Why the Pope opposes condoms

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If I have aids or hiv then I will never have sex with anyone include my husband. People with AIDS and HIVs should not mess around with other lives. IMHO>
 
jazzy said:
If I have aids or hiv then I will never have sex with anyone include my husband. People with AIDS and HIVs should not mess around with other lives. IMHO>
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Many people don't know they have HIV/AIDS or how it's spread, especially in Africa. This is a problem because it doesn't have any specific tell-tale symptoms, you can infect people well before you have AIDS.

If people did what the pope said HIV/AIDS would be a much smaller problem, but I don't think an eighty-two year old virgin would know how unrealistic that is.
 
Mockingbird said:
Many people don't know they have HIV/AIDS or how it's spread, especially in Africa. This is a problem because it doesn't have any specific tell-tale symptoms, you can infect people well before you have AIDS.

If people did what the pope said HIV/AIDS would be a much smaller problem, but I don't think an eighty-two year old virgin would know how unrealistic that is.
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I wouldn't be suprised if the Pope has had sexual relations. Afterall--the Catholic church is well known for it's sex scandals.
 
Byrdie714 said:
I wouldn't be suprised if the Pope has had sexual relations. Afterall--the Catholic church is well known for it's sex scandals.
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Yea...it is a shame that the scandals happened.
 
Doug5 said:
they oppose condoms so their followers have more children. There by increasing their membership and donations.
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So they think it's OK to spread AIDS if it means their followers can still procreate? That's really dumb and horrible and very selfish.
 
AIDS passed by other means than SEX

You can get it from other ways besides sex, so his argument is null and void.

Ignore science and it will still hold you to blame for your failure to use basic logic.

Just my $0.02.
 
one of reasons

rapper use condom and leave no trace.

another...

men tend break women's heart as she thought men love her but over body only.
 
Here's the thing, do I agree with the pope that they shouldn't use condoms? No. Absolutely not. But what's the point of vilifying him? The Catholic church has a certain stance of any form birth control, and he has a position within that church that requires him to voice that stance.

Also, it's not like he's supporting people having sex and getting AIDS, he is not saying that he's against condoms because they may reduce the risk of AIDS, but Catholics don't believe in birth control.

Here's what I think is silly. He may be making things up when he says that condoms don't work to stop transmission of HIV, but honestly, it is still safer not to have sex than to use a condom. Does that mean that if the Pope says that Catholics shouldn't use condoms that all of a sudden nobody will have sex with more than one person and there will be no more rapes? Of course not. But if someone else said it, you might call them an idealist. The fact that things aren't perfect isn't supposed to change the church's position. (I mean, unless the "not perfect" means that they need money, and need to invent church dogma....)

The other thing that I think is interesting is that everyone is so quick to jump on the Pope for what he said, but nobody says anything about the fact that it's only dangerous if people believe in and follow him. They choose to join the Catholic church, and choose to believe in its dictates. Why isn't anyone rolling their eyes at how dumb the people are?

(Note: I'm not blaming them, and I don't agree with the Pope. I just think it's interesting the way that blame gets assigned in cases like these.)

(Also, Mods: I am not discussing religion. In this context, I am discussing the Catholic church as a historical and societal institution. If you think the comments are too close to religion, or if others react to them that way, you can feel free to delete them.)
 
lsfoster said:
Here's the thing, do I agree with the pope that they shouldn't use condoms? No. Absolutely not. But what's the point of vilifying him? The Catholic church has a certain stance of any form birth control, and he has a position within that church that requires him to voice that stance.

Also, it's not like he's supporting people having sex and getting AIDS, he is not saying that he's against condoms because they may reduce the risk of AIDS, but Catholics don't believe in birth control.

Here's what I think is silly. He may be making things up when he says that condoms don't work to stop transmission of HIV, but honestly, it is still safer not to have sex than to use a condom. Does that mean that if the Pope says that Catholics shouldn't use condoms that all of a sudden nobody will have sex with more than one person and there will be no more rapes? Of course not. But if someone else said it, you might call them an idealist. The fact that things aren't perfect isn't supposed to change the church's position. (I mean, unless the "not perfect" means that they need money, and need to invent church dogma....)

The other thing that I think is interesting is that everyone is so quick to jump on the Pope for what he said, but nobody says anything about the fact that it's only dangerous if people believe in and follow him. They choose to join the Catholic church, and choose to believe in its dictates. Why isn't anyone rolling their eyes at how dumb the people are?

(Note: I'm not blaming them, and I don't agree with the Pope. I just think it's interesting the way that blame gets assigned in cases like these.)

(Also, Mods: I am not discussing religion. In this context, I am discussing the Catholic church as a historical and societal institution. If you think the comments are too close to religion, or if others react to them that way, you can feel free to delete them.)
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I do understand that Catholics are against Birth Control. But for him to target a group of people with high number of HIV infected individuals. Why can't he just accept the fact that condoms are not ONLY used as a Birth Control method. It also Helps prevent the spread of Diseases. If the pope Looks at condoms as being something to help prevent spread of STD's instead of Birth Control. It would be a better thing for everyone.
 
Babyblue said:
I do understand that Catholics are against Birth Control. But for him to target a group of people with high number of HIV infected individuals. Why can't he just accept the fact that condoms are not ONLY used as a Birth Control method. It also Helps prevent the spread of Diseases. If the pope Looks at condoms as being something to help prevent spread of STD's instead of Birth Control. It would be a better thing for everyone.
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Right, but my point was that abstinence also helps prevent the spread of disease, and as far as the church is considered, it's not much of a choice between endorsing abstinence or endorsing birth control. And I don't think he's "targeting" a group of people, it's the same stance for everyone. He's just saying that the prevalence of HIV in Africa doesn't justify using something the church is against when there are other ways to avoid it. Without starting a discussion about how the church makes its decisions and their religious views on matters, I don't know what else to say about it. :shrug:
 
Well just my simple answer, my families is Catholic and they are happy.

Some people feel like their religion beliefs was right for them, that's why they feel like they should not have sex till the marriage nor taking advantage of the condoms to have the sex. That's the smartest thing to do, to not have the sex at all.

But the problem is that there are some other people that cannot wait. They want the sex, period. How can we help to reduce the risks for those kind of people who cannot follow the religions? The condoms and others are the answer.

It's just that, some people have their own best ways.
 
deafbajagal said:
People needs to take responsbilities for their own actions. Blaming the Pope is a cop-out.

Here are their choices:
1. Don't wear a condom...then don't have sex where you're expose to catching something.
2. Don't wear a condom...don't have sex.
3. Wear a condom. Your chances of contracting HIV decreases.


If you're a true Catholic who listens to the Pope, then you wouldn't need to be worrying about contracting HIV through means of having sexual relations with random people and so on...because you wouldn't do it! Duh.
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My fiance is Catholic, and we are not married, and we have sex anyway. We do not believe we would go to hell for having sex before marriage. And he has a picture of the Pope in his grandfather's truck (actually his grandfather put it there, I think). We just don't agree with abstinence since we feel we are old enough to have sex and we feel that it is not a sin. And, of course, we use condoms.
 
BradB08 said:
Yet another example of how the Catholic Church is stuck in the 11th Century.

WHY do people give these fools any form of authority? They have shown that they wish to stick to archaic teachings and beliefs that have no place in modern society.

I must be the only one that thinks that a former member of the Hitler Youth has no right to make decisions for millions of people.
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I know Wiki isn't a great source, but I have to go to bed very soon so I did
a quick skim of Wiki to see if there was any mention of him being in Hitler Youth. It seems, from what I read on Wiki, that the Pope was enrolled in Hitler Youth at 14 years old because at that time, all 14 years old German boys were required to be enrolled in Hitler Youth. However, he did not support Hitler Youth and refused to attend meetings. His father was also an enemy of Nazism as well. Oh, and Ratzinger was his name before he became the Pope.

Pope Benedict XVI - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Following his fourteenth birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was enrolled in the Hitler Youth, as membership was required for all 14-year old German boys after December 1939[6], but was an unenthusiastic member and refused to attend meetings.[7] His father was a bitter enemy of Nazism, believing it conflicted with the Catholic faith, according to biographer John L. Allen, Jr. In 1941, one of Ratzinger's cousins, a 14-year-old boy with Down syndrome, was killed by the Nazi regime in its campaign of eugenics.[8] In 1943 while still in seminary, he was drafted at age 16 into the German anti-aircraft corps. Ratzinger then trained in the German infantry, but a subsequent illness precluded him from the usual rigours of military duty. As the Allied front drew closer to his post in 1945, he deserted back to his family's home in Traunstein after his unit had ceased to exist, just as American troops established their headquarters in the Ratzinger household. As a German soldier, he was put in a POW camp but was released a few months later at the end of the War in summer 1945. He reentered the seminary, along with his brother Georg, in November of that year.
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Again, i know Wiki isn't a good source and I can't say that it is absolutely true, but it is good for a quick skim and a starting place for research anyway. I will find a better source tomorrow night. I've gotta get to bed cause I have to be at my fiance's house tomorrow for Easter. Good night.
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
My fiance is Catholic, and we are not married, and we have sex anyway. We do not believe we would go to hell for having sex before marriage. And he has a picture of the Pope in his grandfather's truck (actually his grandfather put it there, I think). We just don't agree with abstinence since we feel we are old enough to have sex and we feel that it is not a sin. And, of course, we use condoms.
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I'm not sure what the point of this post is. Obviously, if you want to say that you are Catholic even when you deliberately don't follow the church's commandments, that's up to you, but what does that prove? You seem to be against what the Pope said, but to me this post takes blame off him even more. If it's so easy to be Catholic and ignore what the church says, then it shouldn't really matter what he says anyways.

It seems to me that either being Catholic means something and is an important part of someone's life, in which case it is the Pope's responsibility to support and voice the church's stance on issues like this, or it's something that can just sort of be brushed off, in which case it doesn't really matter what he said. But both of those are something that people need to decide themselves, and neither of them make the Pope out to be the bad-guy in this situation.
 
PuyoPiyo said:
Well just my simple answer, my families is Catholic and they are happy.

Some people feel like their religion beliefs was right for them, that's why they feel like they should not have sex till the marriage nor taking advantage of the condoms to have the sex. That's the smartest thing to do, to not have the sex at all.

But the problem is that there are some other people that cannot wait. They want the sex, period. How can we help to reduce the risks for those kind of people who cannot follow the religions? The condoms and others are the answer.

It's just that, some people have their own best ways.
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Exactly... I thought the same thing, too...
 
i had thought of replying to this, until i read some of the replies, so i decided there's no point, as the vast majority answered themselves:roll:scary and so small minded, we let ourseleves down too:Oops:
 
lsfoster said:
I'm not sure what the point of this post is. Obviously, if you want to say that you are Catholic even when you deliberately don't follow the church's commandments, that's up to you, but what does that prove? You seem to be against what the Pope said, but to me this post takes blame off him even more. If it's so easy to be Catholic and ignore what the church says, then it shouldn't really matter what he says anyways.

It seems to me that either being Catholic means something and is an important part of someone's life, in which case it is the Pope's responsibility to support and voice the church's stance on issues like this, or it's something that can just sort of be brushed off, in which case it doesn't really matter what he said. But both of those are something that people need to decide themselves, and neither of them make the Pope out to be the bad-guy in this situation.
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I'm not saying that the pope is the bad guy. We just like to decide for ourselves and make our own decisions regarding our sex life even though my fiance is Catholic. We are doing what we feel is right regardless of what the Pope says.
 
I think the reason that the pope is against condoms is because he can't find any that are small enough. :lol:
 
Merlin, each time I hear about the pope, He gets more stupid! Honestly, objecting condoms is seriously a bad idea.... We need a protection from HIV/AIDS and having sex isn't the only way getting AIDS/HIV, you can get them through blood.... apparently the pope doesn't know that, does he? He's just plain stupid eighty some years old Virgin.
 
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