Will Bilateral Implants ever been available for Adults in the UK?

doesnt mean that mothers have to see their children being born so early and so ill. doesnt make it right
 
I'm not saying it is right that mothers should see their babies suffer, just that the suffering is sometimes preventable. That mothers should consider that smoking and taking drugs etc. whilst pregnant, can harm their babies, and that they should think twice before they do it.
 
then why should they not spend a small fraction of that amount on people who, through no fault of their own, require bilateral CIs. The number of people involved would be tiny when compared to the number of people who stubbornly refuse to stop smoking, drinking and eating themselves to death.
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dj,
that's true, BUT the "benifit" from bilateral CI isn't as drastic. It basicly gives sound localization abilty and helps in crowd situtions.
While being able to hear in a crowd is nice, virtually every hoh person deals with difficulty in crowd situions.
Even folks with unilaterial losses all have issues in crowd situtions.
 
My mom died of cancer. She didn't drink or smoke. You are generalising rather and it's not true that deafness is always 'through no fault of their own' as people can damage their hearing by going to lots of rock concerts.

We shouldn't be looking at who's fault it is. We should be looking at who NEEDS help most. My mom died because she didn't get the aproprate help on time. My dad has heart disease but has taken up a vegitarian diet so is doing ok with it. The only risks he takes is persisting to drive a car.

You can't generalise people like this.

Life and death conditions should come first who ever fault it is. After all people don't need hearing. Being deaf won't kill you. Coclear implants ARE very expensive too so I'm not sure how you figure it's such a tiny amount.
 
Coclear implants ARE very expensive too so I'm not sure how you figure it's such a tiny amount.
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The way I see it, is that the cost is totally worth it for the first one....
It basicly increases sound perception for those who have pretty much maxed out HAs. BUT the second one tends to not perform as well......the benifits are sound localization (first rung on the "how well can you hear checklist)
and better hearing in noise.
Just seems like an enourmous investment for very little real measured gain...especially when a lot of people might be able to acheive sound localization through a bimodal approach.
Not against bilaterals.....Just think that they should be rationed specificly for the people who absolutly don't get any use out of HAs....If it was demonstrated that the benifit from two CIs was hugely drastic, I'd be all for encouraging people to go bilateral.
 
My mum died of cancer too, she suffered dreadfully, and she didn't smoke or drink either. I'm not generalising, cancer and heart disease do not always have an identifiable cause. I'm just saying that in some cases it is preventable and there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to proof this, surely you must have heard, for instance, of the link between smoking and lung cancer!
 
For example George Bush (footballer) drinks, got liver transplant, still drank and died shortly after.... he doesn't deserve Liver transplant because he won't give up drinking.

My grandfather died of liver failure, He denied transplant because at age of 87 (he was fit, strong, active and fully aware) he believes that someone younger should have it instead of him and he suffered for long time until he died. I love him for it I admire his bravery.
 
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For example George Bush (footballer) drinks, got liver transplant, still drank and died shortly after.... he doesn't deserve Liver transplant because he won't give up drinking.

My grandfather died of liver failure, He denied transplant because at age of 87 (he was fit, strong, active and fully aware) he believes that someone younger should have it instead of him and he suffered for long time until he died. I love him for it I admire his bravery.
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With regard to George Best, this is exactly the sort of situation I meant. Yet the NHS stills spends money on such people.

Your grandfather, on the other hand, is to be admired for his courage and selflessness. You are right to be so proud of him.
 
You know.....has there been any research on the effectiveness of bilateral CIs? Or is bilateral implantion too new to have a large body of research attached to it?
I'd have to say that the jury is still out on whether bilaterals are going to be seen a lot. They will be seen...but the question is if it will be seen a lot or just a bit. I think that in some sub populations there will be a lot of bilateral users. However,
I do know that some kids who were bilaterally implanted have stopped using the second implant....
That does say something that the benfit from a second implant isn't as drastic as the first one.
We'll just have to see.....
 
Why did they stop using the 2nd? If it was still giving benefit, why not? I never go with just one HA unless im too lazy to put the 2nd on and if it's a brief 5 minute converstation.

Bilaterals should not be forced on kids if many of them will just stop using the 2nd one. Let them decide as adults if they want a 2nd CI(or even a first CI)
 
djchur said:
I'm not saying it is right that mothers should see their babies suffer, just that the suffering is sometimes preventable. That mothers should consider that smoking and taking drugs etc. whilst pregnant, can harm their babies, and that they should think twice before they do it.
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The way I see it is that people will ALWAYS have bad habit... overeating, smoking, biting nails, picking at stabs, popping pimples, don't wash their hands, don't wear condom, etc. Doesn't mean they should not be treated. The purpose of healthcare is help people live as long as they can despite their terrible habits because there are who family and friends out there love and need him and he loves them too...

It also doesn't mean people who have precondition should not be treated because it is plain too expensive.

which is why people should pay their own medical care. At least make them be held accountable for their action and make them pay their healthcare instead of refusing to treat them.
 
Why did they stop using the 2nd? If it was still giving benefit, why not? I never go with just one HA unless im too lazy to put the 2nd on and if it's a brief 5 minute converstation.
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I really don't know. But b/c some kids have stopped using their second one (and these are kids who are really good users of their first implants) that can be an indication that a second implant isn't something VITAL. I think there will be subpopultions as well as inivduals that find a bilateral CI right for them....I do however think that the bimodal vs. bilateral debate is going to be exactly like the digital vs analog debate with the hoh crew.
Bilaterals should not be forced on kids if many of them will just stop using the 2nd one. Let them decide as adults if they want a 2nd CI(or even a first CI)
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What?!?! Sorry, but I think that a second one should be an option as a kid.....but the kid should help to make the choice. If it's totally and completly clear that a kid can't benifit from HA after having a first implant....or has some sort of etoilogy that prevents them from getting benifit in their other ear, get them implanted......Remember..... early implantation is vital for maximum use of the implant. I do think that some doctors tend to overemphasize implantation ASAP....
 
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