
 
shel90 said:
U said "the end result is the same." To me that sounded like u meant it wouldnt matter if people who are not Christians dont purposely whorship Satan, there is no difference anyway.

If I read u wrong, then my bad.
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Maybe I wasn't clear. Let me rephrase.

Satan's goal is prevent people from accepting Jesus as Savior.

Suppose Person A doesn't accept Jesus as Savior. Person A doesn't worship Satan.

Suppose Person B doesn't accept Jesus as Savior. Person B does worship Satan.

Person A and Person B both satisfied Satan's goal. How? Because they both refused to accept Jesus as Savior.

The difference? Person A didn't know he was satisfying Satan's goal.

Satan takes advantage of people, even if they don't worship him.

The "end result" for both Person A and Person B is the same. Neither accepts Jesus, and both satisfy Satan.

Here's another way to look at it:

Person A rejects Jesus but doesn't worship Satan.
Jesus is sad. Satan is happy.

Person B rejects Jesus and does worship Satan.
Jesus is sad. Satan is happy.

Same results.
 
Very good explanation.
 
Reba said:
Maybe I wasn't clear. Let me rephrase.

Satan's goal is prevent people from accepting Jesus as Savior.

Suppose Person A doesn't accept Jesus as Savior. Person A doesn't worship Satan.

Suppose Person B doesn't accept Jesus as Savior. Person B does worship Satan.

Person A and Person B both satisfied Satan's goal. How? Because they both refused to accept Jesus as Savior.

The difference? Person A didn't know he was satisfying Satan's goal.

Satan takes advantage of people, even if they don't worship him.

The "end result" for both Person A and Person B is the same. Neither accepts Jesus, and both satisfy Satan.

Here's another way to look at it:

Person A rejects Jesus but doesn't worship Satan.
Jesus is sad. Satan is happy.

Person B rejects Jesus and does worship Satan.
Jesus is sad. Satan is happy.

Same results.
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Ok...that was clear and thanks but I still dont agree. U are entitled to your beliefs and I will respect that. I just dont agree with this part but to each its own.
 
Originally Posted by Reba
Maybe I wasn't clear. Let me rephrase.

Satan's goal is prevent people from accepting Jesus as Savior.

Suppose Person A doesn't accept Jesus as Savior. Person A doesn't worship Satan.

Suppose Person B doesn't accept Jesus as Savior. Person B does worship Satan.

Person A and Person B both satisfied Satan's goal. How? Because they both refused to accept Jesus as Savior.

The difference? Person A didn't know he was satisfying Satan's goal.

Satan takes advantage of people, even if they don't worship him.

The "end result" for both Person A and Person B is the same. Neither accepts Jesus, and both satisfy Satan.

Here's another way to look at it:

Person A rejects Jesus but doesn't worship Satan.
Jesus is sad. Satan is happy.

Person B rejects Jesus and does worship Satan.
Jesus is sad. Satan is happy.

Same results.
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Let me to question you...

Suppose Person A accept Jesus as Savior and doesn't worship the bible and Satan.

Person A accept Jesus but rejects the bible and Satan.
Is Jesus sad? Is Satan happy?

Person B rejects the Bible and Satan and does worship God and Jesus.
Is God and Jesus sad? Is Satan happy?

Is it same results?
 
I remember about Iran is used to be good country until 1979 then Islamic was takeover and removes many Jewish and non-Muslim population.
 
Pacman said:
I remember about Iran is used to be good country until 1979 then Islamic was takeover and removes many Jewish and non-Muslim population.
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True, I can remember that... The children of ex-King & Queen are still at somewhere in America.
 
shel90 said:
Ok...that was clear and thanks but I still dont agree. U are entitled to your beliefs and I will respect that. I just dont agree with this part but to each its own.
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OK.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Let me to question you...

Suppose Person A accept Jesus as Savior and doesn't worship the bible and Satan.
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If Person A accepts Jesus as Savior, that pleases God.

I don't fully understand what you mean about "doesn't worship the Bible". Christians don't worship the Bible, so I can't answer your question. Can you rephrase that, please?

If Person A doesn't worship Satan, that pleases God, of course.


Person A accept Jesus but rejects the bible and Satan.
Is Jesus sad? Is Satan happy?
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If Person A accepts Jesus that means Person A accepts what the Bible says about Jesus. How could that person reject the Bible? It's the Bible that tells Person A about Jesus and salvation. That doesn't make sense.

If Person A accepts Jesus as Savior, and rejects Satan, then that pleases God, of course.


Person B rejects the Bible and Satan and does worship God and Jesus.
Is God and Jesus sad? Is Satan happy?
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If Person B rejects the Bible, then Person B can't worship God and Jesus because Person B doesn't even know God and Jesus. How can a person worship God and Jesus if he/she doesn't even know about Them? How can a person accept Jesus as Savior if he/she doesn't know about Jesus?

God and Jesus are sad when a person rejects Bible truth.

Satan is happy when a person rejects Bible truth.


Is it same results?
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Your examples aren't parallels (apples-to-apples), so it's hard to compare them.
 
God and Jesus are sad when a person rejects Bible truth. Satan is happy when a person rejects Bible truth.
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I am sad that it reflects your primitive thinking.
 
Sadly, my father gave me his bible years ago because he don't believe anything the bible says. He stated that it's all a myth. Well, I can't argue with him. That his choice of words. I will always love my father and we both get along great. Maybe some day he might change his mind who knows?
 
mecooncat said:
Sadly, my father gave me his bible years ago because he don't believe anything the bible says. He stated that it's all a myth. Well, I can't argue with him. That his choice of words. I will always love my father and we both get along great. Maybe some day he might change his mind who knows?
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I understand. My father was the same way.

You're right--don't argue with him. If he has questions, or wants a discussion, that's fine. But arguing won't do any good. You want to keep a good relationship together. Just live a good example, and pray.
 
Great.

Let every christian bands together and calling for Jesus to come. It has been overdue for Jesus' second coming.
 
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