Why my wife and I want our children to hear and speak a little.

You are full of it since my whole family who are hearing and dont sign with me at all after all ORAL PROFESSIONAL told my family that I m not allowed to sign with them or else I will failing my orally speaking. THAT is a LIE again.


I m pissed many parents do not have a good bond with those Deaf children all their lives because they do not have a good communication with me or many deafies since we were forced to wear devices and orally speaking.. SCOFFS! That's when we were not gaining our intellectual and social skills until we arrived school.. Jeez! I was wearing HA and use orally speaking since two years old.

NO one cares for many years that is real happens to deaf chlidren if you mind from the old past year up to today..

I love my mom, dad, SEVEN brothers and sisters with all my heart but ORAL professional took away from my family that I could have a very good relationship with them. GOD DAMN HEAR and ORAL speaking only...

Whats more YOU allowed people lies about our deafness that we can hear everything with our devices . I DONT APPRECIATE this at all. SCOFFS!

I am a lost child when I was a kid that I blamed YOU, audism people and CI corporation for being lies all along. It hasnt change the attitude toward deaf people yet.. I aint going for a lollipop from them.

Thank goodness, I have my two hearing daughters in my life and no problem to have a good communication with them all those years. We have a very strong bond and love for each other. MIND YOU!
 
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greema said:
wow, sweetmind! you are SO defensive! trying to say something to you is like talking to a brick wall! :ugh2:
okay, you can continue with your unhappy life -- you are choosing to do so -- i'm sorry you feel like this. and have a good weekend if that is at all possible :whistle:
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She's not at all unhappy. She tells me she's very happy with her life. We talk about a lot of different things and the thing she's most proud of is how her life turned out.

She may be frustrated with her past and with you guys, but she seems quite happy with her life in the present.
 
Sweetmind said:
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YOUR audist attitude tells everybody WE deaf MUST HEAR AND SPEAK ONLY! thats where the problem is still going on and on. You are not making any difference todays. For pete s sake!!!

EXCUSE EXCUSE EXCUSE as usual!!!!
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What about deaf children who WANT to learn to speak? Did you ever think of that?
 
Oral speaking survival kit, I have had mentioned it all along.. It doesnt mean you are having the right to make Deaf children to speak for you and hearing people s sake all day and night that is not two way of street.

Jeez after all that I wrote that seems you are not willing to understand or refused to listen to us Deaf people s true experiences..

NOTHING new from latened deaf and audism people. READ and watch Deaf images who made the video tapes. ;)
 
Sweetmind
YOUR audist attitude tells everybody WE deaf MUST HEAR AND SPEAK ONLY! thats where the problem is still going on and on. You are not making any difference todays. For pete s sake!!!
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You haven't the faintest idea what differences I make.

Remember SM, one finger pointing at me, 4 are pointing back at you.
 
You haven't the faintest idea what differences I make.

Remember SM, one finger pointing at me, 4 are pointing back at you.
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You are giving me impression that we are a DEAF FAILURE so look up your mirror and say it again for me.. thank you! Why are you continuing that the same old behavior patterns hasnt changed toward deaf people todays.

LOOK at yourself and degrade on me and many deafies as a Deaf person with a hands sign..
 
Sweetmind said:
You are giving me impression that we are a DEAF FAILURE so look up your mirror and say it again for me.. thank you! Why are you continuing that the same old behavior patterns hasnt changed toward deaf people todays.

LOOK at yourself and degrade on me and many deafies as a Deaf person with a hands sign..
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"DEAF FAILURE".... your words certainly not mine SM!

The conclusions you continually jump to are simply incomprehensible.
 
She tells me she's very happy with her life.
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She only think so.. if she was really happy she would have more relaxing attitude. Instead she attacks anynone who so much as peep "oral" with such viciousness.. geez!

Fuzzy
 
:dance2: Greema, don't worry bout her... I told your son that you rocks


thank you, boult!
 
gnulinuxman said:
She's not at all unhappy. She tells me she's very happy with her life. We talk about a lot of different things and the thing she's most proud of is how her life turned out.

She may be frustrated with her past and with you guys, but she seems quite happy with her life in the present.
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Really? Why is it then that just about every single post she writes even outside of this forum is extremely bitter? Why is it that she blames us "audists" and the CI corp for her being a "lost child?" We weren't even born in the 1950s or 1960s when she grew up. She is simply personifying all her bad experiences and assigning the blame to others, rather than to the actual people who forced her to talk or whatever.

I think she needs to stop blaming everyone and everything for her woes and to take responsibility for solving her own problems by getting some therapy. We can't do it for her 50 years later by becoming the sort of Deaf people she wants us to be. She needs to learn how to view things from another person's shoes instead of being such a deaf fundamentalist.
 
So anyway, back to the original topic...

Fragmenter, I think it's awesome that you and your wife are ignoring the cries of those who find your decision controversial and doing what you think is best for your children. I'm not a parent, but I have an incredible amount of respect for those who are because it must be an incredibly difficult job. I have a hard enough time making decisions for myself that I can't imagine being responsible for making decisions for someone else. :applause: for you!
 
they would educate their students to speak instead of using their hands. I bet the students would require the professors to hand out the copies of the outlines in order to avoid any misunderstanding...

Methinks that it would be better for them to attend to other universities to have better GPA. What in the world would they enroll at the oralism university for?
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Nah, even oral deaf kids have difficulty with GPA issues....it's only the Super Deaf type who can REALLY acheive.
neecy, GOOD POINT! There are children out there who, when introduced to a varity of approaches, prefer to use speech. We adults SHOULD NOT influence their communication preferences, but rather support them by offering a VARIETY of choices!
 
Every time I read Sweetmind's posts, it just reinforces our decision on the signing/oralism method. Thanks, Sweetmind! ;)

To everyone else (you know who you are, including the newcomer, Ayala920), we really appreciate your open-minded suggestions, insights, comments and support.

I will be honest, I registered here being prepared for the worst but this place has been a pleasant surprise! Now I wish every deaf people we know are as pleasant to be around as you all!

You all rock, too!
 
OK, Boult, thanks for the info, but here's what I have a problem with in your post:
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So in the end, he has the right to choose communication method for his childrens! not you! so how about backing off on him? let him be.
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When did I ever say I had the right to tell him what to do with his kids? The odd thing here is that you guys seem to think you disagree with me more than you really do. Try re-reading my posts and maybe you'll see what I mean.

And there are a FEW authoritarian (whose motto is "Do as I say because I said so!") type parents who still do pure-oral. I will admit they're pretty low in number these days, but they still exist. (I've met some of them.)
 
deafdyke said:
neecy, GOOD POINT! There are children out there who, when introduced to a varity of approaches, prefer to use speech.
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Exactly.

Our 3 year old daughter who slightly has better hearing than my wife, just cannot shut up. She loves to sing various songs out loud and we are now trying to teach her that it is not polite to interrupt people who are talking. Believe it or not, our kids talks to each other verbally half of the time its scary. Our son would correct her on some signs and our daughter would corect his speech. Already at 3 and 5 years old, they rely on their speech and sign language to express themselves.

Would you be cruel so to take sounds away from them? That is the question.
 
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Really? Why is it then that just about every single post she writes even outside of this forum is extremely bitter? Why is it that she blames us "audists" and the CI corp for her being a "lost child?" We weren't even born in the 1950s or 1960s when she grew up. She is simply personifying all her bad experiences and assigning the blame to others, rather than to the actual people who forced her to talk or whatever.

I think she needs to stop blaming everyone and everything for her woes and to take responsibility for solving her own problems by getting some therapy. We can't do it for her 50 years later by becoming the sort of Deaf people she wants us to be. She needs to learn how to view things from another person's shoes instead of being such a deaf fundamentalist.
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You'd need to talk to her one-on-one to understand her, I guess. :roll:

I talk to her almost daily. She really is a nice person at heart. She does NOT hate oral speech itself, she does NOT hate hearing people, she does NOT hate people with cochlear implants, and she does NOT hate late-deafened people. It may come off to you like that, but I don't really see her posts as being that offensive. (Some I'm not sure about, but in general, no.)
 
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