Why owning a home is better than renting

Not exactly.

You can deduct the mortgage interest and certain other homeownership related taxes and expenses from your income, which will reduce the amount of tax due. But that doesn't necessarily mean you will get a refund from IRS. It depends on how much tax you owe, and how much was either withheld or paid for that year. Not every homeowner gets a refund check.
a quick note:
and it depends on how much interest you paid and if its more than the standard deduction

every mortgage says "and it is tax-deductable" keep in mind thats' not always true its only true if you pay more than the standard deduction
 
I'm aware of this. :thumb:

Right now, I'll be renting an apartment. When I get married, I'll consider getting a house. :)
Ditto... although I would like to get a house regardless if married or not...

anyway...
hmm none of you factors in cost of utilities eh
 
Not exactly.

You can deduct the mortgage interest and certain other homeownership related taxes and expenses from your income, which will reduce the amount of tax due. But that doesn't necessarily mean you will get a refund from IRS. It depends on how much tax you owe, and how much was either withheld or paid for that year. Not every homeowner gets a refund check.

Sure, we got ours refund, and we are using that for remodeling, or buy new applicanes, stuffs like that.. Maybe like a new garbage disposals, new back patio, maybe build a new garage and something small remodel around the house, maybe like new paints, new sink, something like that. We always get refunds every year...

a quick note:
and it depends on how much interest you paid and if its more than the standard deduction

every mortgage says "and it is tax-deductable" keep in mind thats' not always true its only true if you pay more than the standard deduction

Thank you for explantations, DeafScuba.. We paid so much money on interests and we have very low interests..
 
Interesting thread. I can see that our system is different.

Yes I aware that own the house is better than rent the apartment or whatever.

The bank demand between 20% and 25% or more desposit and join life insurance before they are able to give us loan for the house. Without desposit and life insurance, we will not get loan. We made 10 years fix with low interest agreement contract to pay equal mortgage payment every month. Our 2nd agreement contract will be end next year... It's time for us to look for low interest to get the fix for next year then our house will finish to pay off in summer 2018 then we are free. (We choose 30 years instead of 10 or 15 years because we want plenty of time to enjoy ourselves, travel, etc than pay high monthy mortgage like crazy).

We bought a land from a farmer very cheaper in 1987 and one year later we built with our design house. (It was before the Berlin wall pulled down).

We got 15,000 DM to count % of value house (around $10,000) tax free a year up for 10 year after start to build the house in 1988. We paid 25DM ($17) tax properly a year for 10 years. After the wall of Berlin pulled down, the price of houses and lands goes double. 10 years later after house built, tax properly was go up from 25DM to 50DM a year.

We extended wintergarden and my son's bedroom, porch in 1999. We applied for subsidy to improve our house. We received 2,812 EUR = $3,700 subsidy from government to help to improve our house every year for 8 years. It will end next year... It's same with everyone as well.

After EURO convertion, things goes change... the house and lands goes up than double prices... The people who wants to buy the houses or build the house then they will get subsidy from government for 8 years, not extend the houses and no tax free for 10 years anymore. My time before the Berlin wall and EUR convertion was good one... but the people still acheive to buy the house/apartment after long year saving up and pay high desposit to get a very low interest (between 1,5% and 2,5% interest) and monthly mortgage payment for 5 or 10 years. (4% and 6% interest was at my time before the wall berlin and EUR convertion). We will get new agreement contract for fix interest for next year... %????????

At the moment we paid EUR 199 ($250) tax properly a year.
 
Ok, first of all, what I'm about to say here regarding why owning a home is better than renting, is my opinion whether you agree or disagree. No offense to the renters out there. ;)
If it weren't for the recent run-up in housing prices, I would tend to agree with much of what you say.
Let's say you rent an apartment for $1,500 per month for 30 years. $1,500 X 30 Years = $540,000. That's only an estimate, and let's not forget that rent goes up every year.
That's true. Keep in mind that rents are controlled by market forces. Rents can only go up as to how much the market can willingly bear. If the market demands $1,000/mo. rents, then that's what the units will rent for. In fact, in the Bay Area (Northern California), rents actually went down.
On the other hand, if you buy a home that's worth, let's say, $200,000. Your mortgage payment, including taxes and maintenance, is likely to be around $1,500 per month. If this is a "fixed" mortgage, your monthly payment will not go up over the years the way rent would. The only thing that goes up is the value of your house.
This is in no way a 'fixed' mortgage. Taxes do go up every year, and if you're lucky (or unlucky, depending on year of purchase), Proposition 13 (California) or SOH (In Florida) actually cap tax increases year after year. If you're living in a state, say, Maryland, that regularly assess property every year or other year, then you might as well as be toast.

And then there's the other required payment; Insurance. Unfortunately, Florida homeowners have been beset with huge insurance premium increases, to the point where they feel they are being 'priced' out of living in their own homes. :( The only solution I see is for home prices to decrease, forcing insurance rates to decrease as well. Again, market forces are at play here.

Lastly, if you live in a HOA, then there's an additional fee, and yes, they can go up, socking special assessments to pay for emergency repairs, curing insurance shortfalls, etc. Obviously, it's better to live in a regular neighborhood and not in a condo with the HOA alligator chomping your wallet every month.

BTW, if a person assumed a mortgage of $200K at 5% interest rate, the P&I payment would be $1,073/month. 6%, $1,200/month. 7%, $1,330/month. Tack on taxes/insurance, and the monthly bill could be higher than $1,500/month figure you've given. I know you probably made an educated guess, and $1,500 does sound allright if taxes/insurance were kept to their bare minimum.
Ok, so let's say the value of your house goes up 6% a year (the national average is a little higher). After 30 years, your house will be worth around $560,000.
Despite the recent softening in the residential housing market, this trend does appear to be possible. Due to the high costs in procuring a mortgage and purchasing a home, it is always desirable to view it as a place to live in for a long time, and not as a short-term investment, so 30 years sounds very nice!
If you were to sell your house in 30 years, you will pocket more than $360,000 after paying back the money you owe the bank ($560,000 - $200,000 = $360,000). If you rent, you will pocket $0.00 and only have paid your Landlord's mortgage payments ($540k). Makes sense?
Let's say one pays off the mortgage in 30 years w/ payments of roughly $1,500/month. By the end of 30 years, the homeowner has paid $540,000, and upon selling the home for $560,000, has only garnered a measly profit of $20k. Yes, the interest payments are subsidized to an extent by the govt., so the profit is actually bigger than 20k. And yes, I know the homeowner only paid $200,000 originally, and the 'paper' profit is $360K. So, there's a profit potential of anywhere between $20k to $100k in this scenario.

But, what's even better if this homeowner continues to live in the same home, after paying off the mortgage. That's where the homeowner now realizes the true savings of owning a home to live in, only paying taxes and insurance. This should be the true goal of homeownership, and any profit potential, while very nice, should be secondary. Under this scenario, this homeowner will win easily against renters renting a place for 30+ years.
However, at least in New Jersey, the interest is tax deductible meaning that the government is giving you a tax break, and you can deduct from your taxable income the interest charges you pay to the bank. As a renter, you do not get this kind of tax break!
In California, renters do get this kind of tax break. (I know this, because I took advantage of it!) Granted, this tax break is very small, around $100 dollars or so. :(
Anyway, this is what I've gathered so far. I understand being a homeowner / investing in real estate isn't for everyone, but I wanted to share with you why I think real estate is a good long-term bet. :)
Substitute 'investing' with 'owning', and truer words have never been spoken. This latest housing mania has been fed by investor speculation, and as a result, underlying fundamentals that have promoted home ownership have been swept away. :(

I, for one, will continue to be a renter until the housing market fundamentals have found their way back and return to normal levels. Right now, the financial analysis in purchasing a home do not make sense when rents are factored in the equation.

Strangely enough, in Rochester, NY, where many Deaf people live, many homes are actually quite affordable there. Buying a home in Rochester, NY actually may make better financial sense than renting. (What is the prevailing rate of rents in Rochester, NY, BTW?) Too bad I can't say the same about the metropolitian DC area; That area is simply too expensive, and I don't forsee any relief soon through normal market forces pushing their way into the housing market there.

Alex- Thanks for starting such a debate. I continue to be fascinated by the macroeconomics of housing ownership and that of credit underlying our U.S. economy.
 
I think I disagree with that. Owning a home CAN be more expensive than renting a home because....if there's a MAJOR problem like mold, foundation starting to go....things like that...can cost you tens of thousand of dollars to fix...if you're stupid enough to buy a home without a professional inspector that's licensed, you CAN still run into HUGE problems....even tho that doesn't always solve the problems. Many problems can show up even after they inspected it. If you're renting a apartment or home, you don't really pay much because it's their property not yours. I know lot of people dream of owning their homes....but all you gotta be careful, it's never easy.
 
It may sounded like that, but here is hidden surprise... Since your renting a apartment, suppose like this happened to your place and caused damages to your property. Your pretty much on your own! The landlord's insurance will NOT cover anything that belongs to tenant, even in fires, flood, etc. unless you got Renters insurance (90% of tenant don't have that).
Also, when you move out, you get nothing, while owner moves out sells house and got money back. How can they be more expensive, eh?

I think I disagree with that. Owning a home CAN be more expensive than renting a home because....if there's a MAJOR problem like mold, foundation starting to go....things like that...can cost you tens of thousand of dollars to fix...if you're stupid enough to buy a home without a professional inspector that's licensed, you CAN still run into HUGE problems....even tho that doesn't always solve the problems. Many problems can show up even after they inspected it. If you're renting a apartment or home, you don't really pay much because it's their property not yours. I know lot of people dream of owning their homes....but all you gotta be careful, it's never easy.
 
It may sounded like that, but here is hidden surprise... Since your renting a apartment, suppose like this happened to your place and caused damages to your property. Your pretty much on your own! The landlord's insurance will NOT cover anything that belongs to tenant, even in fires, flood, etc. unless you got Renters insurance (90% of tenant don't have that).
Also, when you move out, you get nothing, while owner moves out sells house and got money back. How can they be more expensive, eh?

actual, most of time we get deposit back, not much. haha.
 
Deposits have nothing to do with insurance! If you screw landlord, they get to keep money. That is all. But if landlord screws ur property unintentionally (Fires, flood, accidents, etc), it is your loss!

actual, most of time we get deposit back, not much. haha.
 
It may sounded like that, but here is hidden surprise... Since your renting a apartment, suppose like this happened to your place and caused damages to your property. Your pretty much on your own! The landlord's insurance will NOT cover anything that belongs to tenant, even in fires, flood, etc. unless you got Renters insurance (90% of tenant don't have that).
Also, when you move out, you get nothing, while owner moves out sells house and got money back. How can they be more expensive, eh?

Thanks, but I already know that.
 
Deposits have nothing to do with insurance! If you screw landlord, they get to keep money. That is all. But if landlord screws ur property unintentionally (Fires, flood, accidents, etc), it is your loss!

why do you yell at me? I live rental apartment for long time. I haven't lose that much. LOL-STFU.
 
Also, when you move out, you get nothing, while owner moves out sells house and got money back. How can they be more expensive, eh?
This is why renting is an attractive option; It allows people to move about freely. What if this person found a job 200 miles away? The homeowner would have to move, and still maintain the mortgage on the home until it sells. The renter just simply moves. ;) Don't underestimate freedom of movement and it can be very nice to have that flexibility.

Granted, many homeowners have found stable jobs and are in good careers to the point they just want to establish 'roots' in the communities they live, and being a homeowner isn't a bad idea, after all!
 
Yea, if u are not settled down yet, buying a house may not be a good idea. My ex wanted us to buy a house when we were living in AZ but I kept saying no cuz I had a feeling that we werent settled down yet even though we were married with a kid. Sure enough, the opportunity for me to attend Gallaudet presented itself and we moved to MD. I am so glad we didnt buy a house at that time cuz it would have been a huge loss!

Now I am all done with school and have a career and my husband too so we are ready to buy a house but prices here are ridiculously high! Maybe next year but definitely in 2 years...we should be making enough money by then. :fingersx:
 
Yea, I now have good job with well known company. So, I don't know how long I will stay, they got several branches across the America. I love my job still, so that makes me harder to want move out of this lousy city. So, I really don't know what future brings. Other reason why I have hard time wanting to move out is because my mortgage interest rate is darn low, lower than today rate! May not see that rate again! And yes it is fixed! :-D

Granted that I may have to sell house, I have looked specifically area that is MARKETABLE! I carefully choose my house where I can sell less than 3 months. That is why buying takes very careful consideration. I wouldn't buy house in area where they take forever to sell the house. If my house happen not to be able to sell, I can always rent it out. There are plenty of options for homeowners anyway. So bottom line, it is very wise to be darn carefully when it comes to buy house. Took me over 2 years of "Shopping" around for nice house.

This is why renting is an attractive option; It allows people to move about freely. What if this person found a job 200 miles away? The homeowner would have to move, and still maintain the mortgage on the home until it sells. The renter just simply moves. ;) Don't underestimate freedom of movement and it can be very nice to have that flexibility.

Granted, many homeowners have found stable jobs and are in good careers to the point they just want to establish 'roots' in the communities they live, and being a homeowner isn't a bad idea, after all!
 
This is why renting is an attractive option; It allows people to move about freely. What if this person found a job 200 miles away? The homeowner would have to move, and still maintain the mortgage on the home until it sells. The renter just simply moves. ;) Don't underestimate freedom of movement and it can be very nice to have that flexibility.

Granted, many homeowners have found stable jobs and are in good careers to the point they just want to establish 'roots' in the communities they live, and being a homeowner isn't a bad idea, after all!

I agree with you on that one. It's great for people who haven't settled yet. They're for many people who move around a lot and try to find the best job they get. I'm not even settled yet so it's not gonna happen to me anytime soon.
 
Well... My very first own a house is at my age of 18, RIGHT after graduated from high school, and had never rent any place in my whole life, even during my childhood.

My first house was only cost $61,500, little cute house, and it goes up to $82,000 so I sold it. I earned $20,500 subracted by government tax, so I earn about $10,500 and I only lived there for 6 months. Then now I own a big land with mobile home on for $105,000 and had been living here since about 8 months. This land is not my FULL owned, it's part of my parent's invest too, we are planning to set up condos/townhouses, and we can make 5 times than we bought the land. I only own 30 percent of the land and my parents own 70 percent so we could earn about $500,000 and the government will take about $50,000 away and left is $450,000. So I will earn 30 percent of that money so it should be about $150,000 I benefit and my parents benefit $300,000.

It don't hurt anyone because we are building cheap condos as $100,000 each as people can afford for their own home and we can have our good benefits.

Investing on the owned property are very awesome, there is many things you can do with it depends on the law restricts or housing markets.

But one thing I would never recommend is this plan:

You buy $120,000 house and improve it raise to $200,000

Why it's bad is because that cause the housing market tighten up, people happened can't afford for houses, and the raise of homeless. Also this improve only for one richy family. Which, in my opinion, is selfish.

That's why alot of people say "Oh that is so wonderful you bought a property!"
 
Mostly true but not always, it depends on area valuation, if most houses around worth 120K then it is not recommended to improve and raise to 200K, but if you happen to find 120K house in area where there is plenty of 200K houses then it is good investment. Usually you can find lowered prices house though HUD and fix it up to equlalize other houses.


But one thing I would never recommend is this plan:

You buy $120,000 house and improve it raise to $200,000

Why it's bad is because that cause the housing market tighten up, people happened can't afford for houses, and the raise of homeless. Also this improve only for one richy family. Which, in my opinion, is selfish.
 
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