[Fox News Traitorous and Unpatriotic?] [Navy SEAL's book gives different account ..]

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No one else has mentioned this (I don't think) but let me throw something else into the pot.

Even though "Owens" has retired from active duty, he can still be recalled to face court martial.

For example, Navy enlisted members can retire from active duty after 20 years of service but they are actually just moved into the Fleet Reserve until they hit the 30-year mark. They aren't fully retired until year 30. Officers are never fully retired. They can be recalled until the day they die, if they are still eligible (such as for health reasons).

Once a service member is recalled to active duty, they are under the full jurisdiction of the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice), and subject to courts martial.
 
No, it's not a coverup. It's called editorial policy. Each news organization has its own standards and guidelines to follow. When there's a question, the news director or editor makes the decision.

Since the name is out there, it can hardly be covered up now.

And yet, most every other agency has remained on the side of keeping his real name off their media. Since his name has been revealed, are they now wrong for doing so?

By harping on locking threads, that's a sure way to make it happen. :roll:
It was my intention to have the political posts removed by drawing attention to them. The staff chooses to allow them to stand.

If it were only anti-Bush comments allowed (you could hardly call that political since he is retired) you might feel the same way I do about this, and I am not even an Obama supporter. I think this opens up the path for constant Obama bashing, without anyone being able to dispute it. All the Conservatives here are "liking" each others' comments and supporting the current arrangement. Doesn't that tell you anything?

I have nothing further to add to this.
 
And yet, most every other agency has remained on the side of keeping his real name off their media. Since his name has been revealed, are they now wrong for doing so?
It's not a right or wrong question. It's whatever they feel fits their editorial policy. I did explain that.

It was my intention to have the political posts removed by drawing attention to them. The staff chooses to allow them to stand.
If that's your mission in life, what can I say?

If it were only anti-Bush comments allowed (you could hardly call that political since he is retired) you might feel the same way I do about this, and I am not even an Obama supporter.
It's the nature of the beast. Whomever is the current President will be criticized because that's the person who is in authority at the time.

I think this opens up the path for constant Obama bashing, without anyone being able to dispute it.
That's funny; I thought you made plenty of posts of dispute, including this one.

All the Conservatives here are "liking" each others' comments and supporting the current arrangement. Doesn't that tell you anything?
Is there something wrong with members liking posts? Isn't that why the "Like" button is there?

In case you haven't noticed, Foxrac and I sometimes "Like" each others' posts, and we are hardly on the same page politically. That's true for many members here. We determine our "likes" by the content of the individual post. I believe I've even given you some "likes." :)
 
Fine. Let us open the anti-Romney threads for some equal air time.

It appears that only the Conservatives are allowed to post their political views. I didn't notice when this site became a GOP backing one. O-Tay?
If someone likes Obama, or dislikes Romney, they are silenced. Fair? Take the blinders off when you wake up.

In your case its only if someone dislikes Obama that you feel compelled to silence them (ahem...I meant banned).
 
No one else has mentioned this (I don't think) but let me throw something else into the pot.

Even though "Owens" has retired from active duty, he can still be recalled to face court martial.

For example, Navy enlisted members can retire from active duty after 20 years of service but they are actually just moved into the Fleet Reserve until they hit the 30-year mark. They aren't fully retired until year 30. Officers are never fully retired. They can be recalled until the day they die, if they are still eligible (such as for health reasons).

Once a service member is recalled to active duty, they are under the full jurisdiction of the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice), and subject to courts martial.


This was released today:

'No Easy Day': Navy SEAL Who Wrote Bin Laden Book Denies Spilling Secrets


A day after threatening to take legal action against a former U.S. Navy SEAL for an unauthorized book about the commando raid which killed Osama bin Laden, U.S. officials are still debating whether there are sufficient grounds for doing so.

But a lawyer for Matt Bissonnette said on Friday that the former SEAL took his obligations to keep government secrets "seriously" and had made sure the book did not contain secrets.


I also noticed that prior to sections of his book being released, the Pentagon were not interested in charging him. It was only after it was revealed that SEAL team did not like Obama, and that Biden was viewed as a "drunk uncle" when he appeared before the team after the raid (Owen said he made awkward jokes that didn't make sense and were offensive), that the Pentagon threatened legal action.


http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/SEALs-book-questions-death/2012/08/29/id/450163


This is getting interesting ....

Bissonnette also writes disparagingly that none of the SEALs were fans of President Barack Obama and knew that his administration would take credit for ordering the May 2011 raid. One of the SEALs said after the mission that they had just gotten Obama re-elected by carrying out the raid.

But he says they respected him as commander in chief and for giving the operation the go-ahead.

Bissonnette writes less flatteringly of meeting Vice President Joe Biden along with Obama at the headquarters of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment after the raid. He says Biden told "lame jokes" no one understood, reminding him of "someone's drunken uncle at Christmas dinner."
 
That's serious. If, in his book, there are some details that are supposed to be classified, then he's in trouble.

The information does not necessarily have to be in the book. The very fact that he told the publisher anything at all about the mission without authorization could led to charges. The publisher can choose what to use and what to leave out but everything shared with the publisher is still controlled by DoD and must be pre-approved.
 
Pentagon: Navy SEAL book contains classified information

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A book about the U.S. raid that killed Osama bin Laden by a former Navy SEAL who participated in the mission contains classified information and the Pentagon is reviewing legal options, a Defense Department spokesman said on Tuesday.

But the book's co-author denied the book contained any information that would jeopardize the safety or future missions of Navy special forces personnel.

The book, "No Easy Day," chronicles last year's stealth operation in which members of U.S. Navy SEAL Team Six swooped by helicopter into the al Qaeda leader's house in Pakistan and killed him, ending an intense decade-long manhunt that began with the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington D.C.

The successful operation gave President Barack Obama a national security victory that he is touting in his bid for re-election against Republican rival Mitt Romney.

It is still unclear whether the government ultimately will pursue criminal charges against the book's author, Matt Bissonnette, who was part of a team considered national heroes for taking down bin Laden. The book, which went on sale on Tuesday, was written under the pseudonym "Mark Owen."

Pentagon spokesman George Little said it was a "no-brainer" that the book should have been submitted to the U.S. government for pre-publication review. He said legal options were being reviewed, but would not comment on whether any actual steps would be taken.

"Sensitive and classified information is contained in the book," Little said at a regular news briefing.

SEAL COMMANDER 'EMBARRASSED"

Rear Admiral Sean Pybus, head of the Naval Special Warfare Command that encompasses the SEALs, wrote to his personnel that he was "disappointed, embarrassed and concerned" by activities in recent months by former SEALs who have stated positions in a presidential campaign and hawked details about a top mission.

"For an Elite Force that should be humble and disciplined for life, we are certainly not appearing to be so. We owe our Chain of Command much better than this," he said in the letter obtained by Reuters.

"At risk with irresponsible disclosures is (Naval Special Warfare's) reputation and security," he said.

Kevin Maurer, a veteran journalist who is Bissonnette's co-author, insisted that the ex-SEAL was very careful about what was included in the book.

"When we worked on this book Mark Owen was meticulous about adhering to his desire to never do anything to undermine the SEALs' mission or put his former colleagues in harm's way," Maurer said in a statement emailed to Reuters.

"I personally feel that Mark is a hero who has written a book that celebrates his teammates and the SEALs and that when people get a chance to read this book they will agree," Maurer added.

Bissonnette's lawyer previously questioned whether his client was legally bound to submit the book to authorities for pre-publication review, as the Pentagon says he was.

Despite its concerns about the contents of the book, the Pentagon is not preventing it from being sold at military outlets, Little said.

Bill Harlow, a retired Navy captain and former CIA spokesman, said when he chose to send his novel "Circle William," published in 1999, to both the Pentagon and CIA for pre-publication review, the rules for the Defense Department were "considerably more vague" than for the CIA.

A Pentagon spokesman pointed to a Defense Department directive dated August 22, 2008, that can be seen at http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/523009p.pdf.

The directive states: "Retired personnel, former DoD employees, and non-active duty members of the Reserve Components shall use the DoD security review process to ensure that information they submit for public release does not compromise national security."

GOVERNMENT IN "TRICKY POSITION"

The book has put the government in "a very tricky position" because officials risk appearing "mean-spirited" if they move forward with legal action against someone who helped eliminate bin Laden and who pledged most of the proceeds from the book to families of Navy SEALs, Harlow said.

But taking no action would open the door to others avoiding pre-publication security review in the future, he said. "Owen has certainly presented a thorny problem to the Pentagon."

The book describes why Bissonnette decided to become a Navy SEAL and the preparation ahead of the bin Laden raid, the day of the operation, and the aftermath.

Before the operation they referred to bin Laden as "the Pacer" because intelligence analysts said he walked in the garden area to exercise from time to time. The SEAL team watched him from North Carolina on footage taken by drone aircraft, the book said.

When they saw that he did not react to Pakistani helicopters flying overhead, they knew that he was used to hearing helicopters and would not be alarmed, the book said.

Bissonnette, in an excerpt of an interview with CBS News' "60 Minutes," said the raid was not an assassination operation and it would have been preferable to capture bin Laden alive. "We weren't sent in to, to murder him," he said.

The book contains colored photographs of weapons, helmets with night-vision goggles and other gear, and training shots of SEALs parachuting over the Grand Canyon.

Little said he was not going to discuss any "damage assessments" from the book. "It may, frankly, be too early to tell. The book hasn't been widely distributed yet, but we'll see."

The book was the No. 1 best seller at online retailer Amazon.com on Tuesday.

Ultimately, the Justice Department would determine whether or not to pursue legal action against the Navy SEAL, Little said, without commenting on whether the Pentagon had or would refer the matter for action to the Justice Department.

The Justice Department had no comment.

Pentagon: Navy SEAL book contains classified information - Yahoo! News
 
Kevin Maurer (see post #130) should have ask this SEAL: "Have you received permission to speak out about the mission from DoD? Because if you have not, I ain't helping you write a book about it."
 
so.... um....... *squinting very hard*

I see that no classified information has been leaked nor revealed from Mark Owen's book.

Despite its concerns about the contents of the book, the Pentagon is not preventing it from being sold at military outlets, Little said.

Bill Harlow, a retired Navy captain and former CIA spokesman, said when he chose to send his novel "Circle William," published in 1999, to both the Pentagon and CIA for pre-publication review, the rules for the Defense Department were "considerably more vague" than for the CIA.

there ya go.... how conveniently vague...
 
Kevin Maurer (see post #130) should have ask this SEAL: "Have you received permission to speak out about the mission from DoD? Because if you have not, I ain't helping you write a book about it."

so.... Has Mark Owen been arrested? criminally charged? I thought you're all about "you are presumed innocent until proven guilty in the court of law."

what happened?
 
so.... Has Mark Owen been arrested? criminally charged? I thought you're all about "you are presumed innocent until proven guilty in the court of law."

what happened?

Do you view yourself as "a fly on the wall"? No?
Well hold your horses and wait with everyone else to find out what Mark SAID to the publishers.

Do you know how publishing a book works? Yes?
Well you certainly know at least half what he said out loud did not make the book.
 
Do you view yourself as "a fly on the wall"? No?
I view myself as Mr. Fact.

FACT - Mark Owen has not been criminally charged nor arrested for revealing classified information in his book. and that is a fact.

Well hold your horses and wait with everyone else to find out what Mark SAID to the publishers.
huh? why are you telling me what I've been telling you? you should be holding your horses and wait as you are already calling him a traitor.

Do you know how publishing a book works? Yes?
No I do not need to know how publishing a book works and I do not care for it. Do you know how does "Presumption of Innocence" aka "innocent until proven guilty" works? yes?

Well you certainly know at least half what he said out loud did not make the book.
Fact. All I want is a fact. Since you are already calling him a traitor, you must have gotten an insider information that he has broken the law.

Has he?
 
I view myself as Mr. Fact.

FACT - Mark Owen has not been criminally charged nor arrested for revealing classified information in his book. and that is a fact.


huh? why are you telling me what I've been telling you? you should be holding your horses and wait as you are already calling him a traitor.


No I do not need to know how publishing a book works and I do not care for it. Do you know how does "Presumption of Innocence" aka "innocent until proven guilty" works? yes?


Fact. All I want is a fact. Since you are already calling him a traitor, you must have gotten an insider information that he has broken the law.

Has he?

Yes, he has. By just opening his mouth to the publishers without DoD authorization....and that is a fact that everyone is admitting to.
 
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