Wildire burns South California

Did you read the red part in my article (post #18)? They're reimbursing the fees to all customers. I'm sure they're hit with bad publicity because of this.

CrazyPaul said:
What?

Does it mean that people who left the cars on the freeways because it was too dangerous to stay in their vehicles are legally charged by the tow companies? Oh well I think their car insurances should pay for the charges because if their car got on fire, the insurance would pay for it anyway (Blue Book value costs more than the tow charge so I think the insurances should pay for it).

In the back of my mind, there will be lawsuits against towing companies and/or insurance companies which refuse to pay for it. That's getting ridiculous to pay at least $1,000 for towing. I paid $60 for towing.
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Foxrac said:
Just shoot drone down and slapping with high fine like $5,000.
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LOL! I was thinking that too ! Just shoot the damn drones down . I saw this on the news and one firemen said they would had gotten to the burning cars sooner if it was not for the drones. I really the new technology is making some people stupid , flying drones in air space when a wildfire is burning. :roll:
 
Update: Now 75% contained thanks to the rain:

Weekend downpours that may continue Monday helped stop the North and Pine fires from spreading but also flooded roads, caused mudslides and forced a number of events to be canceled, authorities said Sunday.

The National Weather Service issued a flash-flood warning for the San Bernardino area and a less severe flash-flood watch for the San Gabriel Valley.

“Reports are starting to come in of some pretty significant flooding in the Inland Empire,” James Brotherton, a National Weather Service meteorologist based in San Diego, said about 3:30 p.m.

The worst flash floods were occurring in Perris and other parts of Riverside County, he said, but San Bernardino County was also experiencing substantial rainfall.

Water and mud flowed into several Moreno Valley homes.

San Timoteo Canyon Road was closed between Fern Avenue and Redlands Boulevard because of mudslides, according to the Redlands Fire Department. Firefighters rescued four people who were trapped in their cars. Another motorist was stranded in Reche Canyon when his car got stuck in mud.

Other destruction from the rain included rock slides on mountain roads, a downed tree in Redlands, flooded Victorville streets, delays on the San Bernardino Metrolink line and mud flowing onto the 15 Freeway near Highway 138 in the Cajon Pass, causing lanes to temporarily close.

• Photos: North fire burns homes, cars near Cajon Pass

Outdoor concerts in Sierra Madre and Glendora were canceled. Junior University canceled performances of “The Jungle Book” that were scheduled for Saturday and Sunday in San Bernardino’s Perris Hill Park.

A portion of Redlands High School’s Dodge Stadium found itself under water.

Coaches and school district staff were on site to assess the situation and said the Zanja channel, which runs next to the stadium, could be to blame.

“When the Zanja overfills, it comes into the school,” explained Mario Camarena, a maintenance supervisor at Redlands High. “When it rains really hard, the level of the (Zanja) works to take it all in, but when it rains like it did, there’s no way to hold it all back.”

Los Angeles County beaches remained open, but lifeguards advised against swimming near river mouths and storm drains.

“Rain and thunderstorms will continue widespread this evening and then diminishing after midnight” in the San Bernardino Valley, Brotherton said. “For tomorrow morning, we still could have a few showers and thunderstorms before noon and then drying out tomorrow afternoon.”

The storms are expected to linger around the San Bernardino Mountains and San Gabriel Valley Monday night, according to the National Weather Service.

Weather officials advised residents to be wary of mountainsides that have recently burned and flash-flood areas.

“Be very cautious around flooded roads,” Brotherton said. “It’s safer just to turn around because you don’t know how deep the water will be.”

The San Bernardino Fire Department notified firefighters to make sure they have swift-water rescue gear on their trucks.

Water and mud rushed through the Pines fire incident command center near Wrightwood.

Rain totals were scattered throughout the region. Phelan received the most, just under 2 inches. Most of the San Bernardino and Inland valleys accumulated between 1/10 and a half inch, according to NWS accumulation figures.

• Photos: Firefighters battle Pines Fire near Wrightwood

The rain helped firefighters get the upper hand on the Pine fire, which ignited Friday night, caused hundreds to evacuate from campgrounds and burned about 200 acres.

The campgrounds and Highway 2 were reopened Sunday, according to U.S. Forest Service spokesman Andrew Mitchell.

He said active flames had mostly subsided and the fire was mostly smoldering.

“It’s mostly in mop-up phase and finishing up,” he said. “The weather overnight had a good effect. Hopefully, we’ll have some more weather today that will help.”

Roughly 20 miles northeast, Baldy Mesa residents were allowed to return to their homes, but three fire roads remained closed after the North fire ripped through the community Friday, according to fire officials. Seven homes, 16 other structures and 44 vehicles were destroyed by the blaze.

Shortly after the fire ignited, another 20 cars were destroyed and 10 more were damaged when flames ran across the 15 Freeway in the Cajon Pass, where traffic was backed up. No one has been seriously injured by the wildfire.

Fire officials said Sunday the blaze was 75 percent contained. The acreage increased from 3,500 to 4,250 acres because of better mapping. The fire hadn’t spread, the U.S. Forest Service said.

A bridge collapsed Sunday at the eastbound 10 Freeway and Eagle Mountain Road in Desert Center, trapping a truck beneath the debris, according to the Riverside County Fire Department.

The bridge reportedly collapsed into water that built up during the afternoon’s thunderstorms.

Caltrans officials said both sides of the freeway would be closed for an extended period.

Staff Writers Doug Saunders, Brian Day and Kristina Hernandez and City News Service contributed to this report.
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http://www.whittierdailynews.com/ge...m-helps-in-battling-wildfires-causes-flooding
 
California do suffer....it is possible to get water from different parts of country I lived in London some water came from the North underground reservoirs..as I understand it big boulders containing natural water that all I know...
Oregan and Washington with help of mountains I can see science how could be done
 
Raising prices for necessary products and services for recovery from a disaster is called price gouging, and in many places (should be all), it's illegal. The tow trucks have a right to charge for their services they perform but they don't have the right to take advantage of the vehicles' owners by increasing their prices.

In our family's insurance policy, towing costs are reimbursable, up to a normal limit. Prices that were gouged wouldn't be covered beyond the normal amount. I'm guessing that most insurance policies have similar limitations.
 
It's probably not cost effective to pipe water long distances, and probably not a reliable source. If the source area experiences a drought, then California would be cut off again.

Maybe it's time to look seriously at using desalinization plants for fresh water production. I don't know what the cost factors would be though. The U.S. Navy uses desalination for its ships and submarines.
 
Reba said:
It's probably not cost effective to pipe water long distances, and probably not a reliable source. If the source area experiences a drought, then California would be cut off again.

Maybe it's time to look seriously at using desalinization plants for fresh water production. I don't know what the cost factors would be though. The U.S. Navy uses desalination for its ships and submarines.
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http://carlsbaddesal.com/


There is a desalinization plant in one city this was on the news but I can't recall when.
 
Reba said:
It's probably not cost effective to pipe water long distances, and probably not a reliable source. If the source area experiences a drought, then California would be cut off again.

Maybe it's time to look seriously at using desalinization plants for fresh water production. I don't know what the cost factors would be though. The U.S. Navy uses desalination for its ships and submarines.
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There are a lot of options that people could use, if only they were willing to change some aspects of lifestyle... going to the oceans is not really an answer because of the long term repercussions ...
 
Published: June 13, 2011

. . . When Castro cut off Guantanamo in 1964, the Navy spent five months importing potable water by barge while a desalination plant was built at break-neck speed.

It was such an astonishing feat that Castro did not believe it could be true. He accused the United States of stealing Cuban water.

To prove him wrong, the base's commanding officer, Vice Adm. John Bulkeley, invited reporters to join him at the base's northeast gate, where he cut the pipe connecting the base to the Cuban water system. He held up the pipe, and it was bone dry.

Today, the 45-square-mile naval station in southeast Cuba -- the United States' oldest overseas base and the only one located in a country with which the United States has no diplomatic relations -- produces about 1 million gallons of water each day….
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Water at GITMO
 
Jezie said:
There are a lot of options that people could use, if only they were willing to change some aspects of lifestyle…
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That's true.

going to the oceans is not really an answer because of the long term repercussions ...
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What would be the long term repercussions?
 
Reba said:
That's true.


What would be the long term repercussions?
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People fail to live within their means... they are greedy and lazy... you give them an "easy" out they will take it... if we start draining our oceans for people who can cut their usage down they will just want more and more... what of our oceans and the life there? Sadly, people need to learn to use less... not more...
 
Calvin said:
Did you read the red part in my article (post #18)? They're reimbursing the fees to all customers. I'm sure they're hit with bad publicity because of this.
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Oh, that's just what they said. It doesn't mean that they will reimburse it to 9 of them, if there were more than 9, why don't they reimburse them as well?

I heard that the towing fee went up and up, thank God, I joined the AAA membership so that's between AAA and the towing businesses in which I am sure that AAA is allowed to pay at its price, not the towing business' price. As same as the car insurance's price for car damages. All car collisions repairers' costs are controlled by CA regulations so those shops can't rip off on those who are insured.
 
CrazyPaul said:
Oh, that's just what they said. It doesn't mean that they will reimburse it to 9 of them, if there were more than 9, why don't they reimburse them as well?

I heard that the towing fee went up and up, thank God, I joined the AAA membership so that's between AAA and the towing businesses in which I am sure that AAA is allowed to pay at its price, not the towing business' price. As same as the car insurance's price for car damages. All car collisions repairers' costs are controlled by CA regulations so those shops can't rip off on those who are insured.
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When my car was T boned by a teenage driver he had to pay for my towing fee b/c he was 100 % at fault.
 
The CHP has contract with those tow companies to come to scene in accident or abandoned vehicles to clear the roads.

AAA has a limit of free towing up to 4 per year.

AAA Membership provides each Member with Emergency Road Service up to an aggregate of four (4) times in a Membership year (see additional terms and conditions below).
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https://calstate.aaa.com/global/membership-terms-and-conditions


CrazyPaul said:
Oh, that's just what they said. It doesn't mean that they will reimburse it to 9 of them, if there were more than 9, why don't they reimburse them as well?

I heard that the towing fee went up and up, thank God, I joined the AAA membership so that's between AAA and the towing businesses in which I am sure that AAA is allowed to pay at its price, not the towing business' price. As same as the car insurance's price for car damages. All car collisions repairers' costs are controlled by CA regulations so those shops can't rip off on those who are insured.
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Calvin said:
Towing Companies getting hit with bad publicity...

https://plus.google.com/107382329141470799794/about?gl=us&hl=en

http://www.yelp.com/biz/desert-valley-towing-apple-valley
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Oh wow, everyone hate towing companies.

My mother had nasty confrontation with man who towed her car in NoVA in 1992 and I was with my mother - I was 4 years old and cried very loudly when I see towing man and my mother argued about parking regulation so towing man let us go without take her car after man got bad headache when I cried loudly.
 
That's another reason why towing companies reimburse these customers because of this.

CHP probably going to make changes and put cap on the towing cost as well as lawmakers going to do something about it too.

"Once the CHP found out about these concerns, we actually reached out to all our tow companies that are on our rotation that we requested and we actually worked with them to mitigate the situation," said CHP Officer Steve Carapia. "We do have some control over the amount they charge. It's just that we can't ask them to do it for free. They did render services, but again, we're trying to conduct it so it's fair for everybody."

Carapia said that CHP has a tow-service agreement with all the companies that responded. Under that contract, CHP is able to set a cap on how much these tow companies can charge. It basically protects customers from price gouging.
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http://abc7.com/news/chp-agreement-...ire-drivers-from-excessive-tow-prices/866818/

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Assemblyman Jay Obernolte (R-Hesperia) announced Tuesday he’s cracking down on such services, which he said charged as much as $1,600 to retrieve vehicles left stranded as people fled for their lives while the blaze jumped the freeway, consuming several cars and trucks in its path.

“This form of price gouging is unfair and unwarranted, and I am taking steps to rectify the situation,” he said in a statement.
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http://www.presstelegram.com/genera...ins-on-bandit-cajon-pass-fire-towing-services

Foxrac said:
Oh wow, everyone hate towing companies.

My mother had nasty confrontation with man who towed her car in NoVA in 1992 and I was with my mother - I was 4 years old and cried very loudly when I see towing man and my mother argued about parking regulation so towing man let us go without take her car after man got bad headache when I cried loudly.
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