Why should deaf people be around hearing people instead of O N L Y deaf people
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deafdyke said:
Those two issues are totally different.
I am not a white seperatist. I have some White Nationalist beliefs but I do not always 100% agree with all of it. FYI White seperatist and White nationalist are two totally different concepts. A brief look at Wilkipedia on White nationalist will explain this very clearly. White nationalists and Christian Identity want to avoid bad crime, bad people, bad places and improve society through appropriate, positive and legal means.
White seperatists want to do it through violent means which many times, is no good and people get confused with what white seperatists and White Nationalism are. White Nationalism is non-violent.
Deaf people who are Deaf power/Deaf militant do it because they want to be proud which is fine but to force Deaf power on another normal Deaf people like me is not right. People can only make a decision of their own free will to be a normal Deaf person or a Deaf power/militant etc. and the same goes for hearing people too.
Deaf/Hearing world !
Hey, Everyone !
When I was a kid, I was around the hearing world and trying to learn how to communicated with the hearing world .I have to tell you that some of the hearing people are willing to learn sign language because they wanted to communicate with deaf world . I think it is similar situation where you are interact with BOTH world . I dont see any different between the deaf and hearing world but remeber , we all are the human where we can learn aspect of things that hearing people have. It's ok for hearing people to be around the deaf communities because they want to know or understand the deaf communities . or they have the deaf parents who encourages to participate in the deaf communities.. only if they are interested. Some of the deaf think that the hearing took advantange of delevoping the sign skill so they can be able to be in the interpreter program but we cannot labeled the hearing people as taking advantage of the opporunities whom want to be in interpeter program . I think it's great for the hearing people to learn sign language and becoming an interpeter , just to help deaf people who needs assistance by doctors, court , and so on . The point is that we dont need to be labeled as to " why should deaf people be around the hearing people instead of ONLY deaf people". We do have the deaf events in communities where we attended to ( Only Deaf Club or whatever ) and we allow the hearing people to be part of us .Of course , the deaf people attend to the hearing people events as well . it is the same concept ! NTID and Galludet Unversity as well as Any Unversity does have hearing people who attend there and learn about the Deaf education because they want to be a teacher BUT I am aware of the fact that Deaf communities prefer to have Deaf teacher where they can communicate with deaf students.. I can understand that . WE dont need to be " ONLY " deaf people away from the hearing world but openly to the public .We are intelluctual in many way where we have the abilities ... it's a blessing ! Most important , I thijnk the hearing parents should send deaf students to the deaf Residentials because they need to get involved in the deaf cultures and become awareness of deaf opporunities. Sadly , they did not send them to the deaf residential because the hearing parents think that the education is not meet their requirement or expecation .
Hey, Everyone !
When I was a kid, I was around the hearing world and trying to learn how to communicated with the hearing world .I have to tell you that some of the hearing people are willing to learn sign language because they wanted to communicate with deaf world . I think it is similar situation where you are interact with BOTH world . I dont see any different between the deaf and hearing world but remeber , we all are the human where we can learn aspect of things that hearing people have. It's ok for hearing people to be around the deaf communities because they want to know or understand the deaf communities . or they have the deaf parents who encourages to participate in the deaf communities.. only if they are interested. Some of the deaf think that the hearing took advantange of delevoping the sign skill so they can be able to be in the interpreter program but we cannot labeled the hearing people as taking advantage of the opporunities whom want to be in interpeter program . I think it's great for the hearing people to learn sign language and becoming an interpeter , just to help deaf people who needs assistance by doctors, court , and so on . The point is that we dont need to be labeled as to " why should deaf people be around the hearing people instead of ONLY deaf people". We do have the deaf events in communities where we attended to ( Only Deaf Club or whatever ) and we allow the hearing people to be part of us .Of course , the deaf people attend to the hearing people events as well . it is the same concept ! NTID and Galludet Unversity as well as Any Unversity does have hearing people who attend there and learn about the Deaf education because they want to be a teacher BUT I am aware of the fact that Deaf communities prefer to have Deaf teacher where they can communicate with deaf students.. I can understand that . WE dont need to be " ONLY " deaf people away from the hearing world but openly to the public .We are intelluctual in many way where we have the abilities ... it's a blessing ! Most important , I thijnk the hearing parents should send deaf students to the deaf Residentials because they need to get involved in the deaf cultures and become awareness of deaf opporunities. Sadly , they did not send them to the deaf residential because the hearing parents think that the education is not meet their requirement or expecation .
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Well, to be candid, I have been raised in hearing family and I went to mainstreamed schools so I came up to hearing peers and told them about deafness through presentations. They didn't even care to come to me since high school was closed minded about disabilities.deafdyke said:
Since you mentioned that you are afraid that hearing people would not understand you, please think of yourself as NON-DISABLED person and come up to hearing people then they would be willing to learn from YOU.
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This is the basis of our annual Johnny Scott Memorial Chess Match that takes place in mid-September. Johnny Scott always wanted peaceful co-existence between the deaf and hearing people. After his passing, his mother authorized us to use his name for the annual Labor Day chess match.
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I don't blame you. I agree with you. There is nothing wrong with socializing with deaf people, but I think it is very important to have a balance because that is the real world. Everywhere that I go no one signs. I don't expect hearing people to know sign language because that's asking them all to know Spanish. What would be the point anyway? Some hearing people will never meet a deaf person in their lifetime or for a long time, so how do they get to practice their skills? Not everyone's going to make the committment to go and meet deaf people. They have lives to live. I also agree very much that every deaf child should learn SEE if oralism isn't helping alone. I don't believe ASL is the answer to combat literacy problems. So many deaf people struggle with language, and I hate that deaf people are put through this difficult process by not working on their language in school instead of college. English is a MUST. Deafness is no excuse not to learn it. It's never too late for a deaf person to learn to improve their language if they are finished with school, but that is not fair of the schools or parents not to teach them a proper language program to help them be prepared. Deafness is not excuse. I don't care what other excuses.
I, too, was raised in the hearing world, but I have seen that deaf people can bring their language up to par if they work at it. If they can do it, so can anyone during school.
I, too, was raised in the hearing world, but I have seen that deaf people can bring their language up to par if they work at it. If they can do it, so can anyone during school.
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rjr2006 said:
Sorry, buddy
You are wrong.
Gally does accept Hearing Undergraduate Student. Gally also accept hearies for the Graduate Programs...
BTW, NTID also accept hearing students for the interpreting program.
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Heath said:
rjr2006 said:
That's why NTID only offers associate degrees, diplomas or certifications.
If you want to obtain B.S/B.A degree or Master degree, go to RIT.
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Mookie said:
rjr2006 said "Please remember that Gallaudet University does not enroll MANY hearing people." (emphasis mine)
He didn't say they don't enroll hearing people.
He was not wrong.
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Maybe he did not make clear statement. I assumed he meant that there were not hearing students for undergraduate programs execpt graduate programs.
RjR, I didn't mean to offend your bright reputation...
rjr, I do have that attidue but it doesn't help with prejudicated people who think I am MR b/c of my voice. I am definitly not pro-seperatist.....when I talk to parents of dhh kids, I always always advise them that it's usually best to try to do a split placement sort of deal,(in terms of education, camps, communication etc) so they get the best of both worlds (this includes kids who are "suceeding" in the hearing world, as they may need exposure to the deaf world too)
Heath, same difference. You are still VERY racist! Hey, we ALL want low crime, thriving country etc.....the only difference between racists and non racists, is that nonracists don't automaticly think that b/c someone has different colored skin, they are automaticly savages. Were you aware that the crime stats are BIASED b/c our justice system is VERY racist and anti poor people? B/c of white privilage, a good ol' white boy can do things like rape, murder, drug dealing and get off b/c the judge thinks they're a good boy at heart. If you have money you can buy ANYONE off.
Trust me......way back when, people thought that the Irish, were the scum of the earth......lived in ghettos, had tons of gangs (Gangs of New York anyone?) Look how far the Irish have come! God, look how far MANY marginalized ethinic minorities have come! There's no going back Heath......the idealized utopia painted by the people on Stormfront has NEVER EVER existed......and even if there were all white communitees.....there would still be huge amounts of crime!
Heath, same difference. You are still VERY racist! Hey, we ALL want low crime, thriving country etc.....the only difference between racists and non racists, is that nonracists don't automaticly think that b/c someone has different colored skin, they are automaticly savages. Were you aware that the crime stats are BIASED b/c our justice system is VERY racist and anti poor people? B/c of white privilage, a good ol' white boy can do things like rape, murder, drug dealing and get off b/c the judge thinks they're a good boy at heart. If you have money you can buy ANYONE off.
Trust me......way back when, people thought that the Irish, were the scum of the earth......lived in ghettos, had tons of gangs (Gangs of New York anyone?) Look how far the Irish have come! God, look how far MANY marginalized ethinic minorities have come! There's no going back Heath......the idealized utopia painted by the people on Stormfront has NEVER EVER existed......and even if there were all white communitees.....there would still be huge amounts of crime!
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rjr2006 said:
This is how I approach people. I own my disability. That is to say, I am what I am, but I don't come off that way to others. I expect people to treat me the way they treat others they meet. If someone doesn't want to do that, then, I don't waste my time.
Life is too short to worry about what others are gonna think of me. I used to care, but not anymore. If they have a problem with my disability, that's on them! NOT me.
OB, I'm like that too. I mean I am obviously "different" (voice and hearing aids and signs) but I remember running into a friend of mine from high school, a few years ago....mentioend that I wasn't having any issues getting disabilty services. She looked at me and was like "You're disabled?"