White privilege

souggy said:
Watch Deep Blue Sea. The black chef was the only one to survive. :rofl:

Or Jurassic Park.... although in Jurassic Park, the black guy didn't make it to the end.

Well, at least in Snakes on a Plane, the black guy was a hero!

Same for Dawn of the Dead remake.
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Those films were made after people became more aware of their unconscious behavior.:giggle:

But seriously, we can find exceptions to anything. Those exceptions don't negate the rule, though.
 
When I was a little kid, my family worked in a tourist restaurant off a main highway. Late one evening we were treated to a bit of history. I will never forget the Freedom Riders. It was the very first time that I saw black people coming into the front door, wearing bright colors, speaking in a normal tone of voice... it was so beautiful.
 
Reba said:
Personally, I'm always more comfortable around people who are non-violent and well-spoken, regardless of color. The black people that I associate with also prefer the company of non-violent, well-spoken people, regardless of color. They don't want to hang in the hood with gangsta-types. Calling that "acting white" is very disrespectful, as though black people can't behave properly without mimicking white people.
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That's my point, though, Reba. Tons of people do associate being non-violent and well-spoken with acting white. It's not a rule I came up with or an association I made. I'm just pointing out an association that is already there and that factors into how relationships play out all the time. "Well-spoken and non-violent" black people are constantly seen as culturally "white." I fully recognize that the very fact the association between being non-violent and well-spoken and being white is present is racist. But I've witnessed it before. For example in a group of white kids with one black kid who "acts" so "white" that the other white kids forget in their minds that the person is black. They said things they wouldn't usually say in front of a black person because literally in that moment they are seeing their black friend as white just on the basis of that very stereotype.
 
LDNanna said:
When I was a little kid, my family worked in a tourist restaurant off a main highway. Late one evening we were treated to a bit of history. I will never forget the Freedom Riders. It was the very first time that I saw black people coming into the front door, wearing bright colors, speaking in a normal tone of voice... it was so beautiful.
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What a wonderful memory to have. I'm certain it has had an impact on your life's perspective.
 
CJB said:
That's my point, though, Reba. Tons of people do associate being non-violent and well-spoken with acting white. It's not a rule I came up with or an association I made. I'm just pointing out an association that is already there and that factors into how relationships play out all the time.
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It is an incorrect association. That is the whole point. And correcting that misperception is the reason we need to discuss it rationally.
 
jillio said:
It is an incorrect association. That is the whole point. And correcting that misperception is the reason we need to discuss it rationally.
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Of course. Just like the association between being Asian and a math nerd or Hispanic and a drug dealer. Those associations are absurd but to call them out isn't being disrespectful to the races. It's the active calling out on those stereotypes that helps stop the disrespectful behavior of making those associations.
 
CJB said:
Of course. Just like the association between being Asian and a math nerd or Hispanic and a drug dealer. Those associations are absurd but to call them out isn't being disrespectful to the races. It's the active calling out on those stereotypes that helps stop the disrespectful behavior of making those associations.
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Oh, I agree. Calling them out is not disrespectful, and they need to be called out. It is a matter of context and intent the way the phrase is used. Yours wasn't necessarily a disrespectful use. However, it was used a couple of times in the thread in a disrespectful manner.
 
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jillio said:
Those films were made after people became more aware of their unconscious behavior.:giggle:

But seriously, we can find exceptions to anything. Those exceptions don't negate the rule, though.
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More like the black actors had a strong say in their roles due to the fame behind their names.
 
souggy said:
More like the black actors had a strong say in their roles due to the fame behind their names.
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Were they the only ones? I doubt it. I'm sure unknown black actors and supporters had their say as well.

Marlee Matlin isn't the only one who is the spokesperson for deaf actors though she's the best known one to the hearing.
 
Also, let's keep in mind that even in the white population, white men who aren't well groomed will be likely to be looked down and less likely to get help than white men who are well groomed.

First impression is everything, regardless of race.

But what cannot be denied is that if you have a groomed black and a groomed white, the white will likely be favored, even by blacks in their treatments.
 
netrox said:
Also, let's keep in mind that even in the white population, white men who aren't well groomed will be likely to be looked down and less likely to get help than white men who are well groomed.

First impression is everything, regardless of race.

But what cannot be denied is that if you have a groomed black and a groomed white, the white will likely be favored, even by blacks in their treatments.
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That is pretty much it in a nutshell.
 
netrox said:
Also, let's keep in mind that even in the white population, white men who aren't well groomed will be likely to be looked down and less likely to get help than white men who are well groomed.

First impression is everything, regardless of race.

But what cannot be denied is that if you have a groomed black and a groomed white, the white will likely be favored, even by blacks in their treatments.
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If those well groomed blacks notice this, i'm sure they're annoyed by this. Just like I'm annoyed when some deaf will listen to hearing rather than to other deaf and I've been on the receiving end of this and I've been guilty of doing this to other deaf as well.
 
CJB said:
That's my point, though, Reba. Tons of people do associate being non-violent and well-spoken with acting white. It's not a rule I came up with or an association I made. I'm just pointing out an association that is already there and that factors into how relationships play out all the time. "Well-spoken and non-violent" black people are constantly seen as culturally "white." I fully recognize that the very fact the association between being non-violent and well-spoken and being white is present is racist. But I've witnessed it before. For example in a group of white kids with one black kid who "acts" so "white" that the other white kids forget in their minds that the person is black. They said things they wouldn't usually say in front of a black person because literally in that moment they are seeing their black friend as white just on the basis of that very stereotype.
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You are right..even black people do it themselves. My hubby's family calls him the "white" one in their family because he doesnt act black. If black people are doing it, then the full blame shouldnt be on white people only for this behavior. It makes me uncomfortable when they make these kinds of comments.
 
I must admit this is where I really appreciate my blindness as I do have a hard time differentiating colours. I am not able to differentiate red, pink, orange as they look the same to me. The same goes as green and blue.

The concept is similar to people, I look at them all as humans and wish the same was applied to other people that discriminates against others.
 
One of my first actual < not the first time I was affected, because racism affects generations before one is born> memories involving racism/white privilege relates to involvement my mom had with education. My mom got heavily involved with my schooling especially because I was in Ex. Ed for speech and language <I spoke much later than my peers; LD undiagnosed>. My mom was/is active in civil rights, community involvement and public education and she was on many educational/ PTA committees and boards, published newsletters, etc. I remember as kid of say, 8 or 9, sitting with her as we looked at potential textbooks when she was on textbook committees. She would get these piles of books and she look them over and send in comments. We were supposed to find similar amounts of pic's or illustrations of white people and of African-Americans, Asian-Americans, etc., in the texts, and see that photos of different people showed them doing a variety of things. Also make sure that not all the photos of girls/women had them in stereotypical roles, such as handling children or cooking <only>. We also looked to see if there were depictions of men doing traditionally "feminine" tasks such as cleaning, and if there was scenes of people being active using wheelchairs, etc. For me that was a very powerful experience.
 
CJB said:
That's my point, though, Reba. Tons of people do associate being non-violent and well-spoken with acting white. It's not a rule I came up with or an association I made. I'm just pointing out an association that is already there and that factors into how relationships play out all the time. "Well-spoken and non-violent" black people are constantly seen as culturally "white." I fully recognize that the very fact the association between being non-violent and well-spoken and being white is present is racist. But I've witnessed it before. For example in a group of white kids with one black kid who "acts" so "white" that the other white kids forget in their minds that the person is black. They said things they wouldn't usually say in front of a black person because literally in that moment they are seeing their black friend as white just on the basis of that very stereotype.
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Oh, CJB, I'm sorry if I seemed to imply that you made the stereotype. That's not what I meant. My beef wasn't with you but with the stereotype itself.

People who believe and perpetuate racial stereotypes are the problem. That goes for both sides of each stereotype.
 
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